Breast Physics: A Growing Social Problem?

Sex sells, we all know that.

Since the greed generation of the 80′s it’s been the simplest way to get attention. Just produce a product with scantily clad men or women on it or in it and people will flock to your corner right? Well, in a market where every character is sexy or cool the sex obsessed fanboys in the game development biz figured out a simple method to take objectification to the next level using a discipline of emergent mathematics called Breast Physics. Unlike the legitimate field of biomechanics as described in this article I am limiting this discussion to the video game implementation of modeling female breasts.

doa4-2.jpg However, Breast Physics (unlike say fluid dynamics or quantum mechanics) is not yet a recognized field of scientific research. Evolving with the video game genre from its earliest days in Custer’s Revenge for the 2600 up through Leisure Suit Larry and the Dead or Alive titles (especially DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball ), this field of study “floated” to the top of the video game simulation industry (thanks to the huge number of game designers who simply never got out of the office enough to interact with real women).

There are quite a few examples today of games built and sold completely around this unique simulation field and the latest game to show off advances in breast physics simulation - Dead or Alive 4 bounced onto the Xbox 360 in full color, high definition glory, or the numerous scantily clad elves running around in games like World of Warcraft – which is what brought this subject to mind.

boobs_taki.jpgThere are many questions about this field of study but simply put the unified theory of breast physics states that if you have a female video game character with large.. shall we say assets.. the breasts will have the most expressively modeled motion prediction and bizare fluid motion of all the parts of the human form – including hair or facial features.

Breast physics infiltrates every known genre of games – sports games, fighting games, RPGs, and even simulations . The biggest concern though (as someone who enjoys eye candy as much as the next man) is: Does this unrealistic portrayal of human anatomy set unrealistic expectations for young male gamers when they actually encounter the real thing?

Honestly, think of all the boys out there who’ve learned through their video games that women’s anatomy comes with independent suspension! Real women don’t strut around in skimpy clothes while their chests jiggle like strapped on Jell-O for everyone to observe. More importantly, how can any real female ever hope to live up to the fantastic behavior of these modeled mammaries?

world-of-warcraft-elf-blue-3701253.jpgGaming is still a fairly young hobby. An entertainment form that faces assault from all sides in the media circus. While I personally find the continuously exaggerated proportions of modern video game vixens laughable, it seems that consumers as a whole continue to encourage such behavior.

The trend is bigger breasts, not healthy women with proportionate fat to muscle ratios. Yet there is still some hope. Eidos’s Queen of the Tomb, Lara Croft recently underwent a sizable breast reduction for her newest game, but it seems Lara is an exception. The girls of DOA continue to wiggle and jiggle in outfits no real woman could hope would swaddle their bosom while throwing a roundhouse.

In order for this industry to overcome the scrutiny of gaming for its two biggest attractions – Violence and Sexuality (both key aspects to adolescent wish fulfillment I might add), gamers need to stand up and demand more real portrayals of women in gaming!!

The growing ranks of GRRL gamers out there (well most of them anyway) want interesting stories, social dynamics and good action and so should the guys! It’s too bad game developers keep delivering breast physics as an answer. Maybe after addressing this we can approach the unrealistic body image that games presents to young boys and how it is driving them into fits of depression.

We must demand less buoyant representations!

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67 Comments on Breast Physics: A Growing Social Problem?

Daniel

On July 27, 2007 at 2:29 pm

Tits or GTFO

Lead-Fish

On July 27, 2007 at 3:08 pm

I agree with your views about breast phisics, they are too “up front”… although i disagree with your statement “Maybe after addressing this we can approach the unrealistic body image that Master Chief presents to young boys and how it is driving them into fits of depression.” because it’s basically the backbone of the storyline, Halo runs on the “supersoldier”/ spartan theme… Boys takin at an early age and turned to extraordinary soldiers… if his structure were changed you would have to change the books, and the games both (spind a bit of green)

Gunheart

On July 27, 2007 at 3:13 pm

…ITS A VIDEO GAME! NOT REAL! THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH BREAST PHYSICS!!!!!

HuggieSunrise

On July 27, 2007 at 3:42 pm

Oh.. bravo.

What is the logic behind this issue? What is the logic behind even writing this? Where you bored?

My points.

Breast physics? I think is name calling a simple observation in to one use of a larger and much more expansive field of simulation in four dimensions. Modeling a humanoid body is not easy without a template to work off of and to call breast physics an intensive focus of study is sensationalizing for the sake of this tired little document.

The second paragraph is a groaner. I disagree to a made up term being compared to two other overused terms (because of little understanding of both Fluid Dynamics (engineering) Quantum mechanics (A theory based on an idea on how the universe works.)

And breast dynamics which is a made up term coined on, of all places G4 T.V.

I refuse to submit the idea of “realistic” depictions of anything should be stapled or pressured into any game where a creative vision NO MATTER how prostituted for a market or a gender to buy should be demanded at all.

Perhaps the problem is in how honest we are being to ourselves.

For example…

Porn doesn’t lie to you, it is what is, the idea of pornography is not a new one and doesn’t lie.

Where now we have a game rating system that is laughably inadequate to enforce a demographic of any type to submit to what concepts or ideas cant be disseminated to an individual if they really want it.

The idea of what is permissible or isn’t is the root of ANY social problem that exists. What does the idea of a male or females individual body image have to do with what they see when the decision about who or what they are lies solely with them?

Does it concern anyone that the true simulated physics of blood, spatter, gore, and mutilation has been long perfected in gaming BEFORE the naked body in games?

How many people who’ve played games or in a “market” for polygonal flesh have been to the national museum of art? Seen the classics that you don’t see in high school books that is loaded with the human body in every possible exaggeration possible?

Leave the fetish that your covering (and its growing popularity) alone and concentrate on true perils of our society, our artificial squeamishness and our overinflated blood lust.

Breast Expert

On July 27, 2007 at 3:49 pm

Well, I don’t know where you live, but here women DO run around in skimpy clothes and have most of their breasts falling out of their shirts. As to “gamers need to stand up and demand more real portrayals of women in gaming!!”, well, yeah I want more real portrayals of women….how about one where the women wait on men, fold clothes, do laundry and cook supper! That would be great! Just so you know, I 100% believe in women being independent…as long as they are back home in time for supper. Have a great day! P.S. This post requires humor and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the poster. ;)

Real Man

On July 27, 2007 at 3:51 pm

Shawn wrote this? Must be the same Shawn who wrote an article to impress a girl who won’t give him a second glance.

Snuffy

On July 27, 2007 at 3:54 pm

:arrow: :shock: :twisted: I’m waiting for “Vagina- panties physics” too enlarge this problem :roll: :cry: :lol:

Joelteon7

On July 27, 2007 at 4:20 pm

I actually agree with Shawn. He says laughable though whilst I simply say ‘ridiculous’. Not to mention the fact that developer’s probably don’t realise that it might put girls off buying the game with such ludicrous images slated all over it.

It is a shame though that sex sells, however, my general interpration of that is that if that’s what they need to sell it, I don’t think it’s worth investing in. The exception being Lara Croft, which I’m looking forward to picking up on the Wii.

William

On July 27, 2007 at 5:25 pm

To be honest, I agree with most of the article. I do think that the unrealistic women in games is starting to get a little old. Society should be past this stage by now. There are many terrible games out there selling due to the cover images and not the quality of the game. There’s nothing wrong with having beautiful women in games, but I think we need to be a little more realistic about things.

Kathleen

On July 27, 2007 at 5:29 pm

Look. Just because some guys live where sluts walk around all day with the chest out does NOT mean half the women actually dress like that. That’s absolute SH*t… I’m so sick and tired of seeing stuff like that in games. Boys are too busy listening to the only brain most of them have, and it’s in their darn Penis. If Guys would just realize some girls don’t look that way. Go ahead. Say well you won’t get any guy then. My boyfriend oes not eve3n own one of those games. I got him one for christmas. He opened it with his brother. didn’t even know I was ther e. Told his brother to go break it and throw it away. he wasn’t playing that crap and wasn’t sure why I bought it. I bought to prove that not all guys are slime and think that FAKE people in games are okay. it’s disgusting and degrading to not only girls but women.

Peter

On July 27, 2007 at 6:00 pm

Did you guys think about the people that masturbate while playing games? No! You think they’ll be able to fap faster when the women in games have realistically flat chests? WELL?

But seriously, its a video game, the violence just as the sex is unrealistic, guys know the difference but it’s also nice to have some fantasies. Way too uptight

Joelteon7

On July 27, 2007 at 6:37 pm

There’s being way too uptight and then there is being ridiculous. Games such as Leisure Suit Larry are clearly aiming for the market of, “yeah, we know it’s sex, so we’ll put in as much as possible to play up to fantasies” but other games that include it only to draw people in and don’t even make a game of it…well, that’s shameless, in two ways. Once for the developers and secondly for the people who buy it (of course, redemption if the game is fairly decent).

Fact is, we clearly don’t need games with women/girls who have…stupid sizes. The last game I saw to do that made fun of the fact (Resident Evil 4, Luis talks about the “bazooka’s”). It’s not needed and it’s pretty disgraceful. If this were to go, I think gaming would be looked at in a better light.

In short, I still couldn’t agree more with the article.

A man's opinion

On July 27, 2007 at 8:32 pm

Well, personally I love games that have great graphics. But when I say great graphics, I don’t mean only lots of effects and stuff, but also nicely modeled characters. That’s precisely why I never bought any dead or alive games. The girl’s so called “breasts physics” is so unrealistic that it turns the game into something ugly. I do think that sexy/pretty characters on video games help selling them, but it doesn’t have to be vulgar.

William

On July 27, 2007 at 11:43 pm

Kathleen, I agree with you. Games need to have a bit of fantasy to them, but there are so many ways they can make games cool without being degrading to women. I realize this article was a bit of a joke in some ways, but there are some serious issues involved. My primary concern with the way women are presented in games have to do with the kids who get their hands on them. They will grow up thinking it’s ok to treat women as object. Guys, go ahead and say what you want about my comment, but I do seriously think that the game industry need to take a long look at a tradition that may not be good in the end. Sure..big breasts are fine.. small ones are fine too in my book. I could care less about the half naked chicks they throw into games. I want to play games that are fun and have replay value. In most cases, when developers concentrate on the unrealistic women, the game itself ends up being terrible.

B4r4

On July 28, 2007 at 10:05 am

(.)(.) or GTFO

Opinioned

On July 28, 2007 at 4:22 pm

I’m generally quite sick of people blaming society’s problems on video games. This is not what this article is saying, a welcome change, but still. I’m a guy gamer, I want interesting stories and good action. I have DOA4, and the eye candy, whatever you want to call it, is laughable. Sex sells, it’s a fact. In the US and abroad, in movies 95% time when the female lead has a nude scene, we see everything but the breasts or the nipples. I’m not complaining, I’m pointing out that its hypocrisy, and at best worse than whatever games do. In the movies its real people; in video games it’s a collection of pixels and polygons.

People say that because kids play video games with shooting they get violent: This is true to a point. In my opinion, kids around and under 10 years, with some exceptions, naturally, are impressionable, and shouldn’t be exposed to harmful material. But when someone’s for example 16, they’ll probably know that shooting people in games may be OK, but it’s not in the real world, and that women shouldn’t be treated like objects.

Gaming is still young and barely mainstream, and that’s why it’s getting so much attention. Every time there’s a murder, robbery or anything like that, if there’s a video game nearby, even if it’s Viva Piñata or something, immediately we get a wave of bad PR and people talking about how video games are corrupting our young. If a murderer has in his closet a Resident Evil game and every horror-murderer movie in existence, guess which gets the blame.

People who buy games for sexual content, no matter what degree, can do that: it’s their own account. I’ve been playing video games for most of my life, violent and nonviolent, mostly the first kind. I’ve played several games with well-endowed female characters. Women who know me agree to me being a very sensitive guy. Breasts aren’t the right way to sell a video game, but just because we have DOA or GTA doesn’t mean that every video game is like that.

I’m not being pretty concise here, so I’ll try and summarize: If video games try and sell by having big, bouncy boobs, then let them. Video gaming isn’t a source of society’s problems any more than anything else. Video gaming is just the scapegoat. Video games that have this kind of material get the appropriate or exaggerated rating, and if someone under that rating plays it, it’s not the game’s fault.

And that last quip about Chief… I’m a halo fan, through-and-through. I know several other halo fans, internet and in real life. None of us are depressed because we aren’t [i][b]genetically enhanced[/i][/b] super soldiers. As I said, when it comes to kids’ problems and video games, things get exaggerated every damn time. And anyone who is depressed because he isn’t as physically fit the Chief probably goes under the game’s age rating by several years. If they don’t they need professional help

Oy

On July 29, 2007 at 7:00 pm

:roll:

These games are made because they sell. They sell because they’re what people want to buy. Do you propose that all extremely high performance cars be removed from all games, on the grounds that men obsessed with cars will be unsatisfied with their econobox? Do you propose that we should discourage conceptualizing anything unachievable on the grounds that it’s demoralizing? I’m sure you don’t, because it’s absurd. If a guy is unsatisfied with real women because he wants someone who’s got the figure of a video game character, news flash–he’s a anyway, ladies, the game didn’t make him that way. If a girl feels the need to meet outlandish specifications set forth by a video game character designer, she’s unstable anyway. What are you going to do, start complaining that people who are naturally 5’10″ are abusing the 5’1″ person by existing?

Games ARE fantasy, regardless of genre. No one fantasizes about meeting a completely generic, uninspiring woman, and women have pined after “tall, dark, and handsome” for ages. It’s not a male thing, it’s not a game thing. It’s reality. Welcome to it. It’s going to be a long, cold stay if you can’t learn that people want more than what’s real.

Shawn Sines

On July 29, 2007 at 7:13 pm

I am enjoying a lot of this discussion.. let me clarify some things by posting the original title of this piece, the News Manager at Filefront didn;t want to offend so we shortened it and I think it has had an effect on how the piece has been recieved:

“Breast Physics: Growing social Problem.. or Just Plain Fun to Watch?”

Thanks everyone for the interesting dialog on the piece. I’m glad it promotes these sorts of reactions as that was the entire reason it was written.

William

On July 29, 2007 at 7:50 pm

yeah.. he keeps me from offending people all the time lol

Xboxlenny

On July 30, 2007 at 1:07 am

For all the people that get off on this, there is real ladies on the internet in real adult videos. So dont bother this nonsence.

i never have cared over a video games charactors apearance, its a game, comon, some large breasts in pixelated women arent gonna make me stand to attention.

Opinioned

On July 30, 2007 at 4:10 am

Using sexualized imagery to sell a video game is not a social problem. It’s a marketing strategy. Just as much as Ron Moss is a social problem for being unrealistic in Bold and the Beautiful. Let’s talk about how that offends men, when women start expecting people to be like Ron Moss or Ridge. That’s not my opinion, but I’m sure there’s one somewhere.

In the end breast physics have the same position as hair physics for example. The only thing is we have companies like Team Ninja who take it to a… different level.

I agree with Oy: It’s much more fun to meet overly attractive women than it is to meet normal or ugly ladies. Some companies just take it too far. Some companies, however, don’t take it quite anywhere. Anyone looking for equality and ugly ladies can check out Oblivion, and be satisfied.

Dmitri Chouchkov

On July 30, 2007 at 5:49 pm

I bought Soul Calibur II and played it entirely as Link, does that mean I’m ? Seriously though, I really don’t care about how the game depicts men/women/elves as long as the game is fun and engaging. However, I still thing that the processor cycles that are used to model breast metaballs (I think they use those for more jiggly breasts) could be better used for rain and water effects.

To Kathleen : It really is a shame to break a video game, I for one would have given it a chance first to see if it was any fun. It is a bit of an insult to the gift giver to break their present, but so is returning it to them or trying to pawn it off. Then again it is unfair to the recipient to knowingly put them in that position in the first place.

Matt

On July 30, 2007 at 7:04 pm

Opinioned says:

“Using sexualized imagery to sell a video game is not a social problem. It’s a marketing strategy.”

A drug dealer has a marketing strategy too, but I think we can all agree that giving illegal drugs to a 16 year old for free as a marketing strategy, so he’ll come back for more, and pay, isn’t right, but according to the logic of “its a marketing strategy,” maybe its ok, because its not the drug dealer’s fault if the kid goes back to buy more.

However, it is a problem. Just because something can be used as a strategy to sell something doesn’t make it right. I’m not sure who was first to falsely advertise a product, but it was a marketing strategy, and I bet you’d be outraged if Mcdonald’s decided to say if you eat 10 big macs a day, you’ll lose weight.

Marketing strategy.

I think there is a need for this, because it will come a time when the adult video game industry takes off, and with the Wii, I think its very close (it doesn’t take much to imagine what kinds of adult games could be made with it). However, there’s a place for this, and I don’t think its in most games. There are problems with this; moral problems, if nothing else. Most women in video games should NOT have…large assets :P

Nathaniel Musgrove

On July 30, 2007 at 9:02 pm

I agree with the article 100%. I was actually rambling about this earlier today. In a recent trailer for a Dead or Alive game (I’d never actually seen, only heard about DoA) that I saw just how stupid it was. Had you a girl that was standing still, if she shifted her weight, they’re suddenly flying EVERYWHERE! Where the HELL is any reality? It’s not even that good of a fantasy! (I’ll refrain from elaborating on mine.) Sadly, even some of the children-friendly games are falling to the dark side. Case in point, Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Until now the Smash series had been the ultimate family-and-friends party game. But suddenly they’ve thrown in Zero Suit Samus as a sex symbol (don’t bother denying it). Luckily, she’s actually in correct (hell, it’s *reasonable*!) proportions, but still… (Note that I absolutely love Brawl, and think it will kick hind quarters.)

Anyway, that’s my ramble. Those of you that require games like DoA because of mammifera physics are, frankly, idiots. Primarily because you cannot find *any* other way to satisfy your sexual craving. Imagination was created for a reason, so go ahead and use that. You don’t need an image, much less a freaking video game, to suppress fantasies. You can instead find a real girlfriend that does happen to have extraordinarily awesome features. And if you can’t get one, then who fails at life this time? Video games are not ‘the poor man’s life’. There’s a whole hell of a lot more. Go find some and take a chunk of it.

And that was my post-ramble. Congratulations if you’ve read the entire thing.

sureright

On July 31, 2007 at 12:56 am

I have had three kids– and nursed them to boot. My boobs have a lot more movement than when I was young. I challenge any breast physics proponent to motion grab my gals in motion.

In short, any idiot would know the young fresh boobs, the ones guys want, _don’t_ move.

Opinioned

On July 31, 2007 at 4:09 am

Matt, I don’t mean it’s a justification. I agree that it’s a waste of time and processing power. I’m just indifferent on the matter. A drug dealer sells heroin to someone they shoot up and die of OD. Or become socially incapable junkies. If someone goes home and spends an hour or two playing DOA or Soul Calibur because he likes the tits, I don’t see the social problem here.

Matt

On July 31, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Opinioned, I don’t mean to compare the sale of illegal drugs to the sale of games like DOA, but I was simply saying that not all strategies to market a product are good.

Also, it really isn’t a social problem that they do this. Sex sells, and a company has a single goal, to make a profit. The social problem is that it works.

Major_Tweak

On August 1, 2007 at 2:51 am

Video games are made for entertainment. For some a escape into alternate world, or just an enticement for their imagination. Sure some video games are created for realism, some are not. some of the games out on the market may have unrealistic portrayal of the female body, or maybe not. take a look at TV, ladies and gentlemen. our entire entertainment spectrum is saturated in this same way. Is it all that unrealistic? breast implants are ridiculously popular in the fashion world . even if you don’t see the similarities, does it matter? not all video games aim for realism, its just a game. a facet where anything is possible and since many men like breasts, wouldn’t it come natural for a game designer to over express it. not to mention the fact it helps sell games (sex sells, always has, always will). if you don’t like watching pornography, don’t buy a porn tape, buy a comedy movie or something. if you dot like giant bouncing lady lumps in your video games, play tetris. :razz:

Opinioned

On August 2, 2007 at 4:00 am

Sad, but true, Major_Tweak.

I’m on the whole very sympathetic to women’s issues and I’m for equality. But the woman’s position in society has developed over thousands of years, and it’s not gonna change for real in a few decades, and especially when its most prominent supporters are radical, outspoken women who exaggerate the issue, despite its gravity.

But let’s face it: video games do nothing to hamper the position of women. Every time a game featuring voluptious women comes out, we get a wave of dismay and accusations of “having no morals”, “corrupting society”, “setting unrealistic standards” and so forth. Considering how men who play these games are also exposed to real women on a daily basis, I doubt anyone who is healthy in the head to begin with will start expecting similiar figures to come walking around every corner.

Similiarly, when Gears of War came out, did anyone raise an issue about presenting unrealistic standards of men to women? Women who assume that men become jerks because they play video games are dead wrong. There are a multitude of reasons for the ‘jerkening’, but video games aren’t one of them. Once again, video games are being used as a scapegoat

Siffles

On October 21, 2007 at 12:26 am

Sex sells simple as that!!

Dao

On October 21, 2007 at 3:33 am

Breast physics, shmest physics….

Listen, this is plain idiocy in my humble opinion… I totally agree with the people that buy games for the FUN OF PLAYING not the fun of WATCHING HUGE BAZOOKAS BOUNCING ROUND THE DAMN SCREEN…. It is a waste of the developers time. I mean, they put a lot of attention to the modeling of the correct breast movements, while they could be cleaning the game from bugs, optimizing performance, adding new phun features… and by “features” I don’t mean “putting Jell-0 into the boobs of all female characters in game in SUCH measures, they can theoretically straggle a man”.
As it was said too many times here, sex sells, and sells great. You have half a gazillion teens only looking to find a glimpse of exposed flesh in a game or a cartoon or pretty much ANYWHERE! Then there is the fact that, even though the stage of world-wide sexual revolution is well passed, the process continues…

To get a little farther away from boobs, take a short look at how the female part of our world is portrayed in all sorts of Fantasy RPGs and MMORPG’s… Particularly look at their “armor”. Don’t you ever wonder how an iron bra and some sort of a plate-mail skirt can protect a gal from a sword, axe or any damn weapon? And thats “female armor”. Again, sex sells.

Another example. The GTA series. And no, im not going to talk about how they put in the sex scenes in San Andreas… The Hot Coffee mod is barely scratching the surface. Take a look at women in the game… I mean regular pedestrian women. There are 3 templates of a woman pedestrian in GTA:

1)UGLY as a damn MUTANT
2)WHORE
3)’Business lady’

And while the 3′rd variant is the most un-offensive variant – I have to ask… WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE NORMAL WOMEN? Just, plain normal… I refuse to believe that the women in a whole friggin state are limited to being prostitutes, social workers and uglies… Is this really how it is in America? I refuse to believe.

Oblivion? Different story, same meaning. All the women are equally unattractive, sometimes plain scary. What’s wrong? Is it a side effect of the Oblivion gates opened?

Alright, now some people might say: “In your first part of the post you criticize the developers for making to sexy females in game and then you say that you dont like plain and ugly ones… make ur mind up!” Well, my critic friends, there is only one answer to this problem.

Developers must keep all things to a limit. Limit the ugliness, put in a bit of nice looking ladies… not monsters with 2 gigantic melons larger then their heads… Measuring things in absolutes is wrong. There is no absolute beauty standard to which all can relate.

So that said, this breast thing is completely wrong, immoral to women and overall sexist. Here, I had my say, now you can shower me with criticism :)

weclock

On October 21, 2007 at 4:41 am

I’d like to see more realistic representations of Gamer girls.

You know, the nerdy, a little bit, but still cute, kind of girls, in video games.

weclock

On October 21, 2007 at 4:41 am

a little big, excuse me.

havoc of smeg

On October 21, 2007 at 6:34 am

ok. no ones said it outright so i will.
I DONT BUY GAMES TO EYE UP WOMANS TITS.

now, yes i have bought several tomb raider. but i dont spend all the time im playing it checking out lara.
although that said, i would be lying if i said that i hadnt looked at her in that way.
but thats ok to me, i am a man after all.
but it is pretty sad that a lot of men do nothing but eye up computer game heroines.
and breast physics is pathetic.

tatewaki

On November 1, 2007 at 8:57 pm

Is it really this deep, ladies and gentlemen?

Team Ninja makes Kasumi’s boobies move and sway independently. Is this the coming of the apocalypse?

Some guy buys DOAXV. Aside from wondering why he isn’t playing DOAXV2, does this mean society is going to hell in a handbasket?

Gamer girl, cute (but a little big) and nerdy, is miffed because her Blood Elf warlock (as well as her Succubus minion) has a better figure than she does. Does she scream “UNREALISTIC” and start a crusade to get out-of shape women (the Gamer Grrl Campaign for Real Beauty, perhaps) in games?

Seriously, people. There are better problems to address. Self esteem, so Nina’s rack doesn’t offend the female using her while busting out the 10-string. A non-judgemental mentality, so other gamers don’t write diatribes dissing the poor guy playing Rumble Roses (while they’re simultaneously downloading Kim Kardashian’s sex tape). And, finally, a little understanding: Understanding the fact that there are a lot of us adult gamers out there, and we should be able to enjoy whatever we choose to, so long as we’re not breaking any laws or hurting anyone. So, tell you what: I’m gonna stop writing, check my porn downloads, call my GF, and figure out why my Night Elf hunter has a better physique than I do (OMG UNREALISTIC).

mommydear

On November 8, 2007 at 9:33 pm

kathleen it sound like your telling fib to me, yes it is very possible that a situation like that could happen . but its just to well ” convenient”. you sound very angry in your post, but if you trully have a guy like that then you have no reason to be angry. are you saying that yourm ad at the fact that guys who like those games exsist? angery that there are guys/girls who like bad things or things that you consider to be bad? thats a very childish attitude and i dont think you have a right to tell people what is bad and what not to like. i will end with an old saying “if you obesess to much on things that upsett you , you will die of your own agony.” (this was all said in a very calm tone , im not here to start fights and my life is far to busy to respond to any comments.

theshark

On November 8, 2007 at 9:55 pm

hey have yu seen heavenly sword ? that woman has a tiny body and no curves at all. she looks way to thin. raiden also looks to thin (mgs2) his face looks like an airbrushed teen magazine model. there are alot of people men and women who are turned on buy unrealistic bodys bodys that are too thin (like some models) skin that is too perfect, (being totally hairless and toned yet thin) breasts that are to large to fit the body, waist that is to thin to support said breasts. yep people like some odd things. however if you look at alot of video game women now a days their bodys look like they would work in real life, yes they have bib breasts, but they also have big hips. take ivy for example her new breasts are huge but so are her hips and her waist. as for the physics games are not yet perfect , helleven hair physics dont look perfect yet (yes even monsters inc was great but not 100 percent perfect)

JenK

On December 5, 2007 at 6:10 pm

I’m with Sureright – all that jiggling is QUITE real in an older gal whose boobs are saggy. Not in the teenage girls who can’t hold up a pencil yet.

You want realism? How about a game where the women with the big boobs have to deal with ACTUAL PHYSICS in using a sword or bow. There’s a REASON real martial artists wear sports bras to hold their boobs in OUT OF THE WAY!

Rex Lowry

On February 5, 2008 at 1:04 am

:roll: First things first.
I am a female. I am a feminist. I also have an interest in sex and sexual behaviors. I have spent time looking into it.
I have no problem with sex in games or sex in the media. I am more than happy for there to be perfect jiggly breasts abound.
I am straight and I would rather see an attractive pair of breasts in video games and on TV than the average woman. If I have to look at something which I believe is partially an art as much as anything, I want it to be aesthetically pleasing. People in the arts have been painting and drawing the ideal breasts for years. Why should that change simply because of a change in medium?

I understand that guys need their fantasies. It’s part of their nature. Men have always fantasized and they always will about nicer breasts than the ones they have access to.

I have of course generalized. There is a minority of men and boys who are obviously not able to separate fantasy and reality.
But most guys are able to realize, that no matter how fantastic digital breasts may look, gropeable real ones ALWAYS win. And if they don’t see that and would rather sit and play with their digital lovelies, they probably wouldn’t get/don’t deserve a real woman anyway and are certainly not the kind of males I want anywhere near my gene pool.

Love Rex

Tifa Strife

On February 8, 2008 at 10:55 am

i agree that in video games they have boobies that no woman has like the doa women, final fantasy women, and well known Lara Croft aka Tomb Raider but its just a game nothing more than that so are you going to ask that you make them extemly ugly too because in reality no one in real life is as goog looking as video game characters :razz:

matt

On March 27, 2008 at 10:20 pm

breasts kick major ing ass, but only if they’re REAL…as in NOT ANIMATED.

just me

On April 21, 2008 at 1:10 am

LOL!!!
Obviously they all have implants, because when they lie on their backs, their tits point to the sky just like that!

Also, too much time spent on the tits, not so much on the booty.

stitch

On May 5, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Breast physics may be very exagerated sometimes, but the fact reamins, any straight male likes them to some level ( admit it), maybe we should say those kind of games and developers could care less about any female opinion, in others words DOA.

Misterprickly

On July 5, 2008 at 9:38 am

If you want realistic… GO OUTSIDE! That’s “real” 24/7. :roll:

When it comes to BOOB-PHYSICS; my only complaint is when there all set the same! :mad:

there’s nothing worse than a set of B’s flopping around like there G’s :roll:
OR a set of J’s that have as much spring as a set of A’s :oops:

I find it really sad that we as a people will allow insane amounts of violence but BOOBAGE is where we draw the line?!

I would rather see my nephew thumbing through a copy of Juggs than Guns n Ammo.

GRRRRRRRRRLgamer

On July 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm

“…gamers need to stand up and demand more real portrayals of women in gaming!!”

No, I don’t want to play a video game with female characters that are 30 lbs overweight, flat chested and gigantically assed.

I find the bouncing boobies much more entertaining.

Liz

On July 24, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Wow, I find almost all of these comments extremely depressing. How is everyone missing the point? It’s not about men being dissatisfied with the real women they meet (…I’m really kind of shocked at the male-centeredness of such a concern–poor men will no longer be satisfied!) or that women will feel they have to live up to impossible ideals (they do,) but just the very fact that all of this OBJECTIFIES WOMEN. As in, it turns women into dehumanized objects SOLELY for the pleasure of men. I don’t care if there are ripped up dudes in video games–hey, you need muscles if you’re going to fight, and muscles imply strength and capability. The ridiculous proportions of women’s breasts in video games, however, do the exact opposite: they’re completely superfluous, they detract from any other assets she might have as a character, and put the focus SOLELY on her body, because unless the video game is about breast feeding, her exaggerated breasts, unlike a man’s muscles, have no use here except to be ogled.

Honestly, reading these comments depressed me. It’s not that it’s “getting old,” that it’s “unrealistic” or that I’m prudish because I can’t take a little nudity. It’s INSULTING. It’s insulting to me as a human being of the female sex. You can claim it won’t affect how men and women think, but how could it not? If you’re staring at certain images for however many hours of your life, of course they are going to affect you in some way; the fact that you are unaware that they may affect you can make the effect all the stronger. The saddest part is that the portrayal must also in some capacity reflect already existing attitudes, not just promote them. I think the proof for that assertion comes in some of the comments here.

Not to go on a long harangue about it, but Opinionated’s comments particularly disturbed me.

“I’m on the whole very sympathetic to women’s issues and I’m for equality. But the woman’s position in society has developed over thousands of years, and it’s not gonna change for real in a few decades…”

What do you think life was like in 1950 for a woman? Men can brush these issues off easily because they don’t feel the privilege they have because they were born with it. As a woman, I still feel like I am disadvantaged in many respects, but it’s the work of the generation before mine that changed this informal law from a formal one. Only a few decades ago, newspapers printed wanted ads in separate male and female sections, women couldn’t live independent, respectable lives without men; women were simply seen as _lower_.

Thousands of years? Are you aware that the low status of women largely came as a result of the Industrial Revolution, and that the relative status of women has varied greatly over these thousands of years? Don’t let the goodie homemaker/male breadwinner post-WWII stereotype fool you.

I’m trying not to get too steamed up about this, but I’m just shocked at the attitudes I find in this thread. Maybe the complacency comes from thinking women _are_ actually equal in society these days. Today, in 2008, women still only make 75¢ for every dollar a man makes. These are real issues.

I get upset at these remarks because it encourages a lack of respect for women, and the idea that women exist for the pleasure of men. Not to get frighteningly statistical on you all, but I always remember vividly that battering is the single largest cause of physical injury to women and that rape is really frighteningly rampant. Portraying women in this way, not as the exception but as the rule, in media (and I’m not just blaming video games) enforces the general opinion that these behaviors are ultimately options (or even acceptable).

I’m not saying make characters ugly, I’m just saying this is a real issue that deserves real consideration, not something for idle jokes and heterosexual posturing. As stitch says, it also shows a complete disregard for women’s interests in advertising and video game development. It’s a male industry directed at men, and it makes women invisible.

m

On November 13, 2008 at 2:40 pm

dude, of course girls don’t look like this in real life. real life is boring, why do you think games get made in the first place?

think anyone’s gonna buy Real Life Simulator 2009 (now with taxes!)? doubt it.

also there are plenty of “unrealistic” (sexy, buff, skilled, intelligent and generally interesting) dudes in video games. hear many dudes complaining? nope. hear women crying for more fat, ugly, nerdy, sweaty, awkward and socially incompetent dudes in video games? nope. why? because no one wants to look at ugly people.

got a real kick out of the last paragraph. It’s a Male Industry directed at Men! oh noes! it will never change unless you do something about it. no game company cares about you, or women in general. you don’t buy enough games to matter. if you start buying games, you validate the current dynamic. therefore your only real option is to get some capital and start your own gaming companies. this has been done, there are several gaming companies owned by women already. as expected, the games usually end up being pretentious graphics-enhanced books designed to showcase how artsy, profound and emotionally complex the creators are, and bring a whole new level of boring to the gaming world. thanks!

by the way, normative judgments are irrelevant when it comes to video games. there is only one thing that matters, and that is profit. morality and artistic integrity are distant also-rans, if they are considered at all. any argument about whether this is the way it “should” be is masturbation. nothing “should” be any way or another. everything just is; nothing has meaning. except money. and boobs.

Jordan

On November 15, 2008 at 11:03 pm

The sad thing is, Major_Tweak, that we can no longer buy a decent comedy without getting a little porn.
Over half the movies out there have some nudity in them, and I am not just talking about female.
We see male butts ALL the time, and breasts too! (That really grinds me when we see breasts, simply because I am a female who gets uncomfortable with nudity in general, and very jealous when the boyfriend sees ^^; )
The media has distasteful depiction of nudity. Personally, I would like to see less…
though I am kind of trailing from the point of this article.

jimmy

On July 1, 2009 at 1:59 pm

World of Warcraft has no breast physics. Just breasts.

kaite

On August 5, 2009 at 6:49 pm

nothing but a bunch of fat girls and little-ed, spineless, two-faced nice guys trying way too hard pretending to care about feminism. there are real, all-natural girls with way less “realistic” (of course, in the context of nerds talking about girls, “realistic” really means “just ugly enough to wheedle into a drunken pity-”) proportions than any girl imagined by a programmer or designer, and they’re not nearly as rare, as cognitively deficient, or as hateful as embittered nerds who wasted their lives on the internet because they really believed that having fifty level 80 wow characters would someday allow them to have their revenge on the successful, attractive, interesting people (read: teh evil jerks and their girlfriends), would have you believe.

btw all girls secretly want to be objectified, it’s science

Roland

On August 16, 2009 at 3:09 pm

It called make believe, they’re fake, it’s slightly titillating entertainment meant to garner a smirk here and a smile there…

And similar events happen in a mall or club every day. A girl with a healthy bust and fit physic gets noticed, just the way it is. Yes other other aspects of a person’s character like a great personality is just as or more important in the long run…but a good personality doesn’t turn heads at first glance now does it ;)

I’m just saying…it’s been put in movies and games and ALL kind of marketing for a reason. It gets attention (rightly so imo) and it’s a bit of fun.

Best make your peace with it because basic anatomy isn’t changing any time soon ;)

Roland

On August 16, 2009 at 3:22 pm

And I’d just like to add, that a man (or men) can appreciate and enjoy “all” that goes with a females anatomy AND STILL think of them as a person!!!

Some would have everyone believe that just because you see an attractive female and you let your appreciation show it’s sexist or objectifying.

News flash to all the women/girls reading this…you have more power in a simple smile & polite hello than most of you will ever realize!

Some what to be recognized and treated as a woman but all hell breaks loose of there ever a hint of acknowledging any attractive features.

Well guess what ladies, it’s your sex that make you a woman and thus different. Differences provokes interest and biology provides the rest lol

To put it plainly, just because a guy sees and acknowledges that a woman /female has different parts that catches his eye…doesn’t mean we don’t or can’t see the forest for the trees so to speak ;)

We see the whole package, some parts just stand out a bit more than others at first glance!

It’s a matter of perspective I guess, but I’d suggest enjoying it instead of trying to fight it…you do realize you catch more flies with honey instead of vinegar right???

Regards and Respect to females and their forms everywhere!

Roland

On August 16, 2009 at 3:25 pm

(sorry for all the typos…was typing too fast lol)

Subject must of got me a bit flustered ;)

Anon Amos

On October 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm

How about a game with guys with gigantic balls that flop & jiggle while they fight? Oh, you don’t like it, you think it’s ridiculous? Don’t worry, there will be ball size & buoyancy adjustment options.

Anon Amos

On October 24, 2009 at 12:27 pm

And somewhat contradictory statements here. To paraphrase:
1) “images don’t have any real effect”
2) “sex sells”
If the thousands of images we are exposed to (both voluntarily & involuntarily) on a daily basis had no effect, then there would be no multi-billion dollar advertising industry.

brandon9271

On December 14, 2009 at 4:46 pm

Let me preface my boob argument with another topic first.. Video games are filled with violence and fantasy settings and when a kid carries a gun to school and shoots people what do we gamers say? Any SANE person can tell the difference between reality and fantasy. If they can’t then obviously they have deep rooted problems that videos game only played a very MINOR role in. The GTA series seems to take a lot of blame for this but think about how many copies have been sold over the entire series.. What, a billion copies maybe? If it were such a problem then you would have MUCH MORE acts of violence then the few isolated incidents. Now apply that example to big breasted video game characters. Don’t you think gamers know better than to think women look like that in real life?! Just the same way they know that real women don’t have pointy ears and cast spells while riding dragons or carry automatic weapons and respawn after being blown to pieces with a bazooka. Seriously, this article insults the intelligence of all gamers.

brandon9271

On December 14, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Here’s the main problem in the article..”Honestly, think of all the boys out there who’ve learned through their video games that women’s anatomy comes with independent suspension!” You’re not supposed to learn about female anatomy from Video games!!!! If a kid only experiences life through the “window” of his computer screen than video games are the least of his worries! I’ve had a computer or games console of some sort most of my life (I’m 30 years old). I can assure you that when I was growing up at every possible moment I was trying to learn about female anatomy first hand!! ;) Staring at the girls as they jogged in Gym class, checking out cheerleaders, trading nudie mags with friends and if I was lucky, getting “hands on” experience. :p It may be a problem for those withdrawn, socially isolated boys that play WOW 24 hours a day.. but again, video games aren’t the REAL problem in their lives…

David

On January 27, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Jesus stop ing… People like breasts, get over it.

John

On June 22, 2010 at 11:37 pm

So you want to get rid of bouncing breasts. REALLY WANT TO. Ok.

Lets also remove all of the beautiful people in magazines so that depressed woman don’t feel ugly. Lets remove all of the beautiful and handsome actors so that people don’t set unreal expectations. Lets start celebrating people making 30,000 a year rather than people making 100k+ a year. I could go on and on.

Seriously. You guys. You girls. The ones that worry about this. You worry too much!

Want to do something useful? Put people in school. Prepare our young people for the work force. But worrying about bouncing breasts is like worrying about secularism in movies. It’s sooooooooooo last century.

John

On June 22, 2010 at 11:40 pm

“Here’s the main problem in the article..”Honestly, think of all the boys out there who’ve learned through their video games that women’s anatomy comes with independent suspension!” You’re not supposed to learn about female anatomy from Video games!!!! If a kid only experiences life through the “window” of his computer screen than video games are the least of his worries! I’ve had a computer or games console of some sort most of my life (I’m 30 years old). I can assure you that when I was growing up at every possible moment I was trying to learn about female anatomy first hand!! ;) Staring at the girls as they jogged in Gym class, checking out cheerleaders, trading nudie mags with friends and if I was lucky, getting “hands on” experience. :p It may be a problem for those withdrawn, socially isolated boys that play WOW 24 hours a day.. but again, video games aren’t the REAL problem in their lives!”

This.

John

On June 23, 2010 at 12:09 am

Where’re the normal woman??? Lol. Do you even pay attention?

A while back I was in a forum and they were reviewing some preliminary human models on a test server. The overall consensus was that they somehow didn’t look right. People had a million different reasons for it too. It was so silly. I took an image of the female and brought it up into a paint program. I immediately could see what was wrong. Some of her features were masculine! I took them and made them feminine. Simple as that. Problem was gone. She no longer looked like a ghost. She no longer looked sad or depressed. I assume the same goes for the guy. He wasn’t manly enough. He was too effeminate.

Odd thing is, I think the two human models I saw were probably the most normal (representations of reality) models I had ever seen in that community. Most normal men and woman have a mix of features. They’re not perfect. And most gamers know this. I know it. But we all like to forget reality a bit when we play games. We play them to be in another world. It’s separate of this one.

Btw, has anyone else noticed how manly men are in games? They all seem to be tall, dark and handsome. Perfect features. They have deep voices. They act strongly and boldly, things I don’t do. They’re incredibly intelligent and good with people. None of those things describe me. Am I put off by all of the handsome actors in hollywood? Or by all of the men in soap operas that set unreal expectations? No. Why? Because it’s just art. It’s fantasy. It’s not real. The mistake people make is not realizing it’s not real. Isn’t that spooky? Not really. Many people believe in the bible, and that’s a complete work of fiction. So it does not surprise me people can’t separate fiction from reality.

John

On June 23, 2010 at 12:23 am

And I love big unrealistic boobs with crazy physics about as much as I love to read sci-fi novels about places and events that do not exist. I love star trek. None of it’s realistic or real. A lot of it is not practical or useful, either. When was the last time warp drive helped you? When was the last time a Klingon threatened you to a duel to the death? Of course breasts don’t bounce that way or get that big! Goddam! It’s not real. End of story. Was fun while I was here.

John

On June 23, 2010 at 12:37 am

In star trek, it’s a cashless society. How come no one complained about that setting unrealistic expectations for viewers, especially children who will grow up and find that our society is not cashless like the one in star trek?????

At some point, it’s obvious this argument is pure insanity. You just have to trust that people know it’s not real. If you bring up children properly, teach them well, support them and prepare them for school and make sure they can get into the work force, that’s all you can do and it’s enough. You don’t need to worry about the bouncing breasts they see when they play games. Just get the important things right. The rest falls into place.

overclucker

On December 30, 2011 at 11:24 am

I call for more realistic anatomy.

ceai de slabit

On January 5, 2012 at 7:00 am

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Palatis

On April 30, 2014 at 9:01 am

What’s so wrong for a virtual environment to pretend it’s real (at least trying to look as real as it can)?
That’s what these virtual reality games all about!

Do hairs swings according to the wind or how your head moves in real world? YES THEY DO!
Do clothes change shape as you move your body in real world? YES THEY DO!
Do stuff break out debris upon impact in real world? YES THEY DO!

We have all these awesome technologies (real time physics simulation engines, such as but not limitted to, HAVOK, Bullet, PhysX) to achieve these in a game, so I just wanna ask 2 more questions:

Do boobs jiggles in real world?
If so, why shouldn’t we make them jiggle in the virtual world?

Static boobs really just breaking immersion, because they’re supposed to jiggle in the real world.

V1P3R

On October 15, 2014 at 8:21 pm

Who the cares.. really… People need to stop being so damn uptight. A game over sexualizes some of Its female character, who gives a . There Is nothing wrong with that.. Guys like It because It’s a made up world, one where things can be made to fit their fantasies on certain subjects, just so happens to be that a lot of them are about over sexualized women.

Everyone needs to get over It. It’s hurting NOBODY, matter of fact you’re only adding stress to your own ing life because you get angry and about It. The people who like this kind of thing? Could really give two s what you have to say about It. They like It, they are going to play It and there’s nothing anyone can say can do about It. End of story.