Friday Flame Wars: Does BioWare Deserve Another Chance with ME4?

BioWare recently came out and asked us not to refer to the next Mass Effect game as Mass Effect 4, and that doing so would do the game a disservice. This sparked some debate in our community on a different topic — does BioWare deserve another chance?

For years, BioWare was held in high regard and deserved the reputation it built up for itself. In the last year or two, it’s done a great deal to damage that reputation — perhaps irrevocably — and when presented with opportunities to redeem itself, it didn’t exactly hit a home run.

But, based on the years of goodwill it developed with players, does BioWare deserve another chance to set things right with Mass Effect 4, or has it already struck out three times? Whether it deserves another chance or not, will you give BioWare another chance?

Have at it.

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46 Comments on Friday Flame Wars: Does BioWare Deserve Another Chance with ME4?

pooleboy87

On February 8, 2013 at 11:42 am

“based on the years of goodwill it developed with players”

Two letters have a great effect on that statement. E. A.

In the past couple of years we’ve seen the controversy involving the ending and their “artistic integrity”, the forcing of multiplayer into the franchise (as well as the BS “cross-platform” mobile game), DA:II, and the crap with SWTOR, and it’s move to F2P (and the subsequent effort to break the game unless people pay, and to nickle-and-dime for everything they subsequently can).

BioWare is NOT the same company that built up all of that goodwill. Casey Hudson and John Riccitiello have done nothing to elicit more “chances” from me, beyond making good games and not trying to empty every dime from my pocket in the process.

joe

On February 8, 2013 at 11:44 am

Honestly the damage they did to the Mass Effect franchise irreversible. I have absolutely no interest in any new product with the Bioware logo on it.

SevenCell

On February 8, 2013 at 11:45 am

FLAME ON!
I want to buy another Mass Effect game. I do. I want more from the people who painted Illium, who modelled the Normandy, who wrote every single character that we see in the universe. (I also want Jack Wall back as chief composer, but I suppose that’s unlikely to happen.)
I do NOT want another excuse to line the pockets of megalomaniacal publishers, or their lapdogs for a piece of drivel that’s been squeezed hurriedly out of the developmental rectum after being cast in an old, tired mould.
I don’t normally act on reviews, but when ME4 hits, I for one will hang fire until the Gamefront review comes out.

Kazoo

On February 8, 2013 at 11:59 am

There’s no such thing as “giving them another chance.” There’s only the option for them to “take another chance.”

All they can do it make more product and hope it’s good enough to bring back their disillusioned customers. Even the most rabid ME3 ending haters will probably step up and purchase another BW game, if it’s well received.

Refusing outright to purchase any future BW games is just hurting yourself.

Axetwin

On February 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm

Game developers are only as good as their last game. Sure if a company happens to have a string of hit games, then the odds of players blindly buying their next game is higher. Obviously, players wont just buy the next game released by a company that has fallen from the good graces. However, if that next actually does happen to be good, then word will get around and players will buy it. Naturally, this really only works with high profile developers like Bioware and Bethesda for example.

David

On February 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm

They can take another shot all they want, doesn’t mean we necessarily will buy it.

That said, if they go out and actually find a way to fix what was broke/avoid making similar mistakes/redeem themselves in general, I would love to have an interest in this series again. Do I think it will happen? Honestly no, not really. The mistakes that were made in finishing off the original story were quite major, and like I said back then, seriously damaged any sort of continuation of that universe.

But bioware is free to surprise me. And I hope they can. I’m just not going to hold my breath in the meantime.

Swcloud99

On February 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm

I don’t even care anymore so that tells you something.
If they want another chance, they’ll have have to make me.

Hams And Witch

On February 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm

No, they do not. Now, if the question had been whether the original founders, who have since jumped ship, could succeed with a phoenix company employing some of the same staff, the answer’s yes. But the names Mass Effect, BioWare, Casey Hudson, and Mac Walters are now industry kisses of death.

gildesh

On February 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm

Well, let me explain, as a member of the minority who don’t see things so sceptical.

I’m not so sceptical, but not optimistic, either. When I played Mass Effect first time, I fell in love with it. I love space opera and science fiction and role-palying games, and Mass Effect was far more rewarding for me then I could have imagined before. I was really interested in the world, the story, the characters, and I read every single planet description in the galaxy map and every codex entry. When Mass Effect 2 came out, I was disappointed in the lack of RPG elements, but the characters, the music, and the overall atmosphere simply blowed me. I considered myself a Mass Effect fan, and I recommended the game to everyone in my circle of friends.

I tell all this things because I want to illustrate how I was shocked by the last ca. ten minutes of the third episode. I was very pissed of, and yes, I felt myself betrayed. I joined the “Change The Ending” movement, signed the petitions, I really liked the Indoctrination Theory. And then the Extended Cut came out, I was like “Meh, it’s somehing”. I think the overall protest, criticism, and objection from the Mass Effect gamer community is actually reasonable and justified, and I agree with it.

But what I feel now when I see the (*clears his throat) constant complaining of the ex-fans is that someone just taking it too personally and too seriously. I don’t think it’s really worth the infinite grumbling, and I think it’s starting to be inconsequent. If one considers ME franchise dead, then why does she still visit websites and comment the news about it? I believe because she’s still angry, but is still interested, too, even while she’s stating the opposite. In my opinion, if Mass Effect is dead, if one would like to express her ultimate disappointment, then the best way to do it is to ignore it. The best way to punish EA, Bioware, or any other member of the market pool is not advertising them, because even the non-stop complaining about the franchise makes the company believe that the gamers are still interested in it, and the company is right, because gamers are still interested. Scandal is one of the best advertisement, and the audiency’s indignation serves it continually. So if you want to give voice to your disappointment, it sounds paradox, but you should stop talking about Mass Effect, or attach some productive criticism to your complain. Because every aspect of the failure has already been disputed, and EA/Bioware made the decision, even so it was against the majority’s opinion. They listened, and then decided.

So, after all, if you say Bioware doesn’t deserve another chance, then I think it’s time to stop caring about Mass Effect news in the future, and let those people talk who are still interested in. Otherwise, Mass Effect becomes the Justin Bieber of videogames, whom everyone knows mostly because of the “haters” (I hate this word).

That’s my opinion.

mineda

On February 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm

If it’s really good, I will probably buy it. ME3 taught me that it’s not safe to blindly buy games based on past iterations. It’s not a bad game, just not a game I liked (and I loved the previous ones).
Nowadays, I prefer to wait for reviews from sites I trust (like this one) and price drops (usually both).

GazH

On February 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm

I think if Bioware makes another Mass Effect game then they’ve made the biggest mistake of their career. After the uproar over the ending of ME3 it would be beyond stupid to try and create another game in the same universe, people just aren’t going to trust it. They should instead move to a completely new universe, create something completely different, put Mass Effect behind them and move on.

After the mess that was Mass Effect 3, I have no interest in purchasing any future products set in that universe, just like I haven’t touched any DLC that has been released for ME3. Move on, Bioware. You made a mistake, put it behind you and create something new and exciting, that’s the only way I’ll be giving them another chance.

lol

On February 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm

Of course I’m buying Mass Effect 4, why the would I not? The same people ing and moaning come from the same stem of people that cry about never buying another Call of Duty title again yet they end up buying it because.

ITS A GREAT GAME AND AMAZING PRODUCT.

I just hope they add more MP content and focus more on MP this time around, I’m willing to pay for it along with the majority of people who bought the game to begin with.

Sigh

On February 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm

lol – we know you’re buying Mass Effect 4, but that’s because you’re the most blinkered, wide-eyed little industry fanboy on this site, with no original or educated thoughts on what’s going on, and a stubborn refusal to even acknowledge let alone engage with why BioWare has lost so much credibility in the last year lest the safety of your naive views be challenged by things like facts, evidence, or ethics.

Aedelric

On February 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm

How many chances does someone deserve? Depends how passionately you feel, for some that are really passionate they would never forgive even one mistake, just like a crossed lover. For others that are more relaxed or less passionate they could forgive two or so missteps. But you would be a fool to be crossed three times and let it happen again.

For a lot of people Dragon Age 2 was strike one, some consider Star Wars the Old Republic strike two, and some more consider Mass Effect 3 strike three. If all one cares about is a single franchise, they they may forgive more easily as they only see one mistake

Unfortunately I have been crossed twice as DA/ME were my favorite franchises, now they are damaged goods and I am unlikely to forgive Bioware for that. So I tackle it in the only way I can as a consumer, by not buying products from them. Not all is bad, I still have, Bethesda, Obsidian, CD Projekt and a number of other great developers to fall back on.

Aedelric

On February 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm

@lol

“Of course I’m buying Mass Effect 4, why the would I not?”

You are pledging to purchase a product you literally know nothing about, not even the name. That is by definition stupidity of the highest degree, which of course you are entitled to do. But I do suggest waiting till you are more informed before professing your intention of purchase.

I admire your continued faith in Bioware, but such devotion does make you look a bit silly.

Zach

On February 8, 2013 at 4:04 pm

I think the question is EA squeezing all the money from the mass effect universe?…yes yes they are.

Lee

On February 8, 2013 at 6:05 pm

I’m open to a sequel to Mass Effect. Hopefully this time they have learned from there mistakes.

TheDog

On February 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm

gildesh@ Let me point something out. The fact that people still cry foul at Bioware for Mass Effect, shows just how much they loved it. For a lot of people, it’s a wound that still cuts deep. The fact that sites like this constantly put up things like this, makes it hard for one to forget, let alone forgive. Look at the sheer number of people still complaining. That alone should be enough to tell you it won’t die down anytime soon, and that you’re simply wasting your breath trying to talk anyone out of it. The fact that Bioware gave the fans the finger, and have never once admitted to being wrong. That finger stills still stands tall in the face of their fans, and they are still PO’d about it.
If someone r.a.p.e.d your dog, than smiled at you and flipped you the finger, walked away and said it was for the best, and you could do nothing about it, you’ld be PO’d too. Besides, if people didn’t still vent here, it would be dead except for the fanboys “of course I ‘ll buy it. I’m a mindless trolling puppet”. We don’t want them thinking all’s forgiven do we?
Point is. As long as sites put out articles like this, reminding them of there poor dog. People are going to vent, and it will go on for a lot longer than this, So prepare.

Patches

On February 8, 2013 at 10:19 pm

Strike one: Dragon Age 2…
Strike two: Star Wars: KotOR…
Strike three: Mass Effect 3…
Aggravating factor: C&C General 2. A new developper team, created from scratch got the name Bioware Victory, probably just to capitalize on the ‘Bioware’ name…

3 strikes, you’re out…

That said, I try to keep an open mind (more like a life philosophy than a game specific), but you can be sure that I’ll will not pre-order, I’ll not buy on release and I’ll read long and hard any feedbacks of anything done by Bioware from now on…

Tough luck Bioware, but you squander too much on the altar of bad decisions, EA influencing you (the 1 day DLC and gereral greedy feel) and putting peoples with big egos at the top…
That said, please feel free to surprise us by making games that capture the vibe of your glorious days, like Dragon Age Origin or the 1st KotOR…

PS: As for naming ME4 or not, sorry but until we know more about the future ME game, it will still be ME4 (4th ME game, after all)… And it will be closely compared to the original trilogy (and especially the infamous 3rd, ‘final’ one)…

psycros

On February 8, 2013 at 10:21 pm

Bioware is dead to me, just as it is to the majority of their former fans. The attitudes of the devs and EA execs show clearly their living in denial and a desperate state of self-delusion. We all know the studio is one major failure away from being shut down. Here’s my prediction: they’ll announce a new always-online cash store money grab based on one of their franchises – oh, I mean “online worlds”. It will do poorly and EA will almost immediately begin dismantling what’s left of the entity known as Bioware. Eulogies will be written and the speculation will begin: how long before EA itself joins Bioware on the ash heap of companies that were run into the ground by greedy fools? We’re entering the post-publisher era where most of the great games will come from Kickstarter and similar cooperative efforts. The industry is driving customers away with its attempts to monetize every click of a mouse or controller.

MPSewell

On February 8, 2013 at 10:45 pm

Everybody deserves another chance in the gaming world. Any single game can be great even if everything else that developer creates is pure garbage.

The question isn’t whether or not they deserve another chance, as any company can make any game it likes and it will rise and fall on its merit (and the skill of the PR department). The question is whether or not gamers should trust the company enough to pre-order the game, or engage in other such activities that denote implicit trust in the product and the company creating it.

Given their recent track-record, the answer to that question is an unequivocal NO.

Wesker1984

On February 8, 2013 at 11:12 pm

Yes they deserve it! Bring on the next Mass Effect game! Thinking otherwise just because of a little mistake they made in chapter three make YOU stupid.

R.J.

On February 8, 2013 at 11:31 pm

Bioware’s previous record means I’ll at least keep my ears open for news, but I’m done pre-ordering from them, and since they’ll always be under the thumb of EA, I won’t be able to trust that there won’t be DLC or MP shoehorned into a game. I simply can’t ignore how much of a step down DA2 was, or the ending of ME3, and I definitely can’t forget Bioware doing so much to downplay the problems rather than honestly discussing them. As I’ve said before, it’s easy to engage with the customers when they sing your praises, but the real test is when there is genuine criticism of serious flaws. With several many long-time employees leaving Bioware after EA bought them, it seems like the fans aren’t the only ones that know something changed, and not for the better.

TheDog

On February 9, 2013 at 2:07 am

R.J.@ I admire your spirit, but you have to face facts. This isn’t the same Bioware that put out all those good games. This is not your fathers Bioware. This is the new, less improved Bioware. Don’t know if you watch the Walking Dead series. Well in one scene, a doctor shows what happens to the brain when the disease runs it’s course. It attacks the brain and kills it. When the person is finally reanimated, the brain is dead and only the brain stem is active. So logical thought process is no longer possible.
Well, I kind of feel this is what has happened to Bioware. No logical thought process is capable with them anymore. Just hunger. Hunger for money. EA infected them and like the Walking Dead, once infected, there’s no saving them.
They are now the Walking Unbioware. Shambling husks of a once great company. Or if your into Resident Evil. Think of EA as the Umbrella Corp. Destroying all in the name of profit. Either way, Bioware is dead.

sep

On February 9, 2013 at 2:46 am

Marauder Shields > Bioware

Nuff Said.

Mike Black

On February 9, 2013 at 10:36 am

Bioware’s next chance to win back some of their former fans will come with Dragon Age 3. A good game and a good will towards the community on behalf of Bioware will open a door or two.
But when ME4 time comes they really need to examine the past and deal their fans with honesty and understanding.
They have to avoid doing those old PR tricks they do now, it only makes the problem worse. They say they listen but it seems that they only listen to the praises of their fanboys and not to many fans that continually offer constructive criticism, there are ofcourse some angry fans there.

Die

On February 9, 2013 at 10:36 am

Wesker1984 – no, junior. Constantly deluding yourself into thinking that it was a ‘mistake’ makes YOU look like a complete and utter moron. People like you are destroying the industry with your unwavering denial of anything that doesn’t completely kiss BioWare’s arse. The fact that you think this is something to take pride in says it all. You and ‘lol’ are scourges to an industry you claim to love.

Jason

On February 9, 2013 at 11:59 am

After the debacle that was Mass Effect 3, having ruined the trilogy for me, I’m really rather hoping they do well with 4.

gasmaskangel

On February 9, 2013 at 1:14 pm

Even with all of the problems with ME3 and DA2, I still genuinely liked most of those two games. Hell, if it wasn’t for the ending of ME3 I would have held it up as one of the greatest works of science fiction I’ve ever seen.

The fact is there is a lot of talent at Bioware, however since partnering with EA they’ve also been showing some troubling behavior, such as on disk day one DLC that really should have been part of the main campaign, rushed production schedules, tacking on unnecessary multiplayer , abysmal customer relations, and the less said about Jessica Chobot the better in my opinion.

I personally do intend to give them the benefit of the doubt, although I won’t be pre-ordering their games or buying them on day one anymore. I also really doubt that I will ever play another game set in the Mass Effect universe as that book is now closed to me.

I believe that Bioware can regain a lot of their lost goodwill if they are willing to distance themselves from the kind of problems we’ve seen come up in their last few games.

GarynDakari

On February 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm

TOR and ME3 aren’t even close to being as bad as people say they are. They’re imperfect, sure, but still good games. I haven’t played DA2(The other controversial one…), so I don’t have an opinion on that. Honestly, people are really overreacting. People and companies make mistakes, they have their ups and their downs. I’ll admit that BioWare is in a “low point” of theirs lately, but come on, Mass Effect 2 came out just two years ago, and that game was freakin’ amazing. The reason for this backlash is probably because BioWare has been nearly flawless up until this point – Baldur’s Gate, Baldur’s Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2…

Those are 7 classic and loved games, and even IF I thought ME3 was horrible, I wouldn’t hate BioWare, and yes, I would definitely give them a “second chance”. A company can’t stay flawless forever. I mean, look at Pixar, up until a couple years ago, ALL their movies were great. Then their latest movies, Cars 2 and Brave, were less than stellar. Should we boycott Pixar as well? Because they DARED to release something that was less than amazing? And lets say, hypothetically, Half-Life 3 is released, but it’s not very good. Up until this point, Valve has never made a bad SP game(IMO), and Half-Life is my favorite series of all time. It’d be extremely disappointing, but I wouldn’t act like it was the end of the world, and I CERTAINLY wouldn’t boycott Valve.

I also think that ME3 would have been a great game with another 6 months or so of development(My biggest complaint with that game wasn’t the ending, but a lot of smaller things just felt rushed). People are acting like it’s been forever since BioWare did anything good, but their last amazing game was only 2 YEARS AGO. Come on, people. You’re grossly overreacting to all of this. Humans make mistakes and missteps. BioWare’s only been having troubles in very recent years, they could very well return to their former glory.

James

On February 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm

No. No, no no no NO. Being a single bloke I have a relatively generous budget for my PC gaming needs but that doesn’t mean i’m going to throw good money out the window.

Dragon Age 2 was a pathetic effort, obviously cut well short of it’s potential in a rush to put it on the shelves. ME3 was little different, the developers had completely lost touch with their fanbase and were allowed to release a product which left their core fans sorely disappointed.

I would rather roll up some tobacco in a pair of £20 notes and smoke it than waste money on another DA or ME game, it’d certainly be more fun! BioWare, as far as I am concerned, may crawl into the same corner as Interplay and fade away.

TheDog

On February 9, 2013 at 6:09 pm

GarynDakari@ Your funny…………. What your saying might be true if it was indeed the same Bioware that made those games, but, as was pointed out earlier, it’s not. It’s a bunch of fresh faces that haven’t had the same track record as the earlier Bioware. Mass Effect 2 is the last of your list, and the last decent game made. I say decent, because it is by far the least favorite of all the games you mentioned. The took all the rpg elements to the game and made it a straigh corridor shooter. That really ticked me off. I’m a rpg man. I will admit, I still enjoyed the game as a shooter.
You should at least be worried with all the top Bioware men leaving ( the good ones at least). That alone should tell you the actual state of Bioware. And no, there aren’t going to say the true reasons for leaving, because they still have hope for Bioware, just not enough to stay.
Then how they handled criticism, should be another warning sign. Would the old Bioware have handled it the same way. Why? Because for one, they wouldn’t have needed to. They had self respect, not arrogance.
Sorry but your argument has no merit. R.I.P. Bioware.

GarynDakari

On February 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm

@TheDog: The leaders have left, sure, but much of the same team is still there. Though yes, that is worrisome, as is the fact that they’re owned by EA…An unfortunate reality that I really wish wasn’t so. Still, like I said, it’s only been two years since their last(IMO) great game, so I’m still looking forward to their next game, and wishing them the best.

As for ME2 not being a proper RPG…I’ll agree that it’s not a traditional RPG, like KotOR, NWN or DA: O were, but it had far more choices, branching plots, and RP possibilities than Jade Empire or ME1 had. The only thing more RPG-ish about ME1 than 2 was all the armor you could get and the gun modification(Which returned in a better form in ME3).

R.J.

On February 10, 2013 at 1:56 pm

@TheDog

I have to agree that the number of higher ranking employees that have left BioWare in the time since EA bought them is a big problem. Obviously, the employees are in the best position to know what is really going on over there, and it is rather telling that several chose to leave. When a lead designer like Brent Knowles, who has been with the company since games like Baldur’s Gate, leaves early in the development of DA2 saying that, “Bioware is no longer the company I remember,” I can only be concerned. Sure, there are other long-time employees that are still there, but I’m not exactly filled with confidence when these are the same people that oversaw the development of things like the ME3 ending, or more importantly, the PR blunders that followed.

Oldguy67

On February 10, 2013 at 2:04 pm

As ME3 stands now,

No.

It will be a cold day on Omega before I even consider buying a new, full-priced game from them. Giving Bioware a chance means I put myself at risk of being insulted again and that’s not a risk I should have to take, especially for a $60 investment.

Bioware can set things right with it’s ME3 dlc. While I cringe at the thought of paying for a new ending to the story, I would buy a new ending to ME3. I would gladly purchase an ending that provides closure and respects the player’s time and effort put into the game, such as the MEHEM ending PC mod created by fans and that I use for my ending (link: http://youtu.be/SQEofXDuxAQ).

With that said I love ME and the universe. So my plan of action is to maybe down the road pick-up ME4 when its in the bargain bin at $15 or less, providing it looks interesting and it reviews well.

Capios

On February 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm

It wasn’t just their arrogance during the Old Republic beta test (anyone who helped test that flop knows what I mean) and launch that killed Bioware. Nor was it solely their indifference when Ending-gate started that did it. What truly killed Bioware was when they began openly attacking fans for criticizing the ME3 “ending”. Casey Hudson in particular. That was the death knell. There’s lots more examples (locking forums, DA2, etc etc.) but those were the most damaging to their reputation, IMO.

Bruce

On February 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm

1st they need to fire their PR department. The handling of that fiasco was just wonderful, so that’s probably the best olive branch they could give.

Either way, I’ll wait for review before even considering buying their next Mass Effect game.

Roy Batty

On February 10, 2013 at 8:19 pm

If they show humility then I would buy it (though I am with RJ…no fking pre-order). But alas they have thus far shown absolutely no humility and like all prima donnas refuse to acknowledge the extreme f@#kover they gave fans (in particular ones that had a lot of hours invested in the previous two product). They had to hire a PR firm to smooth things over but that is not freaking good enough (required since the dev team was unable to contain its man-child behavior).

If I see no humility not even a begrudging “some fans were upset” then I will skip it. Unlike Alexander I will not weep because there are other words to conquer.

If ME4 (or whatever), 5, and 6 turn out to be good I will wait until EA comes out with a compilation pack until then I will not waste the time.

Mark my words what happened with ME3 will be taught in technical schools and universities where there are game development courses…as an example of what NOT to do just like Deus ex Invisible war.

For their boldness in trying to end things in a unique way the dev team should be commended. For their brash unrepentant response and for putting the franchise in jeopardy they should all be fired.

TheDog

On February 11, 2013 at 8:15 pm

GarynDakari@ No, not from the days of most the games mentioned, there aren’t. Mass Effect 2 maybe, but not much of the rest. Honestly,,,,,, how can you even call two or three rpg’s? One at least had that rpg feel. It also had more choices in your development. They trimmed that way down in two and three. For the most part,………. no, for all parts, Borderlands 2 had the same setup and they don’t have the delusions of calling their game an rpg. Same exect setup. Level up, adjust your skill tree. The ONLY difference is the renegade factor.
Personally to me, Borderlands 2 was a much better game than ME 3.
Read R.J.s post. He makes alot of sense with his expanding on most of the old guard leaving with what he said about Brent Knowles. It’s not the same Bioware he use to know.
Ok, I will admit that any company, if it tries hard enough, can somewhat redeem themselves. Only problem with that is the people in charge have to have the customer as there #1 priority, not the almighty dollar, yen, or peso (with all the others included). And I don’t see EA even able to take that road. Their focus has always been on the dollar. Never the customer. According to them, everybody wants Multiplayer, whether we do or not. So while yes, I would give them maybe a 4% chance of redemption. I don’t think it will happen.(would have been much higher if EA wasn’t in the picture).

TheDog

On February 11, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Oh yeah. Forgot to mention. ME at least had the feel of exploration. Two and three took that completely away. Turned them into simple corridor shooters. Same basic thing they did to DA 2 as well. They held your hand and guided you by not letting your leave the beatin path. That alone drops them in my eyes. I wanted an rpg ( or at least something close), not a corridor shoot em up. And by corridor shoot ( although I’m sure you already know, but just making sure we’re on the same page) I mean, you have to take this path or this path. Look the path branches off. Wow, we’re really exploring now. No more wandering of meandering. Not too fond of those kind of games. Thats one reason people liked Skyrim so much. (could have used maybe a little more of a guiding hand but hey, still a great game.)

b0j4ngles

On February 11, 2013 at 9:11 pm

My problem is that the endings to ME3 (and actually lots of parts of ME3′s story) were so bad that they have ruined the lore. It is now impossible to take the lore seriously because it is bound to be inconsistent and ridiculous. For lots of other game series like Halo or Resident Evil, this is not so big a deal because it is expected that you won’t have to make an investment in the story in order to enjoy the game.

Mass Effect is different. The story is everything. This was the problem I had with World of Warcraft. Blizzard ruined their series’ lore to the point where there was no point in paying attention to story at all. If they don’t take themselves seriously, why should I?

Will I never play another ME game under any circumstances? No, I could be talked into another go at it if the next one is awesome, but what are the chances of that honestly? All indications are that Bioware now sucks. Their last 3 games sucked and their next one will probably suck too. CDProjectRed is where my money’s at now.

Zoffer

On February 12, 2013 at 8:41 am

Yes it does

Ted

On February 12, 2013 at 8:52 am

Well I am going to wait for more information about this before I pass any judgement.

Hemlock3630

On February 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Does Bioware deserve another chance?

Yes.

But will I be blindly preordering any more ME games?

No. I will wait until reviews come out (and not the self-identified review sites that pander to the publishers).
If I miss out on, or have to pay extra for bundled ‘treats’ to entice a pre-order? Well, then so I give them some extra $ or miss out all together.

Since the ending of ME3, and the very cut-scene heavy ME3, and Biowares response to fan reaction…I just haven’t been able to go back through the ME games…and it was a great Sci-Fi universe, with great lore, and characters. (I mean, I CRIED during the games and shouted at the screen…out LOUD!)

But no matter how much hate I piled onto ME3….I hold out hope that Bioware can make a come back. I’ll watch from the sidelines, and then jump in once my concerns have been answered sufficiently.

To me ME3 was strike 1.
I didn’t play SWTOR, and I didn’t hate on DA2 as much as others (yes, stuff was wrong with it, and obviously rushed, but I still found it enjoyable, the DLC for it was done much better) so maybe you could say Bioware has 1.25 strikes with me.

I’ll be waiting to see what the next SP mode DLC is for ME3. I haven’t yet bought any ME3 DLC, and won’t, unless the next (or the last) SP DLC does something about the ending, otherwise, why bother?

MetalicSoul

On February 11, 2014 at 7:45 pm

Short answer no, long answer hell no. They lost their chance to make amends but instead acted like complete jerks and blamed fans, they deserve no chance at all and should burn for what they done.

hrulpe

On June 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm

I think it does not matter what they do with the next instalment in the ME series. It is very unlikely that it will be a financial success. The controversy with the horribly botched ending to ME3 (and the ridiculous reactions to the criticism, and the half-assed attempt to fix it by the download) more or less ruined the entire ME universe. I cannot even replay the earlier games without feeling disappointed, knowing how the third game ends.

For this reason I (and most of my gamer friends), feel that there is really no point in ever returning to this series. You’ve killed the series, there is no point in trying to save the IP by making a new story in the same universe. It has all lost its attraction and enjoyment due to ME3. They would be better of making a completely new sci-fi game, in a completely new universe, and make sure that it can not in any way connected to ME.

They are of course still going to make a ME4 no matter what people say. But I believe they will be surprised at how little it will sell. Hey, I’ve already paid for three games and some dlc. But that now have no value to me, and I’m certainly not going to pay for another one. Not even if it gets raving reviews.

Which is a pity, because I really liked that story, untill I got to the endd of ME3