Consoles Have Just Become Sh*tty PCs


(This is another edition of </RANT>, a weekly opinion piece column on GameFront. Check back every week for more. The opinions expressed are those of the author, and do not reflect those of GameFront.)

Last night, I quit playing Resistance 3 so I could download a firmware update so I could open the PlayStation Store so I could redeem an online pass so I could play Resistance 3.

As I consider what I did last night, I can’t help but wonder exactly when, where, how and why this became acceptable. I can’t quite work out at what point we, as consumers, decided this was okay. Because we do. We think it’s cool and we let it continue without raising our voices in the slightest. I’m just as bad as everybody else — still buying games for sixty dollars apiece, still putting online codes in like a good little puppet, no matter how damaging to the industry’s long-term success I think they are. I know online passes are bad. I know lengthy firmware updates are annoying. I know mandatory installations that can take over forty-five minutes are utterly inexcusable. Chances are good that you know as well. Yet we’re still swallowing it.

Still — Sony, Microsoft, and the publishers they deal with need to be commended. It is, after all, impressive that we have become so used to having our time wasted that the vast majority of us are starting to accept mandatory installs, online passes, and day-one patches as normal, acceptable, even banal concepts that simply come with the territory of being a gamer. That publishers have hoodwinked us into believing that took some damn talent. Some of us, in a phenomenon that resembles Stockholm Syndrome in a few alarming ways, have even begun to sympathize with the aggressors in this relationship — feeling sorry for companies when they spin a tale of woe concerning GameStop’s maliciously victimizing focus on secondhand sales. There are gamers who are thrilled that companies are “trying to make their games better” when an unfinished game is patched after launch to fix a litany of inexcusable bugs. We’ve become three types of gamers, now — the ones who complain but do nothing, the ones who actively embrace the problems as positives, and the greater number who just don’t give a shit anymore.

At least … that’s what we’re like on consoles.

It’s funny, but I used to think PC gamers had all the problems. What with games becoming obsolete upon the release of a new OS, the lack of extra support and new content that studios lavish on console games, and the ever-present problems with excessive digital rights management, I was once glad that I stuck to consoles. After all, with an Xbox 360 or PS3, you just pop in a disc and the game works, right? Sure, the graphics might not be on par and the deep customization options don’t exist, but at least we get right into a game — no fuss, no muss.

Thinking of that attitude as I come fresh off a forty-five minute Resistance 3 patch, I can’t help feeling like a little bit of a tool.

Hilariously, the gap between consoles and PCs has finally been bridged, but in totally the wrong way. Rather than catch up to the positive aspects of PC gaming, console developers/publishers have started competing for the negatives. From where I’m standing, the consoles are winning that miserable war, too. In the fight over who can have the most egregious updates, the shoddiest business practices, and the biggest “f**k yous” communicated to paying customers, it seems consoles may end this generation as the winners by a mile. Because, while DRM can be annoying and while lacking DLC isn’t cool, at least once I’ve downloaded a PC game, I can boot it up without trouble and patch it in seconds — often using patches that other gamers have made and shared to improve a game beyond even the original studio’s scope.

PC gaming has gotten more convenient. With a number of digital distributors, we can get games delivered to our machines at a cheaper cost, and with a number of tantalizingly, ridiculously cheap discounts that pop up with astounding regularity. Yes, there are problems with games that require permanent online connections, and there’s always the thorny issue of digital games taking our property away from us, but I can’t help feeling a lot more convenienced and f**king respected when I use something like Steam or Good Old Games. I don’t feel that same level of convenience when I try to play Xbox 360 and PS3 games anymore, and I certainly don’t feel like a valued customer.

So, I ask myself, what exactly is the benefit of console gaming anymore?

Well, I like using controllers for third-person games … except most PC games have controller options.

I like sitting back on a couch with my consoles hooked up to my big HDTV … except I can always hook a gaming rig into my HDTV and play it like a console.

I like online gaming … except PC games go online for free, and nearly every game has a burgeoning community unlike console games that usually get abandoned once the new Killzone/Gears of War is out.

I like … hmmm … well, I’m not sure anymore. I really don’t know why I persist, outside of some frail sense of tradition.

At the end of the day, as consoles become less about convenience and more about publishers protecting their profit from ghosts and boogeymen (for that is as much as I respect the “threat” of used sales), I cannot help but start to see the Xbox 360 and PS3 as less powerful, less flexible, increasingly less reliable computers. You have all the hassle of PC gaming, without the superior graphics, efficient digital distribution, cheaper prices and extended modification options.

I don’t have a solution for this, either. Like I said at the beginning, we’re all idiots for finding this bullshit acceptable. All I can do is point out the ludicrousness of the situation, to maybe encourage us to ask Sony, Microsoft, THQ, EA and all the others why we’re treated like cattle and why we should support them when they’ve made console gaming so unnecessarily aggravating. If nothing else, perhaps if enough of us start to realize that consoles are no better than computers, we might start supporting PC gaming more and sending the clear message that all the associated shit with the Xbox 360 and PS3 just isn’t good enough.

Because at the end of the day, if I’m going to have to suffer through patches and greedy publishers treating me like crap, I might as well get better graphics out of the deal.

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68 Comments on Consoles Have Just Become Sh*tty PCs

Garyn Dakari

On September 22, 2011 at 2:41 pm

Well, I’ve just got a PC, so I don’t have those problems.

Only reason I’ve ever wanted an Xbox 360 or PS3 was because of Halo 3, Reach, ODST, and Uncharted 1, 2, and 3.

But…

PC’s are better, cheaper, and…Everything you just said :P

Arthur Brahm

On September 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm

Yeah, because the inferior ports, the piracy and the elitism of many PC gamers sure make the PC the superior platforms. The only vantage on the PC are the superior graphics and the online. However, you must also consider that your PC is much more than your gaming station, and a computer is more likely to break than a console. Also, you must take in accout that as much as you can praise PC gaming, most developer money comes from the console version. Yeah, there are great indie games on the PC but the amount of piracy on there is shameful.

Matt Sayer

On September 22, 2011 at 2:53 pm

Great article Jim. What makes this issue even worse is that consoles are supposed to be the entry point for new gamers, the people who are currently ‘casual’ gamers who want to delve into the world of ‘hardcore’ gaming. But with all the patching, online requirements, activation codes and such that now permeate console gaming, many new gamers are prevented from experiencing the joy of gaming, and put off from developing their interest by these obstacles.

This is one of the reasons why mobile gaming is so successful at attracting the more casual gamer; it offers a very small barrier in terms of not only cost and hardware requirements, but also very little patching, installation or other customization necessary to simply enjoy the game. This is how consoles used to be, and if developers and the manufacturers hope to steal some of the attention away from mobile gaming, they need to address the barriers they have erected in the face of actually playing the games.

T3hArb1t3r

On September 22, 2011 at 2:57 pm

yeah.. the PCs are clearly the future for gaming.
but, unfortunately, PCs aren´t as cheap as you said Garyn..
For example, a rig that can play Crysis 2 at the Extreme config would cost at least $1000, if not more. That´s why some people prefer consoles. They´re cheaper, may not be as technologically advanced as modern day PCs, but if you don´t have money to buy a top-notch rig, go for the consoles.

Ron Whitaker

On September 22, 2011 at 3:03 pm

@Arthur Brahm – PCs are more likely to break than consoles? I’d like to see what gives you that impression.

I’ve gone through a PS3 and a 360 since I built this PC. I also have a PC in the corner I’ve had for 8 years. PCs almost never die, and even if a part goes bad (dead HDD, for example) they can be replaced at far less expense than replacing or repairing an out-of-warranty console.

Luther

On September 22, 2011 at 3:09 pm

@Arthur Brahm

Just as much piracy on pc’s as there is consoles, plus my computer from 1995 still works, where my xbox 360 died 11 months from purchase, I have 8 computers in my house and none of them have broken except faulty monitors which is no less then like a tv.

Also don’t forget the modding on the pc which always brings new life to older games.

o yeah I still can’t stream to my xbox without converting the formats which is super lame, I could use tversity but that program is crap.

Arthur Brahm

On September 22, 2011 at 3:10 pm

@Ron Whitake

I’ve gone through 3 PC’s and just one Xbox 360. But when i said that, it’s because you use your PC for teh internetz and that exposes it to more hackers, virus, etc.

Arthur Brahm

On September 22, 2011 at 3:13 pm

@Luther

But you must realize that most profit made from videogames comes from consoles. Even on the production of a PC game or a PC port of a console game, the money to fund the operation probably came from a console game.

Also, i don’t want to sound like a PC hater/console zealot, but i do believe that Jim is unnecessairly harsh on the article, and saying that the future of gaming is on the PC is just plain stupid.

Chris Boudreau

On September 22, 2011 at 3:14 pm

@ Arthur Brahm What do you mean it’s more likely a PC breaks easier? My old PC is 8 years old November and still running fine, with Windows 7. If a PART of my PC breaks I replace it and move on. If a part of your console breaks it isn’t that simple. Your console is either completely screwed, or in need of a lot of money to repair. Plus you can open your PC and clean it, on your console you void your warranty if you do such a thing. Which always seems to expire right before your console breaks. Convenient. By the way, know of any near 8 year old consoles, outside of any thing before N64 that are still working? That had heavy heavy use. For the entire time. Not likely.

Arthur Brahm

On September 22, 2011 at 3:37 pm

@Chris Boudreau

Sure, there’s the hardware part. But aren’t PCs more likely to software related problems? Bugs, viruses, hackers…? Also, to replace a broken part either you have the expertise or you need to hire someone to do the job.

Anthony S

On September 22, 2011 at 3:44 pm

This article is WIN… pure win.

Luther

On September 22, 2011 at 3:52 pm

@arthur brahm

Problems related to virus’s, and spyware are issues only to the people that are not entirely familiar with computers in general, If you run firefox, spybot, and avg you will most likely avoid all those problems plus you can always format which is recommended once a year for a fast and clean running operating system. as for hackers there nothing to worry about, no hacker would waste there time hacking you unless you had a open back door from a virus, so often times just keep some good long passwords up on emails, and the game providers you use.

SupremeAllah

On September 22, 2011 at 4:57 pm

I can’t tell you how many PC’s I have built that have RED RING’ed on me.

Oh, none of them have.

The only way a PC is going to up is if:

A) You buy a pre-assembled store bought POS

B) You get a virus by doing something stupid

C) You clean the inside of it with a spray bottle and a damp rag

Sure, you can kill PC parts individually. Sometimes the fans on GFX cards go bad. Usually because the companies that make them put crap fans on their cards. And as someone mentioned above, sometimes after long use a HD can take a crap as well.

My current rig has two one-terrabyte HDs. But I have an older PC that was made from old parts, and a few new ones. Of the old parts, two 60gig HDs that still work after being powered nearly nonstop since 2001, as is the same with the Sound Blaster 5.1 sound card. Hell, I am using the keyboard from that PC still, on my current machine. That keyboard is the , because it has no space between the UP arrow key, and the three rowed insert home pgup del end pg down keys. That is IDEAL to me for many times of game, since I loathe the WSAD setup.

And much of what was said in this editorial are things I’ve been saying for YEARS! But who is to blame other than the morons who keep handing these companies money to them in the ass? The same people doing this are the same ones buying every Call of game, thinking each one is totally new and different.

Garyn Dakari

On September 22, 2011 at 4:58 pm

@T3hArb1t3r

Actually, they are. You can get a PC for under 300$ that’s more powerful that the PS3. I built my current PC for under 400$, and it can run new games on high to highest settings.

JosephPS3 Dead State

On September 22, 2011 at 5:22 pm

I came from PC and went to consoles because mainly due to all the headaches. The fact that consoles provide more bang for the buck made the decision easier.

Many of the console complaints are over exaggerated:
1) Consoles have patches- Most are small 50mb patches that take less than a minute to install. Resistance3 is an unusual case and it did not take me no where near 45mins-more like 25 mins. Regardless to use an rare example as Resistance3 to imply that this is a common problem is just simply not factually correct.

2) Online requirements- some starting to have them but so what. Most don`t have them and those that do is only needed for multiplayer. But again, regardless, who cares. How does this make gaming on consoles so terrible.

Consoles provide a far better value. For $250 you get a PS3 now. Here in Canada its actually on special for $230 and it comes with Uncharted2. You get to start playing out of the box (yeah you have to buy a HDMI cable). On PC $230 only gets you a great graphics card.

However, if you already have a decent PC that only needs $500 in upgrades than I`d go with PC for gaming. If my PS3 dies I`ll upgrade my PC but my PS3 is now 3 years old and gets a lot of use-both gaming and bluray movies and shows no sign of slowing down. The visuals are good enough and I would rather use my savings on buying more games because in the end who cares what machine you have. Does it allow you to play great games and have fun and with the least amount of money.

Steve

On September 22, 2011 at 5:34 pm

Yep. Paying $1000 for a PC that could play Crysis was 2007. It’s 2011, so get with the program. Crysis-grade graphics can be had on-the-cheap now. In fact, you can make Crysis your for half that cost now.

PCs not only get cheaper over time, they get faster AND cheaper. You’re getting more for your money compared to the fixed performance of a console. From a practical standpoint, console makers SHOULD be giving away their hardware by now. It’s 5 year old tech now.

If anything, consoles are holding PC gaming back because they fork the game development on both platforms in the late stages instead of designing them from the ground up in parallel. Devs have squeezed every bit of performance and graphical horsepower out of the latest gen consoles now. PC graphics and graphical hardware is a good two generations ahead of them, right now. And I think we’re about to leap into 3rd gen graphical stuff here real soon.

It’s getting the devs to care to push those cutting-edge features (DX11, anyone?) that’s frustrating to PC gamers. With “ty console ports”, PC gamers have been getting the impression that devs don’t care about PC gamers anymore. But that will all change soon.

Also, to those who complaining PCs f*cking up over time. PCs aren’t idiot proof. No offense, but if you can f*ck up a PC these days, stick to consoles. You obviously are doing it wrong. Yes, that’s a harsh elitist statement. Truth hurts, no?

Yenner

On September 22, 2011 at 5:39 pm

I’ve never put in an online pass code.

Granted, I’m uninterested in MP for most games, and I rent most of the games I play. But in the rare events when I do, online-pass always kills off whatever little interest I had to try out the MP (e.g. Dead Space 2).

Jim is in a unique position where he has to put up with the with every game because he needs to check out the MP, and I think that’s why it frustrates him so much. Whereas it never really bothers me, because if I don’t think a game’s MP is worth the 2 minutes for me to put in that code (and usually, I don’t), then I simply won’t bother. Same thing with updates. I’ve gone months without signing into PSN because I didn’t want to deal with it.

It’s an effort vs. desire thing. If you made a game with MP that interests me enough to plop down $60.00 and put up with your online pass bull, then good for you. I’ll happily do it because I think it’s worth it. But just know that you are making that barrier even higher by asking me to enter a 16 letter code with a ing controller. And chances are I’ll never see the other half of your game because of it.

Konraden

On September 22, 2011 at 6:14 pm

PC games suffer from a serious competition problem. They can’t pull off “fair” competition, no matter how hard they might try. When the hardware is locked in with consoles, everyone gets the same experience. Competition comes down to skill.

Online PC games are plagued with cheats, hacks, and superior hardware, leading to gamers with weaker systems being crushed by those who can afford the latest and greatest.

I play my single-player only games on the PC when available, the modding community makes it worth it. RTS? PC only. My online shooters? I play those on the console all day. I’ll sacrifice graphics for fair competition.

Ehren

On September 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm

@Konraden

Your not being serious with this statement are you? In pc gaming the only thing ‘better hardware’ is going to get you is better looking graphics. It has nothing to do with how the game is played. If your using an ancient system with the graphics setting maxed out and trying to play on line then yes you will get your ass handed to you – because you are an idiot. MP gaming is about fluidity and latency. A good internet requirement is mandatory for consoles and PC’s. Fluidity can be had on older machines by dialing back the graphical settings. You get no advantage from better hardware in terms of player ability. That like saying you would be a much better guitarist if your some expensive ass guitar. Its a load of crap.

As for cheating – yeah there are some games with problems. Just like there are console games with cheating problems. With PC gaming I have the option of playing on servers run by people who actually care about the experience. They see some on a 22-0 tear 2 min into a match then they get perma banned. That rarely happens on consoles. WOW on XBOX live is the biggest hack fest in the universe. As for steamworks and PB protected games – I almost never see someone hacking, and if I do they are usually banned within a day or so. Just because you get your ass handed to you on a regular basis does not mean people are cheating. It just means you suck. Competitiveness on PC’s is better all around. You don’t get aim assist to do the job for you. Microsoft looked into allowing console players and PC player to compete head to head and they found that the best console player were being destroyed by so-so PC players. It the KB/M combo. Its better. Period. I have a 360 and picked up a XIM off ebay so I could see for myself – I can run 10 matches of BLOPS and pick up 480+ kills and no deaths by using a KB/M. Consoles fail and so do people defending them.

Droniac

On September 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm

“It’s funny, but I used to think PC gamers had all the problems. What with games becoming obsolete upon the release of a new OS, the lack of extra support and new content that studios lavish on console games, and the ever-present problems with excessive digital rights management, I was once glad that I stuck to consoles.”

- DRM problems are a pain in the ass. That makes Ubisoft games generally not worth buying.
- PC games don’t become obsolete when a new OS is released. I can still play most games from the early 90s (Windows 95 / MSDOS) in Windows 7. The few rare games that don’t work always have community patches or simple workarounds that can be easily found through this mystical service called Google.
- Extra support and free content for games originated on the PC with Unreal Tournament and other PC games of the 90s era. It’s never gone away either. Additionally, some PC versions of multi-platform games tend to have more content than their console counterparts, the opposite is extremely rare.

@Konraden claiming that the PC can’t provide fair competition. Try actually competing in PC games before posting nonsense. Hardware has no real impact on your performance, because no competitive multiplayer game released in the past 6 years or so has pushed hardware requirements at all. Not to mention the fact that ALL pro level players play at LOWEST detail, ALL THE TIME. Hardware is therefore irrelevant.

Cheats are also irrelevant, because competitive PC scenes, unlike competitive console scenes, are community-managed and utilize community-managed anti-cheat tools / PunkBuster / blacklists. Cheating is essentially a non-issue in a competitive PC environment. That’s why you don’t hear about StarCraft pros or Quake pros being caught cheating… ever.

Furthermore, the superior controls on the PC for anything and everything (since you can hook in ANY peripheral) ensures that it allows the maximum in-game performance for every player rather than limiting their abilities to a very low skill-ceiling due to utterly inferior controls (for specific genres: FPS, RTS, RPG). Contrary to you I’ve competed internationally in both console and PC games, hence I actually know a thing or two about both scenes and competitive play in general.

Hoho

On September 23, 2011 at 2:19 am

@Arthur Brahm
“Also, you must take in accout that as much as you can praise PC gaming, most developer money comes from the console version”

I wouldn’t be so sure about that:
http://techgage.com/article/nvidia_talks_pc_gaming_trends/

Digital distribution is nearly the only way to earn on games on PC and nearly everyone making any statistics about gaming markets are completely ignoring it. PC gaming market nearly as big market as all other consoles combined.

As for PCs being fragile, I bought my box back at 2003 and have been upgrading it piece by piece ever since. Only thing that broke was a HDD that I accidentally dropped. From the leftovers from upgrades I’ve built two full new PCs that are both working still today.

D...

On September 23, 2011 at 7:00 am

Articles have become ty rants

gazac

On September 23, 2011 at 8:26 am

T3hArb1t3r – You do know that a PS3 or Xbox does not have a TV in there box, you have to add the TV to the price of the PS3 or Xbox. so even if a good PC costs $1000 (but more like 1/2 this)then it will have a monitor.
ok you will say but I have a TV, if that the case what do others do to see TV when you game, so add the TV when you speak about your low cost Xbox.

Pedros

On September 23, 2011 at 8:27 am

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DarthDiggler

On September 23, 2011 at 9:51 am

Must stop reading your unintelligible writings.

You are a freetard. You want everything for free, yesterday. :)

dan1101

On September 23, 2011 at 10:02 am

Consoles are good for music games, driving games, fighting games, sports games. PCs are good for FPS, RPG, strategy.

Dom

On September 23, 2011 at 10:11 am

Lets compare apples to apples. ps3 launch price: $500. You pay 60$ for new games while PC gamers pay 45-50. Lets say you bought 15 games over the period of 6 years with the price difference only being $10. Thats another $150 Total Price = $650. If you bought a gaming pc for 850 back then, right now you would just need a video card upgrade. Thats $200 for a good card and $300 for something that will last 6 years. (crossfire 6850s).

This is something called math, something apparently console gamers arent capable of. So basically, you saved 200$ over 6 years if you do not want to upgrade your current performance (which is better than consoles). If you decide that right now (before BF3 hits) is a time to upgrade, then you have the OPTION to spend 200-300$ (but this will def last you 6 years and probably outperform or at least be equal to the next gen consoles). In return you have sacrificed:

1. Dedicated servers
2. Playing games maxed out with all their eye candy.
3. Online gaming with no lag
4. Options to play with KBM or Gamepad depending on your preference.
5 Getting mods for games which extend lifetime for games. This means your money spent on PC games goes further.
6. Sacrificed the ability to own a Fast PC for all your other tasks : email, photos, music, web browsing, etc…
7. Sacrificed entire genres of video games like RTS and MOBAs.

Furthermore do you have a computer at home? You know… like the one you are typing on right now? How much did that cost? Because for a few hundred extra you could have had a monster PC that could play games also. You have to factor in the price of the PC you have at home because if you had a gaming rig you wouldnt buy a separate PC for everything else. This is a redundancy cost you have to pay for separating one machine that can do everything well, into 2 that can do isolated tasks poorly. thats probably another $600. So even with the upgraded video card for next 6 yrs you would have SAVED 100$ overall.

Dont even talk about the 360. With xbox live 50-60 and a console gen lasting about 6 years, you are another 300 in the red at the minimum.

And you can play with gamepad + TV like a console if you prefer that. You have the OPTION to. The prices console gamers are quoting for PCs shows how they are clearly clueless. Here is what a $2000 rig looks like people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjYuxF8jjc

So to sum it up… It seems console gamers are real SMART shoppers! they spent more money overall than PC gamers, sacrificed everything i listed, and locked themselves in with MS with no upgrade options until MS or SONY release a new console. Good going people, but i cant talk anymore i have to run. I have to prepare to play BF3 Maxed out on my “2k” gaming rig which cost 800 bucks. “

Armand

On September 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

PCs don’t even have the hassle of installing from a disk anymore. I want to play a game through Steam, I buy it, and within the hour, it’s downloaded, installed, and ready to go. Usually faster than if I’d driven to the store to buy a boxed copy. Aside from a few console exclusive games, I see no reason to go that way fro gaming.

As for cost, the PC only seems more expensive. When you factor in the HDTV for consoles, all the peripherals, and the lack of Steam like sales, I think the cost is far more comparable. For a $1000, I get a great gaming rig, a great stereo, and a TV with instant watch for all my favorite shows. Oh, and something called internet, but who uses that.

butch

On September 23, 2011 at 10:35 am

I deeply agree with the article. I never know a pc to console gamer who turned back. Of course back in the day, it was like this: a laptop for internet and such, and a console for the gaming needs. Nowdays, there’s a PC for gameing and sometimes a handheld if I’m somewhere else (and well.. alone).
PC-s are better because you can truly get into the game with all the articles, community and such. You play, got lost, hit Alt+Tab and look for a solution.
Only thing I hate about games in general is those ridiculous DLC-s. WHY can’t they include those in the original game?! WHY do I have to PAY MORE to get equal (items, exp…) to other players who bought them all?
We are milked in every ways possible, why back in the day, it was all about games, ideas and richness, why nowdays it’s technology above all, why we still play the same titles over and over again just with better visuals. I just cant give any credits for graphics in a game. Graphics are good because of technological advancement, while ideas are from creativity. And from this angle I can safely say, that old games are far superior than titles of the present.

josh

On September 23, 2011 at 12:28 pm

You know if you are going to write an article like this, try not to come off as such a PC fan boy, I mean being this one sided just shows you how far up the PC gaming ass you really are.

Frankly in the past year I’ve bought maybe 2 pc games and the rest on console, I have a nice 50 inch HDTV, a comfy couch, wireless controller and nice sound system. Thats not to say my pc isn’t a montster in itself but frankly there hasn’t been that many great pc games that only come out on a pc, frankly you should be thanking Blizzard for not porting over their games to the console yet, StarCraft, Diablo, WoW, these are the only reasons why I’ll play my pc, yeah Portal 2 was great but really what else has come out on the PC that hasn’t come out on the console ? The better question is what has come out on the console that didn’t come out on the PC, and thats the question of why consoles and console games will always beat PCs now and its just going to get better for consoles.

Phil Owen

On September 23, 2011 at 1:04 pm

@Josh

Have you ever heard of Steam? I’m assuming you haven’t, if you really think most PC games are ported to consoles.

josh

On September 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm

@josh

I have a pc an HDTV and a comfy couch that crushes your ghey ass console. btw Portal 2 is on the 360 also. I have an xbox 360 but the only thing I use it for is a glorified media box.. The 360 is more for my 6 year old as the games are simple enough that he can play them. He has however been losing interest in consoles as he has discovered the KBM combo kicks a controller in the ass. PC pwns console.

Chad

On September 23, 2011 at 9:04 pm

wow, Ive come across some of your reviews and lots of your (Sony fanboys are everywhere and there the worst) articles on destructoid. I can’t beleive im going to say this but i agree with you…..jesus i think i had an embalism.

PS There is a great Youtube video of some nerd in a pimp outfit breaking a brand new ps3 infront of a line of people at launch. You know cause there is actualy “WORSE” fanboyism.

Gordo

On September 24, 2011 at 8:08 am

I agree with your article. I also agree but disagree with others statements and I’ll explain why.

I own a ps3. I bought it used a couple years ago for 100 bucks. I like it because of the ps3 media server, I can play exclusive games, the graphics are “enough” and I can play games with people who don’t own a pc.

Now for those of you saying that building a gaming computer costs over $1,000 is right but what are you using right now to read and post on this page..perhaps a laptop so that excludes my point but to play pc games all you have to do is buy a new graphics card. Sure you have to make sure all your parts are sort of up to date such as either a fast dual-core or a good quad core processor. You don’t need a new i7 processor. All you need to do is buy a good graphics card and you can turn your pc into a great game machine for far less than a console would cost. You can now buy even an ati hd6950 1gb card for $220 that will play games maxed out for a couple years to come or buy a cheaper hd6870 or nvidea 560 fermi for about 160-180 dollars now which will still play games on high settings. What people don’t reallize is for the most part medium-low settings on a computer are equal to a consoles graphis.
I like what you said about pc games becoming a lot cheaper and there are always sales on direct2drive.com or on steam. New games also retail for $49.99 instead of $59.99. Sure you have to enter in a one time activation code for your game and yes DRM sure is awful but was you pointed out the new online activation codes are a NO NO for consoles and is much worse.

The online gaming code now on consoles is rediculous. It cheapens what you can resell your game for because whoever buys it used will have to spend another $10 to play online. Maybe it is because of gamefly that they say they are loosing money too but the fact is that games are WAY TOOO EXPENSIVE $60 is a slap in the face and some companies wonder why their games arn’t selling. It is because we as gamers have to choose what game we will invest our $60 into. For me its a game like the upcoming RAGE game and games like Battlefield 3. You buy a game for its replay value. Medal Of Honor on the ps3 took an activation code and the online sucks. Sure a couple maps were great…but the rest were unbalanced and I even bought a couple dlc’s and guess what..no one was playing them so I invested another $20 that went to them and not me.
My biggest complaint right now is that I paid $50 bucks for Dead Island after I already pirated it because I liked it. Now I hope some of you publishers read this part I BOUGHT IT AFTER I HAD IT FOR FREE then I tried to play the game in offline mode in steam and I couldn’t. I wanted to take my computer up into my bedroom and plug it into my upstairs tv and play in bed…and I couldnt. So now I will have to go back to the pirated version. I just wanted to play single player.

The gaming industry takes two steps forward and three steps back all the time. They should just sell thier games for $35 bucks and sell more copies than they sell more. People will play and buy more games and gamefly and game rentals won’t be much of an advantage. I canceld my gamefly.

Now one more point is two nights ago I logged into my ps3 to play Bad Company 2. I had to do a firmware update. SO I waited a while and when it was done and logged in nothing was differnt. The last firmware update added a “video tab” which is stupid. Saving your games on “cloud” should not have to have a ps plus account for. I have lost a lot of corrupted game saves and the least they could do is store a certain frew for me. At least do a certain amount free. Playstation Plus is another way to gouge us consumers.

Mortimer

On September 24, 2011 at 9:09 am

The silver lining to PC vs Console gaming is that developers are focusing on designing/handicapping games so much to the point that my PC doesn’t even need that much power to run every game I play on ultra settings. I’ve yet to have a problem on my 4 year old PC that i’ve upgraded twice (For free, thanks to MFG on graphics card from stores.)

Mark Burns

On September 25, 2011 at 3:19 am

This article is silly. PCs have many challenges to get games working. Why would you complain about mandatory installs? They aren’t to the producer’s benefit, they’re for your benefit. The alternative is slower technology. What’s wrong with firmware updates, in principal? The PS3 and 360 can do things that weren’t imagined on release. Devices update themselves now. It’s good.

Also, you’re ignoring the fact that PCs are the pioneers of amazing draconian DRM, and it’s getting deeper and deeper.

Dutch1nl

On September 25, 2011 at 7:57 am

Valve should build a console. With Steam built-in.

G. Stevens

On September 25, 2011 at 10:33 am

@ Mark Burns

What challenges? Most challenges if not all, have to do with the user’s lack of intelligence. In 2 decades of PC gaming I can hardly remember any challenges to get a game working. The last problem I had with a game was back in 2003 when I had to learn how to open ports on my router to play some online Homeworld 2. And I fixed it with a 5 minute trip to Google.

The only people who complain about the PC’s “Challenging Problems” are the console gamers who have never learned the basics of PC using. The kind of people who do not know what Google is and who have never heard of Steam or Good Old Games.

PC gaming is as easy as picking up a game from a shelf, installing it in minutes and playing it for years, without the worry that it will become obsolete when the next generation of hardware comes out.

I should also point out that draconic DRM is only being enforced by a handful of publishers in order to give them more control over their games. Basically, the control they have on the console versions of their games, they want it on PCs. They don’t want PC games to have mods or a very long longevity. They want to turn PC gamers into console like sheep. The kind of sheep who buys the same game every year just because the new version has a fresh coat of paint. They want PC gamers not to be able to play their games a few years after release because that’s means they are not playing the latest installment.

The Halo servers were shutdown on the XBOX some time ago… Guess what, there’s people still playing the thing on the PC.

You’re ignorant about many things. The truth behind draconic DRM and the capabilities of a PC are just 2 of them.

Mark Burns

On September 25, 2011 at 11:44 am

@G. Stevens

I don’t want to start slapping my chops on the table, but I am a graduate software developer, just so you’re aware of my position.

I’m pretty neutral, and I have enjoyed playing on both consoles and PCs.

There remain challenges, and a lot of them rely on third party solutions. Whether you’re sorting out problems with DOS games, Windows 95 era games (which are the most difficult to get going in my experience), or modern PC titles that can often have v-sync, control and other issues. If I have to rely on a third party hack to get a old game working, it’s not reassuring.

PC games have had limited installations. Some PC games require you to check in to an online server before you start the game. Some PC games require an always on connection. Steam’s issues with offline mode are widely documented.

You say about things not becoming obsolete when the next hardware comes out, but yet there are games that have difficulties with new versions of Windows, or running on 64-bit operating systems.

So I’m not very ignorant about the capabilities of a PC, and I’m certainly not ignorant about the existence of invasive DRM, which consoles are still largely free from. For you to say that PC games not working properly is due to a lack of intelligence is very hostile. You’ve basically tried to call me an idiot in order to defend the PC camp. The current console generation has had a great number of positives and negatives.

Jacques

On September 25, 2011 at 12:11 pm

I see mentions of piracy costing game developers lots of money, but it seems like a worthless argument when compared with second hand sales on consoles.

whatdoesth

On September 25, 2011 at 2:12 pm

This is the first time I think I’ve seen something by Jim Sterling, read it, and thought “Wow, I agree with every single word of this.” It’s kind of scary, but he hit the nail on the head.

I’ll share with you, however, the secrets that he missed.

The reason you are being treated this way? Because it maximizes profits, and most importantly because you (the person who supports these practices) allow it.

The way to make it stop? Don’t give these companies money. DRM? DLC? Online fees? Online passes? Don’t give them any money.

Don’t buy new.
Don’t buy used.
Don’t buy at all. Beyond that is up to your own morals and decisions, but by giving a company money in exchange for a product, you support every single thing about that product whether you agree with it or not.

Jeff Earls

On September 25, 2011 at 5:52 pm

A-ing-men.

dniq

On September 25, 2011 at 11:40 pm

Perhaps you should stop writing good reviews about games that do this? I mean, Resistance 3 has gotten quite height scores all over. Why?

I have recently written a rant review of SOCOM 4 on Gamespot, which probably either got deleted already, or voted down. Why? For this same reason: after one hour of waiting, I still was unable to play the damn game.

So please, cut the game rating by 50% if it treats it’s users like crap.

In this regard, Deus Ex Human Revolution is a good example: a top notch quality game! Been out for some time now – still not a single patch. And pretty much no bugs or glitches to speak of.

nucco

On September 26, 2011 at 12:17 am

The article rightly points out the problem with Console games particularly, and Games in general. The usability is horrible as standard. Have you ever seen those dialog boxes that tell you “Loading complete, press X to continue?”, computer software vendors have come a long way in eliminating dumbness like that, but the games, ah, they live in another dimension.

The online passcodes won’t be too much of a problem if they could get out of your way. The Internet is supposed to augment the games, not become a hindrance. I often disable the Internet connection on my console so that there is no possibility of being asked to download stuff I don’t care about.

The console guys and game makers need to start hiring usability experts.

Mark Burnham

On September 26, 2011 at 1:57 am

@Josh,
It sounds like the crux of your argument is basically “If given a choice, there’s absolutely no reason to choose to play a game on the PC, if that game is also available on consoles.”

That’s your opinion, but you should know that many, many gamers (myself included) would disagree with you. What’s odd is you admit you have a powerful gaming PC, and yet you don’t want to play games on it. Why not? You’d really PREFER to play these multi-platform games on your Xbox 360?

Skyrim
Modern Warfare 3
Battlefield 3
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
RAGE

Why? I mean, it’s your money. Read what Tod Howard himself had to say about the PC version of Skyrim here, and consider putting that rig of yours to use. It’s a perfectly rational decision for a gamer to choose the PC version of a game, one tons of people make:
http://www.gamefront.com/bethesda-ceo-todd-howard-on-skyrim-the-pc-version-looks-better/

And it’s not just graphics that would drive a perfectly sane person to choose to play a multi-platform game on the PC. How about: superior controls (especially for certain genres), free multiplayer gaming, an active modding community kicking out free awesome content, a thriving/growing independent games market, extremely convenient digital stores like Steam/Direct2Drive, and tons of free-to-play options. Still don’t care? Still think anyone who does this is an idiot?

Your “PC gaming is on Blizzard life support” argument, that we should be “thanking” Blizzard for not porting their games to consoles, is a gigantic, unfounded assumption. It’s just plain false. Let’s take a look at Steam right now. 2 million gamers online, none of them playing Blizzard games. That’s a pretty huge customer base.

When you say this: “StarCraft, Diablo, WoW, these are the only reasons why I’ll play my pc,” those are great games, but really? Again, two million gamers on Steam right now, at 1:30 am in the morning, none of them playing Blizzard games, all of them disagreeing with you. There are many, many reasons to be a PC gamer other that Blizzard’s marquee titles. If you don’t know what they are or care, you’re missing out. And you’re wasting your monster of a rig.

And if you think PC gaming is dying, read this. Our very own Phil Hornshaw wrote a great article about the recent success of PC gaming, and how its demise has been greatly exaggerated. You’ll probably disagree with it, though:
http://www.gamefront.com/is-pc-gaming-making-a-comeback/

Foul'jin

On September 26, 2011 at 3:54 am

I have a nice and shiny gamingPC with all the bells and whistles. Payed about 3000 euros with 2×24″ led screens.

I also got Xbox360 and Nintendo Wii.

Most love goes to my PC.
Why? Most games are released to all major platforms. PC, xbox and playstation. Some even to Wii.
I can buy PC version about 10-15 euros cheaper and get better graphics, easier DLC’s and fan based content like all those bazillion mods for Oblivion, Fallout, Neverwinter etc…
In case of Fallout and Oblivion, even fan made bugfixes.

So it’s more with less money.

I only got a handfull of console games, all of those that are released ONLY to those consoles.
If a game is released to PC, xbox and ps, I am most likely to get it for PC.

Next games on my shopping list are Rage and Skyrim, both for PC. No frigging idea when Im gonna buy a game for my consoles. Maybe when something exclusive and interesting comes. And that doesn’t happen often.

For the technical problems I dont say anything. PC isn’t perfect, consoles aren’t perfect. Life and world is far from perfect.

In the end, it’s all about matter of taste. Some one loves to play his/her games with consoles, other prefer PC. Thats only reason games are even released to all platforms possible.

plsburydoughboy

On September 26, 2011 at 5:40 am

I want to take this opportunity to point out that Nintendo doesn’t accept bull like this from their 3rd party developers. When a game gets developed for a Nintendo console or portable, they go out of their way to make sure games limit loading times to a few seconds and that gameplay is for the most part seamless. It’s meant less games for them, and a lot of unnecessary hate for not having those games that eat up resources, but this should give you an idea about the give and take resource heavy games entail.

clawjelly

On September 26, 2011 at 7:02 am

“we let it continue without raising our voices in the slightest.”

Ever been on a games forum…?

adam

On September 26, 2011 at 8:15 am

ive had 3 pc’s now and none have caused me issues, if i get a fault iv’e learnt how to deal with it and fix the damn thing and it aint hard at all, all my pc parts have lasted longer then my xbox360 did, and i babied the crap out of it and it died in 11months by the time they sent me a box the warrenty was gone and said it wasnt there fault… (bs it wasnt i recieved it the day after my warrenty expired) Atleast iv’e got piece of mind if anything does die for my pc. + i dont think i could ever go back to console gaming, i hate the sound of little kids screaming over the mic, and the constant fps drops is extremely noticeable after playing on a proper pc built for gaming and folding.

Cameron

On September 27, 2011 at 10:36 am

And now you all know what us PC gamers have known all along. The PC is the true Master Race, standing high above the consoles who squabble and roll in filth.

Costanza

On September 27, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Sterling, stop being a cry baby. The Sony system updates have never taken more than 5 minutes and that includes installation of said update. I’m with you on the enormous game updates though. That’s unacceptable.

I’m sick of the gaming community’s complaining though. Here’s the situation companies like Sony are in.

1) serve system updates to ensure system/network stability & security
2) don’t do it, risk a network intrusions and then endure a PR storm at the risk of private information being compromised.

Pick ONE. Don’t be upset one the latter happens, when they clearly are making efforts to patch up system security issues as they find them. Long gone are the days of SNES, we need to get over that. Consoles have been in the process of becoming PCs since the xbox was introduced.

I can sacrafice 5 mins of my day to do a system update. It’s not like I’m watching the progress bar the whole time. I walk away and do something else.

James

On September 29, 2011 at 11:41 am

PCs cost more than a console but can easily cover the cost of buying when there are literally thousands of games of all different kinds available for free either in browsers or from torrents if you are looking for a 10 year old game that can’t be found in stores. Not to mention movies and music and creative arts and literally EVERYTHING.

Charlie

On October 10, 2011 at 10:03 pm

…What?

I can’t remember the last time I had a firmware update on my XBox 360. They do them very rarely, and it’s usually when they change something about the home screen.

Day-one patches are… a bad thing? They take what, 60 seconds to download? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! When did it become ACCEPTABLE for games to keep updating their content AFTER RELEASE?! This is an outrage (/sarcasm) Really, patches are good. Get over it.

Online codes? I had to enter one of those ONCE, as opposed to every PC game I’ve ever bought, which requires a CD Key.

Lastly, installations? There is one console that requires that games be installed. On the other hand, every PC game must be installed before it can be played.

This is not a “consoles suck” page. This is a “the PS3 sucks” page. None of those problems relate to consoles as a whole. This was just poorly thought out.

The virus is just propaganda

On November 21, 2011 at 10:36 am

If you use Internet Explorer, then of course you get viruses, and allmost all the viruses come trough the actions you do. Hell I even a free firewall on my computer and it has no viruses at all.

“Pc:s break faster” bollocks that claim is pure fanboy stuff, none of my computers, or the computers of my relatives, have ever broken.

“The controller on the consoles is better” is also completely ridiculous, you can play all the gametypes well on a pc. But most RPG, strategy etc, need an accurate way of aiming(yes “even” FPS). Well dang how is this possible?, the pc is better at this too

Oh and I almost forgot, all console games cost 25% more money in this country.

But most of all I hate EA games, EA sports and all that bull. When I bought LOTR Conquest, the game servers were already closed. And hell there are no bugfixes either, not even one…….

Hyun Wiliams

On December 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Ciao. questa guida vale anche per la 4.2E?

Smoke

On December 13, 2011 at 6:16 pm

That’s the natural evolution of the console, a PC, every new generation of consoles becomes more, and more like the PC.

I hate how PC gamers are “elitist” for telling console gamers the truth, PC’s are superior. Words can’t explain the difference, you simply have to experience it, and be shown by an experienced PC user.

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The PC
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It-Really-Does-Everything: Unlike the competitors who only claim it.

I have music, movies, games, I program(my own apps\games), write music, can burn CD\DVD’s, have various art programs(2d\3d), etc,. The computer does it all, it replaces nearly every other component you can imagine.

I keep hearing, console gaming is cheaper, sure, but, how much was your stereo system, your PC, etc,. ? Because my PC replaced them all, at a price tag of less than $600(built myself), with all my extras, amps, subs, HDTV, etc, it’s still under a $1,000, for a COMPLETE home entertainment system. (Sure, you have to upgrade every 3-5 years to keep running top end, but, most ppl let it go 5, and spend about the same or less as console gamers do for new consoles. And still have more options for their money, it’s just smart.)

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PC Advantages (In gaming, the consoles main purpose.)
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Better graphics (Just AA\AF\Etc, alone can make a game look better on PC, that’s not getting into mods, and whether or not the devs gave us higher settings(and more options) to begin with.)

Better performance (For well made PC games at least.. Oblivion on 360 struggles to keep 30fps, I have HQ texture mods, 1080i res, etc, etc, and easily stay near 60fps(vsync) all the time. My PC is technically inferior, spec wise, since I still run an OLD single core CPU, yet, I smoke your XBox, your OB will never look as good as mine, or run like it, EVER. Your hardware is maxed, and can’t be upgraded.)

Better controls (I have mouse+keyboard, AND GAMEPADS, I can do either or, and BOTH at the same time. I for instance use a controller to drive in San Andreas, and the mouse+keyboard on foot. PC control support is a bit borked for some games, but it’s the devs fault, not the PC, read on, I explain this in detail..)

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Misconceptions Laid To Rest
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1. PC gamers CAN USE GAMEPADS! (PS2\XBox\PS3\NES\SNES\ATARI\You name it.. It’s amazing how many console gamers think you are stuck using a mouse+keyboard. When in fact, we have more control options than other system, ever.)

2. I’m not at a computer desk, I’m on my couch, using an HDTV for a monitor, so enough with this “But, I wanna kick back on my couch and use a gamepad, so I use a console” BS… (PC’s have been capable of this, since the 90′s, if you put it on a desk, and were uncomfortable, that’s your fault for being ignorant of your PC’s capabilities. You are taking the term desktop far too literally…)

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Random Notes
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On the subject of PC controller support, under DirectX you have a few options, DInput, it allows for mouse\keyboard\gamepad support, this was deprecated, the replacement is RawInput, which is basically the same thing. (They left DInput alone for backwards compatibility, I would imagine. ie, they wanted to make “breaking” changes, so they opted to create a replacement to avoid breaking old games.)

Most PC devs are using XInput these days, which is specifically for XBox360 controllers.

This is conspiracy level BS, as I said, DInput is deprecated, meaning, for mouse+keyboard support, they are using RawInput, which supports ANY gamepad, see what I’m saying.. Why use XInput, when you’re already using RawInput which supports any controller, not just the XBox one. ??? My guess: $$$ (It’s like $40-60 bucks for an XBox360 PC controller, I bet MS is offering bonuses to companies who do this, because it’s insane otherwise.)

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Are We Elitist
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Not really.

If you just wanna pop a game in, and play, and or suck at using PC’s, by all means, have your console, but stop pretending they’re on the same level as PC’s.

I don’t care what you game on, but hearing your BS, is like hearing someone claiming his Fiero with the Ferrari kit, is just like the real thing. (It’s really not, it’s a Fiero, with a body kit. It looks pretty, but lacks all the features that make a real Ferrari.)

That’s what consoles are, a pretend PC, in the end, it can’t compete with the real thing.

Stop comparing your junk to real hardware, and we’ll stop bashing you back down where you belong. (ie, Know your role, and know your place, and the mean “elitist” will stop putting you in it.)

The End (Seriously, I’m sick of typing..)

Raygun

On December 14, 2011 at 11:39 am

It’s all WWW fault ;) If you make a console without Network (RJ-45 or Wifi and no usb) hardware, you got solid console. No more game updates or firmware updates and far more better coded games “finalized games”. (hopefully)

Internet even ruined our LAN party’s. People were playing soloing MMORPG’s and surfing at the web..doing everything possible, but not LAN gaming.
When there was not an internet available, people were actually gaming sama multiplayer games.

Ps. I’m a PC gamer.

Shiggz - Newt (Warp 6.3)

On December 23, 2011 at 1:25 pm

When my ps3 ylod and i lost all my save games from years… PC – I have all my save games plus a back up on a second hard drive for about $.25 worth of space. With the exception of gta4, I can drag and drop and fire up a game I played 10 years ago at any moment I wish.

New 720/ps4 are about to come out so that 250$ console price tag is going at least back to 400$ … on PC a 150$ cpu and 250$ gpu buys you power wayy above current console and according to early leaks probably above next gen consoles as well. Add in steam sales and gaming on PC is now both the cheaper and superior performance gaming platform.

Neferious

On January 24, 2012 at 7:15 am

I suppose the greatest question for this forum posting is the age range of it’s contributors. I have been playing games since before the console had the big piece of the pie (my first rig was a commodore 64).

I am of the real Nintendo generation, growing up with the nes, snes, gameboy… I have found console gaming to be the lighter version of what pc gaming has always been. It is interesting to see the games become less and less difficult to play. Something I attribute to the controller vs. mouse argument.

Many of the titles coming out today represent a whole lot of work into smoothing out the input signal of what I would call crappy controllers. Xbox is the worst! I have lost interest in many long running series of games simply because they lack any of the elements that made them fun on the pc years ago!

At this point there is really a gap between gaming on the pc and gaming on the console. Certain game types do well on one but not the other. This of course almost always is in direct correlation to the way the game can be controlled, and how it interacts in multiplayer.
The best example of this is MMO’s. However, RTS’s cannot be played easily on a console and therefore will always stay in the realm of pc’s (unless mouse control is added). And there is the FPS. Arguably split between the two; WASD fans cannot and will not succumb to the crappy controller of the console! For good reason. (Want to see fast gameplay? Join a counterstrike session, beats the hell out of anything I have ever seen on a console. Try it on a controller plugged into your pc if your masochistic!

One thing I still can’t believe is that there has been no success integrating pc and console servers to bridge the gap. This is completely to do with two things. Console makers know that a gamer with a mouse will win hands down (so fairness is out), and console makers do not want to make updating an easier task, So updating both games equally would just piss off the pc community (they are not used to waiting for updates).

Console makers put very harsh restrictions on their games as a rule! I almost made the switch to console when aftermarket controllers with pad emulating mice came on the market. They have since been quashed through endless lawsuits (http://www.xscorch.com).

If anything is to be done about gaming, bringing the two systems closer together is really the only solution I can see. Build consoles to completely take the place of a computer and you’ll have something! Give me mouse support, a keyboard, varying peripherals, (a web browser, media support, downloadable third party software (don’t make everything a licencing issue!), tons of modding support, open sourcing availability (free community stuff). (The minute they do this I’m switching to console , buying a mac and letting Microsoft rot!)

Please build us a console that trumps Windows!!!
Pretty pretty please!!!

Dalamar

On February 15, 2012 at 10:11 am

Even my NOTEBOOK outperforms consoles, and I can take it anywhere. It’s not even a gaming notebook. Got a nice 95% ntsc gamut 1080p res screen on it. Graphics/photo worker’s dream, that screen.. it’s almost as good as an IPS monitor.

“a computer is more likely to break than a console” -> utter nonsense. That’s only true if you are buying low end trash prebuilts or amd crap.

I leave my machines on 24/7 and the worst I’ve had happen over the last 12 years is fans dying, and a brand new hdd that started spewing out errors about bad sectors a week later. Fans, hdds are mechanical, and thus where 99.9% of problems start at. Solid state electronics rarely have problems, and if you’re not an idiot, it’s easy to fix computers, especially if you’re not using a non-standard prebuilt pos.

Thus far I’ve had only 2 fans die, and oddly enough they were GPU fans. Case fans/cpu fans never seem to die on me. 1 bad new hdd, and one hdd that had served longer than usual life (over 5 years) started misbehaving.

I’d like to see someone leave a console running 24/7, at full load, for 6 years straight and then selling it off in working condition, having only replaced a fan…

Brendar

On February 23, 2012 at 9:00 am

Well, I really wanted to play BF3 on PC, but after playing the beta and having to 1)join a match through a web page (?) 2)the game loads up with some kind of fubar resolution that it wrong for my monitor 3) not being able to access the settings menu UNTIL I JOIN A GAME AND SPAWN IN (WTF?!?!?) 4) my player gets shot while I’m in the settings menu, and it LITERALLY bumped me out of the settings menu. Because, you MUST be alive in game to change your video resolution…cuz, PC gaming is awesome.

Hilariously, the match ended while I was dead and I had to wait 2 minutes for the end of game screen, a new map to load and to spawn back in game to change my video resolution.

Then, any resolution I tried still stretched the graphics weird, even though I was picking resolutions that should have fit my 16×10 1920X1050 screen. I picked 1280×800 because the game really chugged on anything higher on my PC. I could never get the graphics to fit my monitors aspect ratio, so I gave up and went and played the beta on my 360.

So, while NO ONE probably had that experience on their PC, that’s really my point. Everyone on PC has a different experience because every PC is different. If you have an awesome PC and know how to troubleshoot little problems like this easily, you’re probably a PC gamer. If you have a couple of hours to game after a long day and want to sit on your sofa while you do it, you’re probably a console gamer.

And BTW, comparing the PSN to XBL is apples to oranges. I’ve never had to wait 45 minutes to patch ANYTHING on the Xbox. Xbox has a very low patch size limit and pushes updates to you, so they install the second you try and launch the game. It takes maybe 30 seconds to patch and the game restarts. I wish the PS3 experience wasn’t so user time-wasting expensive, but that’s the reason I almost exclusively play my xbox.

OH, and BTW BTW, I got my Xbox 360 for $200 dollars. Maybe I’m out of it, but I probably don’t want to be gaming on a $200 dollar PC, since my 2 year old $600 PC already has issues running newer games.

blah

On February 23, 2012 at 9:06 am

If I buy a PS3 game I know my PS3 can play it. If I buy a PC game I have to check a bunch of nonsense and possibly upgrade parts just to play it. I don’t want to deal with the hassle. The PC is just for watching totally legally downloaded 720p/1080p movies on my HDTV from my couch.

Smoke

On February 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm

“If I buy a PS3 game I know my PS3 can play it. If I buy a PC game I have to check a bunch of nonsense and possibly upgrade parts just to play it. I don’t want to deal with the hassle.”

Utter BS.

What happens when you want to play a PS4 game? You have to upgrade, and then, you can only play PS4(+any backwards compatible PS stuff).. So, you spend $500+ dollars for a minor upgrade, and access to a limited gaming library.

I spend a few hundred every couple of years, and upgrade my PC to run everything on the market, it’s cheaper than console gaming, and little hassle. (Order parts, stick parts in computer, done.)

Also, the requirements are loose on PC, you NEED a PS3 to play PS3 games, I DO NOT suffer from such requirements, my PC can play games beyond it’s specs, on lower settings, ie, it’s like being able to play PS3 games in your PS2 by lowering quality. (ie, PC wins again.)

If you don’t like PC’s for gaming, or whatever, fine, but, your arguments hold no water, the PC is far cheaper than consoles overall, and allows gamers with lesser specs to play the newest games, and gives us access to huge gaming libraries. (I can play anything: from modern games, to DOS games, ie, the PC is nearly 100% backwards compatible.)

“If anything is to be done about gaming, bringing the two systems closer together is really the only solution I can see.”

God no, keep your console BS away from my PC awesomeness.

Anonymous

On June 25, 2012 at 3:02 am

The same can is siad about Handheld Console vs Smartphones/PDAs.

Steve

On September 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm

Bwahahahahaha… *pause for breath*…hahahah! Ok, not to toot my own horn, but I called this 5 years ago! The first major revamp of the Xbox 360 dashboard had just happened. My friend had just spent 3 hours telling me about how powerful his console had just become. I was sitting there thinking, “So what you’re telling me is that they made it into a horribly neutered PC?” But I never had the heart to tell him. Console gamers have such fragile egos.
The amount of money console gamers spend for their hardware is retarded! They pay a $10 premium on their games, and to top it all off the Xbox kiddies have to pay for Multiplay access?! ( current argument not valid for PS3). Then they have the balls to try and tell me what they’re paying for is somehow more powerful, and cheaper then building a budget gaming rig! ( $400 all in for the hardware, and I get to play with 64 players online!) But in the same breath they tend to complain about PC’s being hard to maintain, less reliable (red ring anyone?), full of cheaters, etc. Time to take the blinders off people! You have become what you’ve ridiculed! I’m so enjoying this! Hypocrites!

Matt

On September 19, 2012 at 10:31 am

I switched to PC gaming last year and will never go back to console gaming. I built my own desktop and yes it was expensive but all my games play at max settings, look great, never crash and run excellently. Steam is brilliant, games are cheaper, online gaming is better (less ty 12 year olds) and the customization is endless (eg skyrim). I still have my PS3 but to be honest, I don’t know why. I suppose its for multiplayer when a couple of friends come over which is much easier on a console but other than that, it really doesnt make sense not to play on PC if you have the cash to get a good; maybe even just a reasonable PC.

Chris

On June 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm

Totally agree. I built a gaming PC recently that blows my PS3 out of the water. Just wish developers would stop making console exclusives. I’ve got a PS3, but I want to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, etc. on my PC.

Daniel

On May 18, 2014 at 9:29 pm

lol one thing I keep reading on here that makes me giggle is people saying its hard to get pc games to work all the time. Let me just point out that most of those issues are due to upgrades in the operating system I.E. one version windows XP to another version windows 7.

The fact remains that even though issues exist with getting an old game to play on new software and hardware. I.E. 64 bit proccessors/os’s or 4gb video cards. They do actually work in the end.

Where as For consoles a change of a complete O/S would be the equivalent of a PS1 > and PS3 To which the majority of the time you can not play any of your old games on the new system. Not because its not possible but because they don’t want you to. If you could play a PS1 game on a PS4 with better graphics due to advanced hardware you might not buy that shiny 60 dollar game from the store when they want you to.

backwards comparability is one of the biggest and in my opinion Irredeemable flaws of the console market in general. Where as PC gamers and developers go out of there way to ensure games are compatible with older o/s’s Making third party patches, fixes, guides, and even rewriting entire executable files.

The sheer staggering idea that every new console they take away all the money you spent on the previous system and laugh at you when you have to buy all new games…. Why would you deliberately put yourself thought that unless you have cash to burn to own and maintain every console. Why would anyone even want to have 10 consoles so they can play all there old games? especially when you can play them all on one computer…