BioWare Doesn’t Want Us Calling Next ME Game Mass Effect 4

BioWare doesn’t want us to call the next entry in the Mass Effect series Mass Effect 4, because that implies a continuation of Commander Shepard’s story.

Community manager Chris Priestly wrote on the official forums:

“To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here.

“We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying ‘well, they’ll have to pick a canon ending’. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda.”

BioWare Montreal boss Yanick Roy chimed in, suggesting that the game may still take place after the events of ME3:

“Thinking of the next Mass Effect game as Mass Effect 4 would imply a certain linearity, a straight evolution of the gameplay and story of the first three games. That doesn’t mean that events of the first three games and the choices you made won’t get recognized, but they likely won’t be what this new story will focus on.

“If you had three games centered around a group of key soldiers in the US army during World War I and then decided to make a game about another group of people during the Second World War, the games could have many points in common and feel true to one another.

“You likely would have to recognize how the events of the first war influenced the ones of the second, but you would not necessarily think of it as a sequel. Again, the analogy is not great, but what I’m trying to say is that the ME universe is so rich that we are not limited to a single track when coming up with a new story.”

Roy did assure fans that the next Mass Effect game would feature the same alien races, technology, lore, and history that make up the ME universe, and went on to say that we shouldn’t expect any concrete information on this title for “several more months.”

Are you willing to give BioWare a shot at redemption with Mass Effect 4? [sic]

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37 Comments on BioWare Doesn’t Want Us Calling Next ME Game Mass Effect 4

Wesker1984

On February 7, 2013 at 12:27 pm

No big news to me. It was exactly what i was thinking after finishing Mass Effect 3 with the extended cuts endings.

The first Mass Effect trilogy was GW1(Galactic Wars 1) and the second trilogy will be GW2 with new characters, new ships, new threats and new goals but set some time later in the same universe. The sequel trilogy will not start with Shepard 2, Garrus 2 or a Normandy SR-3.

I hope EA/Bioware will repair their past mistakes with ME3 so we can start being positive again with the Mass Effect franchise.

So please dont say some BEEP like Mass Effect is dead to me before the release of this new entry because maybe all of you will be the ones who love it and maybe i will be the one who will hate it. Who knows?

Roy Batty

On February 7, 2013 at 12:30 pm

They have a shot at redemption…admit the Foxtrot Uniform of ME3 and say they won’t do it again then maybe.

Until then I shall obey their wishes I will call it MassDefect 1.

“Before we let you leave, your commander must cross that field, present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse.” ~William Wallace [BraveHeart]

P.S Did Ray also promise that the next ending would have new colors?

SevenCell

On February 7, 2013 at 12:43 pm

First point of contention: “It doesn’t have to take place after. Or before. Or off to the side.”
…Yes, yes it does. Because it’s a Mass Effect game.
Second point: Going by the Extended Cut endings, god-awful as they are, one primary colour lands you with a robotic Shepard overlord for the rest of time, and another adds a sparkly layer over everyone’s hitbox. I don’t want either of those in another game. Ever.
Oh, yeah, and good luck if you shot the Star Brat. I’d actually be pretty interested to see how they “recognise” that one. Come to think of it, that might be the “canon” ending, freeing the dev team to create a completely new universe.
If it’s a prequel, more power to the producers. Otherwise, good luck to them.

sapito

On February 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm

Are you willing to give BioWare a shot at redemption with Mass Effect 4?

NO! and still calling it ME4 >:(

Kazoo

On February 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm

If (and I say, *IF*) the next ME title takes place after the end of ME3, then, unless they are very careful, they have to pick a canon ending or play stupid games.

If everyone is a blend of organics and technology, it’s either Synthesis or the races all went that way anyhow.

If there are still reapers, they weren’t all destroyed, implying a Control ending to ME3.

If there are no reapers, either Destroy was used, we’re between cycles and don’t know about them, or Control was used and they’ve left.

Regardless… people will surmise the canon ending based on the universe as a whole.

R-man

On February 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm

Well, this is definitely one thing that they’ve said since the catastrophic ending (in my opinion and most others) that I completely agree with….. Don’t call the damn thing Mass Effect 4, cuz it’s not. The real Mass Effect carries a certain pride with it, mostly because of the characters and Shepard… They definitely should not create another ME trilogy right off the bat… if they ever regain the ability to do so again at all… I don’t feel that they have the right kind of mindset at this moment, so soon after the Shepard Trilogy, to create another Mass Effect game worthy of Mass Effect 4 title. So, yes, it should obviously be related to Mass Effect, and it can even have Mass Effect in the name, but it will never be a Mass Effect 4 to me, and I’m glad they seem to agree.

Axetwin

On February 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm

Im calling it now. The new trilogy retells the original trilogy only from a different perspective.

Lee

On February 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm

This is quite pobably there last chance at redemption. For me personally it should take place after the trilogy. The story should be like this. Sheperd survives and becomes a member of the council and ten years later as he is seeing his or her son or daughter become a specter then a sniper shoots Sheperd dead. No surprise that your first assingment as a Spectre is to find who did this and why.

Sachel

On February 7, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Well of course it’s not going to be ME4.

It’s a prequel called Mass Effect: Contact and it’s all about the first contact war.

R.J.

On February 7, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Until they actually give this thing a title, I don’t know what they expect anyone to call it. Saying, “the next ME game” is a bit ridiculous, so until then ME4 suffices as a title in the interim.

Of course, I also find it incredibly humorous that Priestly speaks of doing the next game a disservice by using a fill-in title, when I would suggest that Bioware has done a far greater disservice to the series.

GazH

On February 7, 2013 at 2:21 pm

I’m not really interested in any future Mass Effect games, the same as I’m not interested in any of the DLC that’s come out since ME3 was released. The Mass Effect universe is dead to me, I’ve been there, done that, found an awful ending, now I really don’t want to see anything further.

For ME4, or whatever they want to call it, to catch my attention, it would have to be something pretty spectacular. For now, I’m completely dead to any interest in Mass Effect, the ending just killed any interest.

timfads

On February 7, 2013 at 2:27 pm

They slammed that reset button at the end of three on purpose and now are just admitting it more or less. The mass effect we all know is dead and a new breed is coming out lead by a very suspect (or flat out crap) set of leads. They still have good people in the fold, but lost more and I dont trust the current leads now with making something great remain good. No way I trust them to make something good out of nothing. ME is dead to me.

monotoy

On February 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm

“Are you willing to give BioWare a shot at redemption with Mass Effect 4? [sic]”

no.
I gave them a shot at redemption already, all I got was multiplayer DLC about which I couldn’t care less and which I didn’t buy. which is a shame, I’d like to replay ME due to the current lack of games that interest me, but … I replayed ME3 once, because I couldn’t believe what just ing happened at the end. I replayed ME1+2 maybe 6+ times. maybe i’ll buy ME4, who can tell? but today, I would not.

James

On February 7, 2013 at 4:09 pm

Pretty sure unless it is an alternate timeline/universe (which it can’t be if its an Mass Effect game.. e.g. Mass Effect Universe) it has to be either before, during, or after….

Well at least it can be all 3, but cannot be none.

Leon

On February 7, 2013 at 4:35 pm

Maybe they are going to finally be frank about it and just call it Ass Effect

gildesh

On February 7, 2013 at 4:36 pm

What’s all this whining? Yes, Mass Effect 3 ending was bad, yes, they communicated it really poorly, but I feel like you’re behaving like this is the greatest tragedy of this century. Seriously, move on!

I see myself az a Mass Effect fan, and I was really invested to the story, characters and the universe, too and I was really pissed off about the ending of the third game. But what I see at this site that everytime there is some new information about the future of Mass Effect, there’s this non-stop “hurr-durr” about ME3. Everything about the fail of the series has been told, it’s time to step forward! Mass Effect is not dead by necessity, I think it could be done well. I believe it could be a lot more productive if the fanbase started thinking about new concepts and ideas about how to make the franchise live on, not just giving voices to their infinite scepticism. The Mass Effect franchise still has a lot of potential, and I say it’s far from stabbed to death, not even by the aweful ending.

Underlaw

On February 7, 2013 at 4:38 pm

For the numbers of comment, u can see, that players are not dumb, are not easy to forget. AND ITS RIGHT!
Bioware make a huge mistake, and are no longer a good game company.

Aedelric

On February 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm

Obviously they do not want us calling it Mass Effect 4, that name will come with serious negative connotations due to how badly Mass Effect 3 was received.

Like Dragon Age 3 is not just going to be called that, because Dragon Age 2 was very badly received. Instead it will be subtitled Inquisition to try and mimic the original which also had a subtitle, in the pathetic attempt to try and show they they will do things differently this time.

They could call it The Adventures of Commander Amazing and his Plucky Bunch of Alien Sex Toys. A name is just a name, it will still be Mass Effect and will still have many people looking at it with a cynical eye before purchase.

Personally I am passing, loved the franchise, even bought the books and DLC, but ME3 killed it for me.

CJ Miozzi

On February 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

“They could call it The Adventures of Commander Amazing and his Plucky Bunch of Alien Sex Toys.”

Aedelric wins.

gildesh

On February 7, 2013 at 6:03 pm

@Underlaw:

And then what? You are going to tell “It won’t be good, it won’t be good” all over and over again? Bioware’s prestige has been lowered drastically, but I don’t see how does that forces the (ex)fans to complain all the time.
I don’t look forward the new Mass Effect game with the same enthusiasm,, but I don’t lament about how the ending broke my heart. All I think right now is “Well, I don’t really care, but, we’ll see”. Yes, it can be a bad game if they do like the ME3 ending, but even Mass Effect 3 wasn’t a bad game at all, if you don’t consider the ending. In my opinion, the greatest problem is just the timing. If they had made this kind of mistake at any other time during the story, it wouldn’t have been this scale of controversy. It is massively wrong timing, at that really f*cks up most of the things, but it isn’t a cathastrophy.

But, as I wrote, everything has been told about it. The entire topic has been discussed to the very core. It1s time to get over it, because everything you’re doing now is just grumbling. Everyone has the right to do it, but doing it too much can be really contraproductive.

S

On February 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm

I, too, have to register my confusion to the statement that the next game in the Mass Effect Universe does not have to take place before, after, or along side the events of Commander Shepard. So, what…alternate timelines or something?

My guess is we’re going to wherever the Reapers came from, but it’s going to still have to be within the timeline somewhere, right?

doonerbandit

On February 7, 2013 at 6:25 pm

For me personally this sounds kind of ominous. My greatest fear is they, as in EA, will try to turn Mass Effect into a linear fps with a heavy focus on MP to compete with Halo and the fact that the line “no, because the game does not have to come after” is used first then the other options come up almost like an after thought adds to my fear it will be a prequel. Look this is all speculation and I WANT to be optimistic but to quote John C Mcginley from Platoon “I got a bad feeling about this one”.

Dwigt

On February 7, 2013 at 6:30 pm

The biggest issue with creating another story is that most of the groundwork was done by Drew Karpyshyn, who created the lore and the universe and who left in the middle of ME2 to focus on writing books. Director Casey Hudson never got the same kind of overarching vision, and the guy who took Karpyshyn’s succession, Mac Walters, doesn’t seem to command the same kind of authority.

That’s my take on it, and that’s why I think that ME3 was great at giving some closure with the topics raised in ME1 and ME2, and so poor at suggesting something bigger at stake. Most of the original writing team was still present for ME3 and they delivered on many accounts, because the plans had been laid early and they knew the characters and the topics quite well.

But the new elements in ME3 were just derivative and a waste of talent. Kai Leng was simply awful, and, talking squad members, James was a bore, and Javik remained underdeveloped due to being relegated to DLC.
The whole London mission was a long tunnel that just sent wave of enemies after wave of enemies (which was something they started to do in The Arrival DLC) with the best thing being the intermission, a simply great moment.
And the ending was poor because it consisted of generic sci-fi elements shoehorned into Mass Effect without much care. I’m not a huge sci-fi freak but I coincidentally watched Star Trek:TOS, BSG and ST:TNG after playing ME2. ME and ME2 borrowed a huge lot of stuff from these, and from other sources, but they got something a little different in the end. The ending of ME3 only borrowed and didn’t bring anything new or fresh to the table.

WhackJob

On February 7, 2013 at 7:42 pm

I don’t really care what they end up calling it now. I would like to point out that several weeks ago on BioWare’s own forums BioWare started a topic named “What would you like to see in Mass Effect 4?” or something to that effect. It definitely said “Mass Effect 4″ in the title.

I am inclined to give them a “mulligan” on ME3; everybody messes up once in a while. I am interested in the next Mass Effect title (whatever they call it), but I definitely won’t pre-order it and I will look at reviews from sites and publications I trust to see if the game returns to its RPG roots, has interesting characters, and is basically worth playing. If it doesn’t sound like something I would be interested in, I will pass. Otherwise, I will probably give it shot.

I’m not worried about the ending on the new title; they will wait until the third game to screw that up :) .

Kevin

On February 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm

Aedelric nailed it. The dumbest name in history (Plansecape: Torment) ended up being one of the greatest games in history. A name is just a name. I think it’s pretty obvious that Bioware won’t learn from their mistakes however.

Unless I see some tangible evidence they’ve done that, they lost me as a customer.

David

On February 7, 2013 at 8:56 pm

Seems a bit odd to avoid calling the new game ME4. I mean, what else can you call it? It’s the fourth game in the ME universe: until it has something resembling a working title that’s what we’re stuck with. And only Bioware can give us the working title!

If we didn’t know that The Hobbit was The Hobbit, we’d call it the LOTR prequel or LOTR Zero or something of that sort.

jlkawaii

On February 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm

First, if the universe is the same; the change can only be temporal.
So,
A prequel ? Without me, i already know the END (and the fruitless of my effort)
A side-in ? huuu ? Seriously ? at the *end*, nothing change from my first statement…
After ? like said before, which end will be CANON ? I laugh as the only one viable is the one where player shoot the kid, as we don’t see the following, it’s *possible* that something stall the reapers (and why not, put them again in the hole ;) ). Yep, as the 3 others canon CHANGE DEFINITELY the universe ^^;;

My thought ? Bioware will make a prequel, monetary viable, classic story in MassEffect universe viable without too much problem…

BUT.
If they wanted to do something really shocking, in the good sense, it a direct sequel (couple/10 years later) with other protagonist where the story say (in vrac) that something was done in London, no one know really what, Shepard disappear/died/wakawaka/martyr with a great part of the galaxy forces but at the end the reapers disappears/backed offf… -> in the overall arch story : what happened in London ? The galactic Ambiance is one of “free” planet, where cupidity and ambition give death t times… etc…

i know, it’s dreaming…

PS: i’m french, so i’m sorry if i’m not really clear.. !S

goose2989

On February 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm

Of course I’m willing to give them a second chance; I’m going to be skeptical as Hell, and won’t preorder the game, or buy it on release day. Sadly, though, I am still so vested in the Mass Effect series that I still am curious what will come next.

While RPG features would make me personally happy, and many others, about the next title, I think BioWare can make the next game shooter-heavy (as I assume EA intends it to be) as long as the story, plot, and characters are inline with the traditional ideals of Mass Effect. As often as some people complain about the lack of RPG elements in the series once EA got their grimy fingers all over it, I don’t think that they were what people really loved about the games; it was the science fiction setting, with interesting, diverse characters. It was the chance to interact with these people; actually, not just interact, but have deep, meaningful conversations. The chance to learn about Tali, Garrus, Liara, and everyone else. The gameplay had nothing to do with these personal elements.

As long as BioWare manages to retain this part of Mass Effect in a game that will likely be a third-person shooter, I can still see it being successful, and I could still see myself buying it. After I read a Gamefront review, of course.

Ebalosus

On February 8, 2013 at 4:53 am

“Thinking of the next Mass Effect game as Mass Effect 4 would imply a certain linearity, a straight evolution of the gameplay and story of the first three games. That doesn’t mean that events of the first three games and the choices you made won’t get recognized, but they likely won’t be what this new story will focus on.”

I EFFing called it back in December of last year: http://www.facebook.com/RetakeMassEffect3InitiativeLog/posts/444058675648470

I said that if they made a sequel, then no matter what ending you chose, they would just handwave it away into the backstory of the next game. Everyone will become unsythesised, the shepard controlled reapers will leave, and the Geth and VI’s (not to mention the Mass Relays) will be repaired and/or returned; and everything will be fine and dandy.

Amber

On February 8, 2013 at 5:25 am

They shouldn’t have announced it as ‘Mass Effect 4′ months ago if they didn’t want us to think of it as ‘Mass Effect 4′. As soon as they did that, whatever minute amount of doubt that still existed in the minds of most fans that the series had completely betrayed or at least seriously diluted each and every core aspect of the series – RPG/choice-based gameplay, reasonably-priced DLC, character consistency and story continuity, and finally the very fact that it had been marketed as a trilogy in which the outcome of the war would be massively different for each player depending on their decisions throughout the series – was inexorably removed. The only people still willing to give BioWare the benefit of the doubt on this are nothing more than apologists and/or fanboys who will suck their teat no matter how much they and EA abuse the industry and its consumers.

Mass Effect is done, it is finished. That’s all there is to it.

Tommy B Rude

On February 8, 2013 at 6:50 am

I’m sorry and I know it’s gonna sound butthurt as all hell, but I’m not interested in anything Bioware makes anymore. If it was just ME3, I’d be willing to give them another shot. But between that and Dragon Age 2, I simply can’t trust Bioware to consistently deliver the goods. They can write a hell of a first chapter, but if you can’t follow up on it then there’s no point in caring.

pooleboy87

On February 8, 2013 at 8:33 am

I can’t count how many times I played the original Mass Effect. Enough to get all of the achieves, and dabble with all of the characters. I played the hell out of Mass Effect 2. I played ME3 once. I haven’t played any of them, or bought any DLC since. That ending ruined the entire series, which is sad to me. It’s not even what happened in the ending…I could get past a 5 minute ending for 90 hours of enjoyment if that was the case…it’s how they handled it.

So no. No, I’m not prepared to give BioWare a shot at redemption. I’m not willing to give any EA owned company ANYTHING, at the moment.

Maay

On February 8, 2013 at 9:01 am

I’ll give them redemption over the mess they created with ME3 if (when) they change the ending of ME3.
But I won’t blame them for all the other gems they’ve created before, what was good remains good. And up until about 10 minutes before ME3 ended, it all remains very good.
What bothers me is that I just don’t have the heart to play again a story with en ending I despise. But I still believe that ME3 can be corrected, just redo the last 10 minutes of the game. How hard can that be ?? I can’t believe that managers could skip such obvious decision. Is is a matter of ego ? Can’t help if this is the case.
Is it a matter of money ? Or, shall i say, how many more ME4 are going to sell if they redo a proper ending for ME3 ? Weight the cost of redoing an ending for ME3 to reach I’m sure far better sales for ME4 (whether it is a sequel with the same team or not, won’t make a difference in my opinion) ?

As for another game in the ME universe ? why not. I’ll look into it. But I’ll probably wait before buying until someone has played it to the end and told me, without spoilers, that we’ve got another gem all the way through. Got scalded once, won’t happen again. Will I give them redemption ? most definitely, once they swallow their pride and correct their mistakes.

Sireneyed

On February 8, 2013 at 10:04 am

BioWare, to date, has not once apologised for lying to and upsetting a huge chunk of its consumer base with the blatant false advertising for Mass Effect 3 specifically regarding its ending. It hasn’t even acknowledged that the fans were upset, instead choosing to twist the Extended Cut as some some of donation to a ‘confused’ fanbase. Several lower-level members of the team have since tried to communicate with the fans in a more reasoned and less abrasive and conceited fashion, but it’s too little too late. Until we get an official apology for the furore, with BioWare admitting to its ‘mistake’ (and I’m being generous calling it that, it was simple deception) and NOT warping it with a load of PR nonsense, I won’t be spending a penny on any further BioWare products. They should apologise for From Ashes, while they’re at it – withholding the most plot-integral, lore-intensive crew member from the main product and selling it for 800MSP on day one is utterly deable.

I won’t hold my breath on either of these things happening, though. As long as they still have a majority of ‘fans’ bending over and begging to be screwed again and again while crying their IGN-endorsed insults at anyone with an opinion that’s less than completely laudatory towards BioWare and everything it touches, we’ll never see it improve itself because it has no financial incentive to.

Mass Effect 4 is what it is, so that’s what we’re calling it.

Greenmantle

On February 10, 2013 at 3:30 am

For me Mass Effect died with ME2. Universal ammo, reloading guns, heavy focus on cover based combat, dumbed down skills, replacing the Mako with planet farming, addition of pointless characters and plot points, plot holes. It just turned into a Gears of War mod with RPG elements. I haven’t even touched the 3rd one, let alone look forward to a 4th. Bioware is dead to me.

Fletch

On February 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm

Multispecies character creation?