Friday Flame Wars: Does Xbox DRM Reversal Change Your Mind?

Last week, you agreed that regardless of who won E3, Microsoft lost. Yesterday, Microsoft caved and removed the Xbox One’s DRM. The always-online (or rather, periodically-online) requirement is gone, as well as the bans on used games, and lending and trading between friends.

The question is — is this too little too late for Microsoft, or does the Xbox One actually now stand a chance in the next-gen console war? Does Microsoft’s capitulation change your opinion of the console? If you weren’t planning on buying an Xbox One, will you now?

What do you think? Have at it.

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27 Comments on Friday Flame Wars: Does Xbox DRM Reversal Change Your Mind?

Red Menace

On June 21, 2013 at 9:10 pm

Too late. If I were buying a console next generation, it wouldn’t be an Xbox.

Jay

On June 21, 2013 at 9:30 pm

To be blunt, I’ve gone from:

“No ‘effin way, take your always-online DRM anti-consumer product and stick it where the sun don’t shine.”

To:

“I’ll buy one, but 8-12 months after release, once the system has matured and there are enough games out for the system. Maybe after the hardware itself matures a bit as well.”

For me, it’s not about fanboyism.. I don’t have the patience for that. It’s about the games, the online functionality, and the controller. For every Playstation game I own, I have 4-5 Xbox Games. The controller is the worst part. I’m 6’1 with fairly large hands, the Playstation controller has always been very uncomfortable (for me) for everything but fighting & platform games.

Also, after 6-7 revisions of the Xbox 360 hardware (not just the external look), I’m in no rush to be a day-1 adopter. Let everything mature and have more games out than just Forza 5. The rest of what I’m interested in right now I can get on PC. Except maybe Destiny, but that doesn’t look that promising to me.

So yeah, I’ve gone from “Hell No!” to “Sure, but not right now.”.

William

On June 21, 2013 at 10:13 pm

Hmm no i still wouldn’t get it, don’t like the kinect requirement and indies needing a publisher.

Chris

On June 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm

If anything its actually pushed me farther away

Everything console gamers pushed against exists on my primary platform, the PC, with the exception of the 24 hour check-in. that was a wee-bit much, just ask ubisoft. but the digital DL’s and the CD , i have dealt with that for years.

now as a PC gamer i dont really even care about used games, as steam just throws deals a me left and right. hell i get games at 50 bucks base, with a extra 5 bucks off for pre-ordering. $45 AAA games on launch day is something console gamers cant touch. combine that with no taxes means that i spend far less than a console gamer.

ALL of that is available to me because there is NO used game market. (Literally. you dont even need to charge taxes online in the U.S. unless you have a store in state, so steam pretty much doesnt charge tax ever.) this means that developers can post games cheaper, and we can have these massive sales a few months post release.

they dont need to worry about SteamStop shoving used games down peoples throats, thus not seeing a penny of the sale. and because they dont have the extra revenue music and movies have (DVD sales, licencing rights, theaters, radio, etc) and live off that single point sale, this literally kills them. on steam we just get sales and the developer/publisher get money still. 400 games sold at $15 is better than 50 at 60

Chris

On June 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm

CDkeys *

goose2989

On June 21, 2013 at 10:36 pm

No; I’ll be purchasing either a PS4 or a nice gaming PC

Rexsabbage

On June 21, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Regardless of the reversal the utter contempt displayed by Microsoft has eroded any and all good will I had toward them. They did not change these draconian policies out of the goodness of their hearts nor did they receive a pang of consciousness. It was how people were berating the console and at the same time flocking to competitor’s that made them reverse course. Given that I cant not and will not support them.

R.J.

On June 21, 2013 at 10:46 pm

Nope. Telling potential customers to take a hike when they say they don’t like your DRM policy, rather than trying to explain why they thought it was necessary, and then only changing those policies when it was clear that Sony stomped them at E3 just shows how little MS cares about customers. The focus of their system as an “entertainment” machine instead of a “gaming” machine doesn’t help. Even though they changed policies, it shouldn’t have been an issue to start with, and the fact that they listened to the competition rather than gamers means they get nothing from me.

Axetwin

On June 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm

No, but then again I made my decision not to buy the next gen Xbox console long before it was even announced. I could go into a long rant about the gradual build up of dislike for Microsoft over the span of 5 years that culminated in a verbal explosion of “are you f^ucking kidding me with this sh*t” last year. However, I can sum it up. I don’t like the way Microsoft runs Xbox Live. Between charging you extra for features you already have to pay a secondary fee to use and charging you to use features they have no right to charge you to use. I feel Xbox Live is a giant scam that punishes you for not buying into it.

No[pe

On June 22, 2013 at 12:21 am

no

Luther

On June 22, 2013 at 12:49 am

If they would allow people to play online with the xbox without needing a Live gold account then I could see myself maybe buying one but that is just it, I feel like there trying to nickle and dime me to death so no more.

sep

On June 22, 2013 at 4:28 am

You guys know what topped it all off and I’m guessing, probably put off many others as well, was when some smart mouth moron from Microsoft said something along the lines of – ‘Those without an internet connection can still play on the older Xbox’.

Seriously LOL. He definitely needed to be fired.

Slippy

On June 22, 2013 at 4:29 am

Damage limitation. You’re a fool if you think it’s customer loyalty. Don’t touch Xbone with a barge pole.

Axetwin

On June 22, 2013 at 5:16 am

@ sep – Which time? The first time Adam Orth said it a month-ish ago and was fired for it. But then last week some Microsoft PR guy pretty much repeated it verbatim in an official statement.

matthew s

On June 22, 2013 at 5:27 am

nope it makes no difference. for the following reasons

1) they said the online check in was necessary and couldn’t be removed. but lo and behold when sony hand them their asses at E3 and the complete lack of pre orders for the XB1 they remove the DRM.

2) Microsoft have shown a complete lack of respect bordering on complete and utter contempt for their customers summed up with the attitude of Adam Orth who was canned for his statement about XB1 despite it being close to the party line. Not forgetting Don Mattick telling people if they had unreliable internet to buy a 360.

3) I don’t want a Keniect but if I was to buy a XB1 I wouldn’t be able to use it without the sensor. why not have a model without the sensor.

4) Given microsofts attitude towards its customers whats stopping them from slapping all the DRM back on further down the line.

ill stick with sony because at least they were honest.

Patches

On June 22, 2013 at 9:44 am

Well, there still the price and the always on Kinect that bother me…

And a potential Red Ring of Death, like at Xbox 360 launch…
To be fair, I don’t think PS4 is immune to that potential problem…

Troy G.

On June 22, 2013 at 11:14 am

I forsee the DRM issue returning. I dont know how long, maybe 6 months, maybe over 1 year after everybody has dropped countless money on games.

I am usually not a paranoid person or one that believes big brother is watching every move, but for a electronic device company to tell me that my new device must have a camera and microphone enabled and then tell me that the same device must automatically connect to the internet once every 24 hours, hmmmmmmm.

Lastly, I don’t want a kinect!! I don’t want a playstation move!!! When I sit down to play a video game, I just want to veg out and play the game!!! If I wanted interaction where I have to do work, I would buy a Wii Fit!!!!

Babaganoosh13

On June 22, 2013 at 3:22 pm

They still have farther to go IMO.

I have no need, want or desire to have Kinect on my system. Take $100 off, and remove that thing.

Also, I think they would be better served embracing self-published indies, with a much better designed marketplace for them. That would make more good games available for it.

Side note, more about MS itself: Get lost with the PC DRM. There is no need for Shadowrun Returns, and the other indie games that they publish on PC to have to have it. Let them sell it on GOG, Humble Store ect. if they want. That is something in general is a big strike against MS to me, and makes me less likely to want to give them money.

gasmaskangel

On June 22, 2013 at 4:31 pm

As it stands I’m not going to pick up either next gen console as they have yet to give me a reason to. All the big games that I’m excited for are also coming to PC and I will always be a pc gamer at heart.

That said I’ll wait and see what the landscape looks like a few years down the line after a price drop or two. Maybe they’ll release with something that I just can’t live without and I’ll cave and buy one or the other, but my choice is still weighted towards the PS4 because it doesn’t require an evil all seeing camera. My loathing for the kinect cannot be understated.

Bercilak

On June 22, 2013 at 7:20 pm

@Jay

I never liked the PS3 controller either (and I don’t even have large hands). When I had a PS3, I couldn’t bring myself to play it because of Sony’s controller, but I found this:

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/02/09/review-dreamgear-ps3-shadow-wireless-controller

It worked great when I had it. I got rid of my PS3 (and the controller) several years ago so I don’t know if they still make that one, but I’ve heard that this one is good, too:

http://gizmodo.com/5563483/power-a-makes-a-wireless-xbox-360-controller-for-the-ps3

Hope one of these does the trick for you.

Damien027

On June 22, 2013 at 8:08 pm

Yes but only to a certain degree, my disposition went from

“Hell yeah Xbox720! 4eva”
to
“You can stick those BS DRM straight you know where, I’ll never buy into any of that crap! you’ve lost a loyal fan & customer forever!”
to
“My friends & I have already pre-ordered a PS4 but maybe when there’s a price drop & enough exclusives to interest us we can forget you pulled this BS & be buddies again”

Huntsman06

On June 22, 2013 at 10:03 pm

This is why I will never, ever pre-order or buy a game console on launch day.

Everybody was against Microsoft after they announced the Xbox One and then at E3 when they neglected to make any changes, me included amongst those people. Although now, with some of the restrictions removed, I’m really looking at Xbox One and PS4 and trying to decide which would be better for me.

I’m a little bit shocked to see that after so many fans were angered by what Microsoft did, that they’re not the slightest bit happier when Microsoft completely changes they policies to fix what they have done.

My mind is kinda changed, I’m still not sure that the Xbox One is the next-gen console for me, but it’s definitely a candidate again.

Bercilak

On June 23, 2013 at 6:54 am

No, it hasn’t changed my mind. Microsoft’s decision made the Xbone less undesirable, but it’s still undesirable. It’s a slightly less powerful gaming machine than the PS4, has a mandatory peripheral that I not only don’t care for but that gives me the heebie-jeebies because of its surveillance capabilities, AND it costs $100 more (that’s two tanks of gas for my car or groceries for a couple of weeks). If Microsoft were to offer a Kinectless version for the same price as the PS4, I *might* consider it. As it stands now, however, Microsoft’s policy change hasn’t affected my decision at all.

Lil Poot

On June 23, 2013 at 8:38 am

I will. Microsoft has worked very hard on their product and tried something new. The consumer did not like it so they changed it. Trial and error. I will get one.

R.J.

On June 23, 2013 at 12:09 pm

@Axetwin

That is something that is so bizarre to me with this. Why force one guy out for telling people to “Deal with it,” when that was apparently the company line the whole time? But like Sep said, telling people to just stick with the 360 is probably the final straw for me. Last time I checked, the goal was to get people to want to buy your latest machine, not to tell them their business isn’t wanted.

Vivid8

On June 24, 2013 at 6:01 am

No thanks. First – M$ has shown its true colors, not that I had doubt, but this was blatant. It was insulting to me they thought what they were doing was even acceptable. Personally I think people should have been jailed for threatening human/customer rights in such a way, they were truly trying to remove some rights that people should inherently have, showing they didn’t believe those rights were inherent or ‘sacred’ shows a real moral/ethical chasm exists in those people much like Hitler had, be wary of those willing to trample your existence for their profit. It’s a snowball down hill now that it’s started, corporations won’t stop till we make them or until they succeed and remove ownership rights from the purchaser. Second – DRM aside, I own more than $500 worth of games (regardless of what gamestop tells me) on the 360, so I technically own more content than the X1 is worth at launch, yet they want me to keep my 360 to play my 360 games? Forget it, I only buy consoles to go forward, not to just get access to new stuff. I only bought the 360 cause back in the day it played all my Xbox classic games, same goes with the PS2 (i got a ps3 as a blu ray player on major discount so it doesn’t count, I didn’t buy it for gaming purposes). I refuse to buy a console just so I can still need to own the previous console just to do everything I want, that’s like buying a new car but being unable to sell the old car because both cars don’t entirely do everything you want. I don’t mind having a Ps4 and X1 both in my house, but I wont have an X1, Ps4 and a 360 just like I plan on handing down my Ps3 when I get my Ps4. Its stupid to own two consoles from one company because that company refuses to streamline the content experience for me, the paying customer. Remember when the customer ACTUALLY had control of what a product did because they made demands and if those demands weren’t met then people just didn’t BUY the damn thing? oh I miss those days. So no, I won’t spend money just to enable myself to spend MORE money, especially since you KNOW just like with xbox classic games on the 360, one day they’ll sell ALL those 360 games as downloadable games through LIVE that sell for FULL price. Instead of giving you backwards compatibility, they’ll obsolete your 360, make you throw away all those games and then re-sell them all to you online (at full retail price of course). Screw that. I paid for my games once, with an industry SO concerned with pirating they sure are giving people who VALUE their money plenty of reason to refuse to pay anything and just pirate the hell out of games. I paid for my games once, from this point if I ever have to ‘acquire’ them again, I won’t be paying for them. Before the Xbox One announcement, I was saving to reserve an X1 asap. After the ‘reveal’ I took that money and reserved a Ps4. As of right now, I have NO interest or intention of buying a Xbox One ever. Between a Ps4 and my PC (steam box) I can get almost everything the industry has coming I want, while I am interested in some of the X1 exclusives, no amount of exclusives will convince me to spend money on a scam. So as of now, I have no plans to buy an X1. IF they add FULL backwards compatiblity for FREE. Meaning I don’t have to pay a ‘one time’ or any time fee to convert or otherwise make ANY of my disc based OR arcade 360 games work, then I will immediately buy an Xbox One and at it to my collection.

SevenCell

On June 24, 2013 at 10:05 am

I honestly think it’s a mistake to say yes or no just yet (unless you’re doing it on principle, which it seems most of you are).
Wait a few months until they’ve both come down in price and they’ve both fleshed out their libraries.