Posted on January 23, 2008,

Gamers Strike Back Against Cooper Lawrence On Amazon

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*UPDATE* Unfortunately, Amazon is now deleting any one-star negative reviews of the book.

After hearing the offensive and biased attack against Mass Effect on Fox News, I decided to check out some links on Cooper Lawrence, the psychologist who took part in the biased strike on the game. I came across her book on Amazon.com titled ‘The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace with Your Inner Overachiever’. It was interesting to see that the page was full of one-star reviews of her book mostly coming from gamers. Shawn covered the topic HERE yesterday. This is definitely one of the reasons I love the internet. She may think that it’s ok to bash a product she has never used and gamers are now bashing a book they have never read to drop her book rating on Amazon. Currently, there over 40 negative reviews posted. Check out the Amazon link HERE if you’d like to throw your two cents in or to just read some of the funny comments against her. Personally, I would never purchase advice from a psychologist who doesn’t do research on the topics she talks about. If Fox News and other media outlets want a war against gaming, they’ve picked an industry full of hard-core fans who aren’t going to sit back and take it anymore.

Some of the witty comments included:

I am giving Ms. Lawrence a poor review because she makes assumptions that are not based on fact. During her Fox news report, she blatantly lied and completely misinformed the public. This is not acceptable behavior, and how does she expect me to read her book and believe what she has to say? She completely threw her credibility out the window. Mass Effect is a PG-13 game (and even that is pushing it, I’d consider it “PG”) that is “M” rated because the ESRB is harsher than the MPAA. I think she should denounce Rap music rather than things she knows nothing about. And her comment about knowing what young boys think is absolutely laughable at best.

I respect you, Ms. Lawrence, I really do, but please, do some research before you try to convince the public not to support something.

I caught her doing a segment on Fox News. She spent 3 minutes attacking a product she hadn’t used, and actually made assumptions about the quality and use of the product. I suppose when you are so busy trying to overachieve and look perfect, you don’t have time for fact checking. Shame.

Excuse me “Darling”, I guess I don’t have to read your book to bash it the same way you don’t have to play or even research a game you are talking about before you go on Fox News and spout your ignorance as fact. You are a moron and an attention [expletive deleted].

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139 Comments on Gamers Strike Back Against Cooper Lawrence On Amazon

Annom

On January 23, 2008 at 8:33 am

Here I am on your amazon, Bashing your book.

havoc of smeg

On January 23, 2008 at 8:44 am

i COULD show cooper lawrence the error of her ways.

but then i just think “what would be the point”.

weclock

On January 23, 2008 at 8:55 am

hahaha… brilliant.

Matt

On January 23, 2008 at 8:58 am

i just left a little review :smile: we gamers need to do our part!

used cisco

On January 23, 2008 at 9:18 am

Her bad behavior doesn’t excuse ours. While some of the comments are humorous, as well as accurate, I think this is a bad idea. If we go off and act like vengeful children, thats what we’ll be in the eyes of the masses.

The Dude

On January 23, 2008 at 9:20 am

Gamers are showing their teeth at last. About damn time. Internet Justice has been delivered.

Joelteon7

On January 23, 2008 at 9:37 am

As of posting this, some 50 or so comments on there have just been deleted. It’s a shame really, because there were some very well written comments, but alas I could only get through half of them before I noticed they were deleted.

Interesting though; we have no proof that those who rated it high (and remained up there) actually read it too, or weren’t for example friends. Of course that’s unlikely, but should still be considered.

IlluminatusV

On January 23, 2008 at 9:37 am

I checked AMAZON 2 min. ago. Right in the moment I tried to show all the 1 Star Reviews, AMAZON has deleted them. Just in that moment. There were about 51 bad reviews, that are now deleted.

SpiralGray

On January 23, 2008 at 9:40 am

Perhaps the appropriate action is for gamers to stop buying any of their hardware/software from Amazon.

Annom

On January 23, 2008 at 9:41 am

I’m not so sure I agree used Cisco I get what you mean act like children and be treated like children but hell we let a lot of things pass and we’re still treated like children, yeah we run on our forums and bash people who claim video games made me kill 7 people and 2 dogs but really we let it pass compared to the amount uprise we could make.

If we are already made to look like sex crazed immoral blood thirsty children and no matter how much we try to show that video games are just another form of entertainment then why not strike back? Because it will make us look bad? We already look bad no matter what we do it seems.

DeezNutz

On January 23, 2008 at 9:45 am

Hey watch Amazon take any negative press down from their website just like the religious nuts tell them.

Norbit

On January 23, 2008 at 9:45 am

The problem is that a lot of the people are writing personal attacks or ing about Mass Effect instead of just writing a bad review of the book.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 9:49 am

I’ll put up some of the quotes since Amazon is taking them down:

“Absolutely terrible book, and from an individual which is incapable of creating her own personal thought.

It’s clear from the start that the author is speaking about things which she doesn’t understand. She fumbles around in places making comments which are absolutely uninformed and completely untrue.

I’d suggest everyone stay as far away from this book, as possible.”

William

On January 23, 2008 at 9:49 am

normally I’d be against any kind of revenge, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. I’m not saying gamers need to slander this psychologist, but she opened the door for this kind of attack. Most of the comments actually were not slanderous in any way. They made valid points…why should anyone purchase a book from an author who obviously doesn’t do her research.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 9:49 am

Here’s another:

“Here’s tip #1 for making peace with your inner overachiever: don’t waste your precious time and money reading anything by Cooper Lawrence.

Why would anyone searching for credible, meaningful advice on how to live a more fulfilling life turn to a psychologist who spends her time critiquing videogames on FOX news? Honestly, has America started offering Psychology degrees to new credit card applicants? Lawrence Cooper is just another ignorant, media-hungry hack with a Ph D.

Want some REAL advice on making peace with yourself AND the world? Go read the New Testament; and then go play some videogames with your friends.”

Norbit

On January 23, 2008 at 9:51 am

Its nice to see some people over here in the UK giving it a go as well though :mrgreen:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cult-Perfection-Making-Peace-Overachiever/dp/1599211793/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=gateway&qid=1201099837&sr=8-1

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 9:51 am

Fried Yoda writes (awesome name):

“Cooper Lawrence is psychology’s version of District Attorney Mike Nifong. Remember him, the prosecutor in the Duke rape case that went on a wild goose chase to convict a few Duke lacrosse players without any substantial evidence? Remember how he used personal attacks and slandered them without even knowing them? Cooper Lawrence is similar in that she likes to attack subjects in which she has no personal experience in. Although she is cute and I’d love to re-enact a Mass Effect scene with her, she simply has zero credibility on what she preaches in this book and what she preaches in public.”

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 9:53 am

That’s all for now, I suggest everyone reading this throw their 2 cents in and show Ms. Cooper Lawrence what we think about her and her thoughts on gaming. Write up a review and if it’s a good one, I’ll throw it up in the comments in this article. Also, don’t forget to let Amazon know how helpful the negative reviews have been to your book buying habits ;)

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 9:57 am

Christopher Coucke “ShotPutKing” writes:

“Ms. lawrence spends over 200 pages talking about how great of a person she is, and discussing ways in which she can slow down to be like the rest of her normal friends… not much humor, not much information that anyone else could ever use. i could not recommend this product to anyone.”

God, this sounds like a riveting book. Seriously, I can think of a million different ways to spend $16.47 than spending it on this book.

William

On January 23, 2008 at 10:02 am

You could buy some crack for $16.47 I bet.

used cisco

On January 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

@annon,

“why not strike back? Because it will make us look bad?”

No! I’m not saying gamers shouldn’t “strike back” or stand up for themselves. We most certainly should. I’m just not sure that attacking this womans book, or slandering her personally, is a good way to do it. I don’t think these particular actions will achieve ANYTHING other than revenge against this woman personally, at the cost of gamers reputations. We need to strike back in ways that show we are a force to be reckoned with financially and culturally, not just an angry internet mob.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 10:04 am

BingoBango writes:

“Like all of the worst bits of the worst self help books condensed into one giant dung pile. I generally would be totally against the concept of burning books but I’m willing to make an exception here (just try not to stand in the smoke because its sure to be toxic).”

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 10:05 am

D. Hunter writes:

“This woman has no business spreading any kind of media. She bases her theories on conjecture and nonsensical heresay instead of fact. What she said about Mass effect on FOX was an utter disgrace and I implore anybody who is considering buying her book to steer well clear. She is merely an opportunistic faker who will spout on about any topic, regardless of her knowledge on the subject. “

William

On January 23, 2008 at 10:16 am

@used cisco: I really don’t see how most of these comments are slandering her. She claims to be a professional psychologist, yet she proved on Fox that she does not actually research things she talks about. I think people are making some valid points here.

William

On January 23, 2008 at 10:17 am

I think her rant of Fox damaged her credibility, and people should really know about it before buying her book. If she lied on Fox, odds are she lied in her book about various topics.

Shawn Sines

On January 23, 2008 at 10:19 am

The irony is she is not a doctor of anything, she has a Masters in Developmental Psychology but has not completed her PHD yet. I sent a request to Amazon asking why the negative comments were removed and the positive ones left there.. it seems odd to me that they only removed the 1 star reviews, and not all of them to try and make things fair and clean. Some of the positive reviews had been posted yesterday as well… so timing is not the sole factor here.

deeznutz

On January 23, 2008 at 10:24 am

Amazon is a corporate machine, who Murdoch helps all the time it is easy to figure out why they only take down the negative posts. Down with the aristicrats.

Norbit

On January 23, 2008 at 10:26 am

Daniel said: “BingoBango writes:

“Like all of the worst bits of the worst self help books condensed into one giant dung pile. I generally would be totally against the concept of burning books but I’m willing to make an exception here (just try not to stand in the smoke because its sure to be toxic).”

I wrote that :mrgreen:

Annom

On January 23, 2008 at 10:27 am

@used cisco

I agree this won’t get us anywhere and yes it will be at cost of reputations, but lets face it publishers/developers won’t do anything for fear as being singled out even more. A lot of the points in these comments are valid as well, making points like if she doesn’t research and holds herself to the pintical of morality then we should model ourselves after her, so in turn we don’t know anything about her book we haven’t read it and couldn’t really care less but we can assume its full of slewed facts and poor assumptions. An eye for an eye if you will.

As far as other methods of voicing ourselves when dealing with mainstream media their is no way to disagree, and thats what they like about it. What are we going to do? send them emails? send them letters? Or even an online petitions god knows they always work. Come on they would slide accost their desk with all the other trash they don’t care about. At least this way we effect the person on a more personal level. No its not a good way to do thing, but it boils down to something like this, OR nothing at all, and we’ve done nothing at all over and over again.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 10:28 am

Anastacio Guerrero writes:

“People who have an opinion about something they know nothing about, should point it out that it is just their opinion.

I saw your interview on Fox, and passing judgement on a video game withour even plaing it is complete slander on your part. I never read your book, but I too will pass a judgement on it. It’s a complete waste of time to read this book as it it trying to make you follow the ways of this author, and not finding your own way of finding peace.

Thats just my opinion.”

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 10:29 am

Jacob J. Harder writes:

“I have to read this book for my class this semester. I can tell you it tends to generalize in almost every aspect and while might be ok for Johnny white collared americans does not apply to 95% of the world.

I’d pass if you don’t want DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR.”

Ron Whitaker

On January 23, 2008 at 10:33 am

Regardless of the actions that she has taken, posting negative comments on an Amazon book sale is not the way to speak out about it.

As used cisco said above, it only makes gamers as a whole look petty and childish, which is exactly what these people want. If you’ve read the book and want to review it on its merits, that’s one things. However, simply posting bad reviews because of what she did on Fox News is nothing more than gamers stooping to her level, and once again living up to the stereotype that we are childish fools.

This type of behavior is why gamers as a whole have trouble rising above the stereotypes society has set for us. It’s not that we have bad intentions, it’s just that the more vocal among us have fingers and tongues that move much faster than their brains.

NG

On January 23, 2008 at 10:45 am

Why not leave Cooper some email?

cooper@cooperlawrenceshow.com

William

On January 23, 2008 at 10:59 am

I wouldn’t suggest spamming her email. It’s just an assistant of hers reading it more than likely anyway, plus spamming email is just really bad.

NG

On January 23, 2008 at 11:07 am

I’m not saying to spam her email. You can voice your opinion to her inbox. People have a right to voice their opinion to a public inbox whether the intended recipient reads it or not. If you are sending her a well thought out opinion on the topic, that is not spamming.

The Dude

On January 23, 2008 at 11:17 am

@ Ron Whitaker:

I think FOX news did a plenty good job at filling the petty and childish role, here. With Ms Lawrence leading them on.

How much public slander do gamers still have to take before we get hungry for payback? Right-wing american media seems intent on painting gamers out to be school shooting gang raping maniacs with no minds of their own simply because they play videogames! As if it’s a means of mass hypnosis.

The FOX news reporter asks Ms Lawrence what damage this game does to children (the conclusion is already drawn at this point that gamers are exclusively 15 year old boys and not mostly people of both genders and all ranges if sexual orientations of over 20 years old) and she goes on to explain that… wait, what?!

That this game encourages children to look at women as LUST OBJECTS?! I’m sorry but Cooper Lawrence is fighting the wrong fight here if that’s a point she wants to make. She could’ve done her research but instead she chose to go the route of public slander for purposes of sensationalism.

What does it say about FOX News as a whole if they seek to paint off a game where sex is the OPTIONAL result of an honest love between two people that takes the entire course of the game to develop, and is even then nothing more than a sideplot? There’s plenty of Hollywood flicks out there where people shag for less well founded reasons, but apparently those are fine.

If a woman in love(or vice versa, because you can play both genders in Mass Effect) having sex with her partner sends the message that women are more lust objects, am I then right in assuming that Ms Lawrence never got laid? Clearly a much too sinful act.

I applaud all efforts made by gamers to ridicule her.

Annom

On January 23, 2008 at 11:24 am

I agree the dude, these reporters must have the lights off when using the bathroom in fear of seeing something lude.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 11:26 am

@Norbit: My hat off to your sir. :smile:

Fenris

On January 23, 2008 at 11:38 am

Of the many ironies, look at that cover. Is it about the subject matter or is it about sex.

The cover is designed to get the attention of men (and boys by default), if 2 books (this one and another) are sitting next to each other on the same subject, the thinking is that some skin and tight clothing will see more books. Women also buy into this because they want to be smart and sexy and can only feel that way through external feedback or in this case emulation (a gross generalization used for the purposes of discussion).

If she was such an expert and what she had to say was so great, a white cover with words should be enough.

She should ban herself for promoting men and women to see females as sex objects and not thinking humans ( following her own logic).

weclock

On January 23, 2008 at 11:53 am

She’s probably just happy to have some attention, check on fox news later tonight for reports of this developments… seriously…

Ron Whitaker

On January 23, 2008 at 12:06 pm

@The Dude:

I’m not debating the validity of her statements. However, I stand by my statement that this is not the way to go about disproving them. Every time someone inm print or on TV makes a negative statement about gaming, there are gamers who foam at the mouth, send hate mail, and otherwise just make complete asses of themselves. This has a negative effect on the perceptions of games and gamers as a whole.

We’re far better off writing coherent, well-researched letters to the network, or to her publisher, or to anyone that can make valid opinions heard.

‘Payback,’ as you put it, should not be our goal. Rather, a valid understanding of games, their backgrounds, and their merits is what we should be striving for. This childish ranting on Amazon serves no purpose except to make some people feel big for posting a negative comment, and it certainly doesn’t help make gaming a more acceptable hobby.

Daniel

On January 23, 2008 at 12:25 pm

On a somewhat related note, has anyone looked at the cover of the book? Is it just me or does it look like her huge melon was photoshopped on someone’s body. And what’s up with the way her hands are in her jeans? Who stands like that?!

Put all of your fingers in your pockets!

The Dude

On January 23, 2008 at 12:28 pm

As far as I’m concerned we should be striving for what you suggest, yes, but I do think it’s good to show that we won’t just sit back and let people shower insults over us.

Is there a majority of people of over 40 years old who completely misunderstand videogames and how they affect the psyche of young people? Yes, there is.

Do these people line up to spew insults and slander over us? No, they do not. That’s the role of specific self-proclaimed experts.

Should we make these self proclaimed experts like Cooper Lawrence think twice before she puts her career on the line for something so trivial? Yes, we should.

Maybe other people equally interested in making games and gamers out to be a horrible aspect of society will consider what happened to miss Lawrence if the reaction reached a point where it could endanger her “career”. That’s the power of the internet.

I of course realise that at the end of the day this whole situation is nothing new. American media behaving like extreme prudes? Nothing new. Public slander and misunderstanding of a new form of media? Nothing new. For example we can think back to Beatles lyrics supposedly spreading satanic messages if played backwards. And in the end this -is- just a phase. A phase that will pass. But we can make it pass considerably faster if we show our collectively teeth.

IMO.

The Dude

On January 23, 2008 at 12:29 pm

The above post was aimed at Ron Whitaker btw. Damn me for being so used to forum mechanics and assuming there would be an edit function to erase mistakes and typo’s not once but twice XD

Handshakes

On January 23, 2008 at 12:39 pm

So gamers have stooped to her level and made themselves, and all the rest of us gamers by proxy, look like ignorant reactionist jackasses in the process.

Great job guys!

This whole scenario could have provided an opportunity to show that gamers can be mature thinkers and debaters, but instead you just helped prove the notion that gamers are a bunch of immature goons with too much time on their hands.

Seek therapy. Seek lives.

William

On January 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm

@Handshakes: If you read the comments people are leaving about her book on Amazon, they are mostly insightful ones. Sure, there are better ways to attack a situation like this, but I can say I am at least impressed with the amount of thought going into this.

Anti Anti-Gamer

On January 23, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Mass Effect of all games is the worst game to bash :mrgreen: . I don’t actually think you really see any blood accept when the developers placed it there for a specific reason! Star Wars was pretty much exactly the same, but perhaps more violent, and yet it becomes an icon and people like this bash Mass Effect? I laugh at stupid people usually, but her i simply pity. She brings to mind people who hate the war in Iraq “because war is wrong” but have never even served in any armed forces and wouldn’t volunteer. Or people who won’t eat a food because it looks disgusting. For her own sake I hope she learns to outgrow her ignorance, and do some research next time.

Also she could learn to pick a better game to bash. Like Man Hunt or Gears of War were there is actually something more then you would see in a PG to PG-13 film

Ron Whitaker

On January 23, 2008 at 1:02 pm

What Handshakes said.

@The Dude: While I agree that there are ways to make ourselves heard, and that we CAN use our numbers in a productive way, you can’t possibly believe that the childish comments we’re seeing on Amazon are an acceptable way to make ourselves heard.

Because of comments like these, you’re virtually assuring that gamers will be seen as exactly what they’re portraying us as. This ‘reaction’ does nothing to endanger her career, because you’re using Amazon’s comment system to vent your anger, rather than using a channel that could actually have some effect, such as writing to her publisher, the network, etc…

The Amazon comments are vanishing as fast as they are put up, and they should. Amazon does not exist as a venue for spewing negative comments that have little to no bearing on the product they’re posted on.

Just remember, we can speed the acceptance of gaming by having informed intelligent conversations on topics that people have concerns about. Gaming has always been poorly represented in the mainstream media, mostly because most people who you see on TV are woefully uninformed on the subject. Unfortunately, that’s not likely to change soon, because situations like this one make news people and network executives believe that we can’t be trusted to be civil in a discussion on the issues, and instead that we’ll go rabid at the slightest provocation.

Living up to people’s expectations isn’t ‘payback,’ and it isn’t putting anyone’s ‘career on the line.’ It’s simply painting gamers with the same brush they are, and giving justification to their labels and stereotypes. It’s not helping gaming, or standing up for it, it’s holding gaming back.

Anti Anti-Gamer

On January 23, 2008 at 1:03 pm

The other thing that confuses me is why a game that is pretty much PG is treated like the evilest thing ever, but the most violent, bloody, twisted, sick films are talked about like their bloody making the world better. I have nothing against horror movies and such of any kind mind you, but I mean you’d much ratehr have your kid play Mass Effect then watch Saw or Hostel, would you not?

Anti Anti-Gamer

On January 23, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Someone should send her a 360 with Mass Effect and put a hidden cam in the xbox and see if she plays =)

Ben

On January 23, 2008 at 1:24 pm

“If Fox News and other media outlets want a war against gaming, they’ve picked an industry full of hard-core fans who aren’t going to sit back and take it anymore.”

F-yeah.

used cisco

On January 23, 2008 at 3:07 pm

@william,

“I really don’t see how most of these comments are slandering her.”

I was talking about the comments on Amazon and making the leap that because she speaks on a topic she knows little about on Fox (she was invited!) to the idea that she therefore doesn’t research a topic for which she has written a book, is a bit nonsense.

” She claims to be a professional psychologist, yet she proved on Fox that she does not actually research things she talks about.”

Again, she was invited to speak, I don’t know if this is something she personally advocates on her own time. Do you?

” I think people are making some valid points here.”

Some valid points, sure, but just as many equally invalid ones.

I don’t want to defend her. Clearly she was in the wrong on the fox piece, but part of the blame is on Fox for inviting someone with little first hand experience. Even the host admitting having no first hand experience with the game.

And to all the people who take this womans ignorance personally, get a life. Please. Ignorance is thick in the masses, particularly in the culture this woman represents, its not a slight against gamers personally and to make the revenge tactic an attack on her personally doesn’t make a lot of sense. It just smacks of an angry internet mob, which honestly does no one any good. I mean, look amazon is deleting the reviews. They are not taking this response seriously. No one would. This revenge tactic will go completely unnoticed outside of the echo chamber of gaming blogs.

All of you self satisfied comment makers patting each other on the back are achieving nothing of real value. You’re not proving some higher cause.

Send emails to fox. Let them know that you won’t watch their programming if they don’t do a better job of vetting the guest speakers. Send emails to major gaming and entertainment websites alerting them of the situations. Vote with your dollars. Don’t supports the author or the station. There is plenty to do that can help.

Rod

On January 23, 2008 at 3:26 pm

It’s Ok to be ignorant, nobody knows everything, but when you go to the TV and spread your ignorance your are affecting a huge amount of people who are waiting for you to speak so they can make their mind.

She deserve this.

used cisco

On January 23, 2008 at 3:45 pm

@Rod,

They had Keighley on. Her ignorance was not unopposed. She admitted she hadn’t played the game. If people are THAT influenced by one talking head who admits they haven’t played the game, its not her fault. There are ignorant talking heads on the news all the time. This is not unique. Again, the point is that an angry internet mob attacking one of here completely unrelated books smacks of immaturity and doesn’t achieve the true objectives gamers like us are working towards.

Don’t get me wrong, I completely disagree with her. But guess what, I disagree with ignorant fools on THIS VERY WEBSITE! Do I go teepee their house because of it? No. But thats basically what trashing her book on Amazon equates to. Its a case of, “I don’t like what you have to say so I’m going to piss in your coffee”.

William

On January 23, 2008 at 4:14 pm

@used .. I don’t know. If she’s going to appear on Fox News and rant about a subject she obviously didn’t research, it at least makes you wonder if she actually does her homework when it comes to her books and other projects. Although this situation is a bit of revenge by gamers, there certainly are valid points that should be brought up when it comes to her book.

Her credibility is certainly shot. I simply do not understand how anyone involved in a field of science could show up on national television to debate a topic they know nothing about and think that people should take the rest of their work seriously. That would be like an expert heart surgeon who has never seen a heart. The fact that she never even bothered sampling the game before giving her “professional” opinions on it completely destroys any shred of credibility she thought she had.

William

On January 23, 2008 at 4:15 pm

I also don’t think she’s ignorant. There are obvious special interests behind interviews like this. She knows what she’s doing. She thought she could latch on to the hot topic of the moment.

used cisco

On January 23, 2008 at 4:21 pm

@william,

“it at least makes you wonder if she actually does her homework when it comes to her books and other projects.”

Again, I’m not out to defend this ignorant woman. But you may not know how things like this work. A producer at Fox brings the story to the editor and the editor has to find commentators. They probably have this lady on a list of people who speak on certain topics. They probably choose her, not for her insight, but because they know she’ll show up on time and look presentable, and perhaps because she’s outspoken enough to make the segment entertaining. (Darling!) I doubt she even knew about this interview more than 48 hours in advance. I would be curious how long before it, Keighley knew about it.

Shandy

On January 23, 2008 at 4:27 pm

LOL, people are still going at it..I think Amazon has deleted at least 50-70 posts and it’s back over 50 again in the 1 Star Category.

People shouldn’t support someone that lies to make a quick sale. She shouldn’t have jumped at that chance to try and advertise her book. Lying on national television about a form of entertainment that millions love is going to backfire on you.

A. Gemmell

On January 23, 2008 at 6:12 pm

1.0 out of 5 stars Mass Effect FTW, 23 Jan 2008
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Reading this book is worse than being one of the victims in the movie Saw.

Justin McNeer

On January 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm

After watching the interview I was baffled. I have actually played the game in question. It, by MPAA standards, is PG-13 product. In no way is it any more demeaning or harmful to children than the shows that FOX regularly broadcasts. If I were to let my son play Mass effect or watch Fox broadcasting, Id choose the former.

The biggest problem I had with her argument is when she claimed that young boys would choose sex instead of none in relation to the games mechanics. Unfortunately she probably doesnt know how advanced games have come. You simply dont choose the “have sex now” option because there isn’t one.

The games mechanic lets you (it doesnt force you) build a relationship with your shipmates. How does this work? Well, you talk to characters and you have different choices brought before you as to how you should respond. After hours and hours of play certain characters can warm up to you (based upon what you’ve said to them) or hate you.

In fact when playing the game, I had no relationship (sex) because one of the characters disliked me based upon my ideals that she questioned and/or I didn’t agree with her own ethics. It plays much like real life. You don’t go to a woman you know at your job/gym/whatever and “select” the “sex option”…..you build a relationship and if that person likes you enough and feels comfortable with you, then that situation MAY arise.

Also you can play as a female or male, which according to the interview, Ms. Lawrence previously didn’t know. It is something non-gamers should note that this is a game that spans 30+ hours depending on what you decide to do. So this 3 min scene out of 30+ hour game is causing so much commotion. I dont understand why people in the media try to crucify video games when it’s MUCH easier to get a hold of rated “R” movies than it is to play rated “M” video games. The first time I saw dismemberment and sex was NOT in a video game, it was in a movie I saw as a child over a friends house.

Video games are comparable to movies. They have ratings for a reason. And I’ll wager most of todays youth, and adults first saw nudity and/or extreme violence in a movie NOT a game.

Unfortunately I have not bought anything from Amazon so I couldnt post this there…..but I would if I could.

JPC

On January 23, 2008 at 6:25 pm

If anybody feels up to it, you can always contact her directly.

http://www.cooperlawrence.com/contact.html

William

On January 23, 2008 at 6:30 pm

The choosing to have sex or not was kind of an odd point in their rants against the game. I don’t think they realize how the sex scene isn’t even a major point in the game. If they took the time to play through the game themselves, they might actually like it.

I also thought it was odd when the one lady mentioned that it’s not kid’s fathers playing the game. I’m a father and I play Mass Effect and I don’t let my kids play it. They can’t sneak behind my back either, because I have the system passworded. I think the real problem in America right now is that there’s a big group of people that want the government to regulate our daily lives.

I believe in personal accountability and also believe we have rights to raise our kids as we see fit as long as it isn’t harming the child. The government shouldn’t tell me or any other parent what to do with our video games. That’s our choice. If a parent is not responsible with the gaming decisions, then odds are they aren’t responsible in any areas of raising their kids.

So yeah I think the government is already far enough up our *****! The last thing we need is them regulating things even further than they already do. The ESRB rates games much higher than I would sometimes and that’s all we need. If stores are selling “M’ games to kids, they should be prosecuted, but that’s the extent of it. These ideas about getting rid of certain types of games because of the children is a bunch of crap. A majority of gamers are over 18 anyway. I really wish the ultra-conservatives would worry about real issues like mopping up the mess they created in Iraq. Even if Mass Effect had graphic sex in it (which it doesn’t), who would be getting hurt?

William

On January 23, 2008 at 6:34 pm

@used cisco: I know how the process works. I have numerous friends in the media business. Regardless of when or how she was contacted, she lied on television. She made up an opinion to look good and now it’s starting to backfire on her. As a professional, she can always pass on a topic if she feels she doesn’t know enough about it.

At this point, the only way she can save face in my opinion is to issue an apology or to retract her statements made on Fox. If that doesn’t happen, her credibility as a professional is nil.

Jonathan

On January 23, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Interesting note: the book’s profile now has it tagged as “ignorant,” “garbage,” and “junk” among other things. plus the rating is down to 1 1/2 stars and there’s an image of the Mass Effect box right next to the book cover.

Choco

On January 23, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Good work! If nothing else this might let that know there are lots of us who can with her!

Mass Effector

On January 23, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Cooper isn’t a girl’s name

I don’t recommend reading a book named by a woman named Cooper. This fad of naming women with last names has to stop! Morgan, Montana, Cooper… these are not feminine names. What’s next, Johnson? Hey Johnson, hand me that moisturizer!
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The above is one of the reviews on Amazon…makes me LOL

Tim

On January 23, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Heh, don’t worry about Amazon deleting the 1-star reviews. It appears a bunch of people just made new ones.

Scoottie

On January 23, 2008 at 7:06 pm

Keep posting even if Amazon deletes them. Lets waste Amazons time as well as this “experts”.

HACK THE PLANET …. sorry had to do it

Mikey

On January 23, 2008 at 7:07 pm

That’s the scary part about reviews. Upset the wrong crowd and a enjoy the repercussions. I guess Cooper isn’t very versed with the internets.

Scoottie

On January 23, 2008 at 7:12 pm

oh and if Amazon is being a bunch of s

http://www.cooperlawrence.com/

Mass Effector

On January 23, 2008 at 7:29 pm

used cisco- “Don’t get me wrong, I completely disagree with her. But guess what, I disagree with ignorant fools on THIS VERY WEBSITE! Do I go teepee their house because of it? No. But thats basically what trashing her book on Amazon equates to. Its a case of, “I don’t like what you have to say so I’m going to piss in your coffee”.
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See cisco, this is where you are absolutely wrong on a number of levels. An expert going on television to speak in public is nothing like posters on an internet message board. And us going onto Amazon is nothing like pissing in someone’s cofee or TPing their house. Its not a simple act of vandalism.

Cooper went on TV with the purpose of promoting her book and slandered a product that she had no idea about in the process.

The people retaliating on Amazon are trying to counter some of the good press she hoped to gain by having her book mentioned on TV.

Its a perfectly legitimate, and mature enough, avenue to take a gripe against a product or personality.

There is nothing wrong with Jewish leaders promoting a boycott of Mel Gibson movies, for his anti-semetic beliefs. There is nothing wrong with African Americans campaining against David Duke, because he was a Klan member.

The issues these groups have with these people have nothing to do with their acting/direction abilities, or political abilities. But it doesn’t make their activities any less valid.

Chris

On January 23, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Ok…no one star ok amazon….EVERYONE VOTE 2 STARS!

Arjun

On January 23, 2008 at 7:34 pm

This is the new internet democracy – no one is above reproach. Now that it’s on Digg Amazon is gonna have a hard time deleting all the negative reviews! I bet she’ll think twice before giving any more uninformed opinions in future…

Jeff

On January 23, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Anybody else find it funny that in the interview, after Geoff Keighly was cut off, Cooper was like “Let me at him” as if she was winning the argument? Such an imbecile.

Ryan Beckett

On January 23, 2008 at 8:10 pm

her email addy:
cooper@cooperlawrenceshow.com

I sent her the following.

I have no clue what Mass Effect is, I’m out of touch with videogames as I have rarely played any games the last 10 years. I understand games like Grand Theft Auto and countless others (possibly including Mass Effect) are violent and can be viewed as morally disgusting. Thats why games have ratings, thats why people have choices. I find some Fox programming to be questionable and at times disgusting (I find Fox News to be disgusting at all times). More offensive is your judgemental, unresearched opinion. It is more offensive than Osi Umenyiora’s idea of a good time (look it up). I applaud the gamers negatively reviewing your book. I hope it helps slow the sales of your book. You have no credibility.

You may be an overachiever, but I do not respect you. There is no good way to work the following sentence into an email but I feel like i want you to know one thing. You are a myserable . (I did my research)

Sincerely,

Ryan Beckett

Scoottie

On January 23, 2008 at 8:13 pm

140 1 star reviews. Keep it going and lets see if we can get to 500

damval

On January 23, 2008 at 8:26 pm

So, which university is she getting her PHD from? That would be a good place to pen a nice handwritten letter regarding Ms. Lawrence’s integrity and how it reflects on said University.

jason G

On January 23, 2008 at 8:31 pm

You must edit this article and mention the customer images for the book. They are hilarious. Especially the “I have no credibility” pic. :grin:

Dann

On January 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm

“You might have to use three or four pages, they’re a little on the rough side and take a couple of flushes, but it’ll do in pinch!”

Arjun

On January 23, 2008 at 8:48 pm

I sent this letter to her email – cooper@cooperlawrenceshow.com

Dear Ms. Lawrence,

Please refrain, hard though it may be, from airing your personal prejudices as fact when you have no knowledge or experience with the subject involved. Your interview on Fox News on the game Mass Effect was utter nonsense. Judging from your past publications you are in no way qualified to give an opinion on a game in the first place and agreeing to do so just proved that you did it for pure publicity. From the reactions I have read online you have definitely got that, though not quite in the manner you desired. You’ve made your bed, now lie in it.

Mass Effect provides a deeper, more meaningful progression of the relationship than has been seen in most TV and movie releases this past year. To get to the sexual situation that was in question, one must first earn the trust and love of the other character, which is by no means guaranteed. By jumping to the conclusion that the game was all about sex and violence you crossed over from being an intelligent and opinionated contributor to a biased slanderer pushing a personal agenda. You took one look at the video Fox showed you of the sex, saw the main character in that video was a man and somehow came to the conclusion that this game was objectifying women. Please, if there is some amazing connection I have missed let me know about it so that I can revise my extremely low opinion of your analytical skills. Even after being told that this game allowed one to play as both male and female characters, you barreled on ahead as though that was of no consequence, when in fact it undermines your entire premise. This speaks extremely poorly of your ‘expert’ status in psychology.

So Ms. Lawrence, in future please do not blindly quote studies and state ‘facts’ of which you have no first-hand experience. You simply undermine your credibility and make yourself look foolish. On behalf of all the fans of Mass Effect and other games of similarly high quality I would request that you first play the game, then update your statistics (and maybe look into them a little more carefully than just reading the abstract) and finally provide an informed opinion on this matter.

Yours in anticipation,
Arjun

oldschool

On January 23, 2008 at 10:15 pm

How about this for an idea — if Amazon is deleting 1 star reviews, how giving her FIVE star reviews that bash her, then rate those as Helpful. Then, eventually there will be enough Helpful votes that the Five Star BASHING reviews will be the only thing that people see???

BWHAHAHA

Mercury

On January 24, 2008 at 12:06 am

So she’s slamming the “sex” scene in Mass Effect, going on about how sex desensitizes “young adolescent boys”. Look at the picture on her book cover. You can’t tell me she’s not trying to use sex to sell it.

JD

On January 24, 2008 at 12:12 am

Cooper Lawrence is a frustrated middle aged house wife who’s husband is an avid gamer.
She hates video games and the fact her husband would rather play video games than spend time with her explains why she bashed a game she never researched or played.

eikS

On January 24, 2008 at 6:19 am

your book suck like you !

Mass Efecct is a great game and only because one dammit you says bad things
you need to be ashame!

WE GAMERS AND WE PROUD IF DOESNT LIKE IT ,ITS YOUR PROBLEM!!!

BB Suckaa

Aristotle

On January 24, 2008 at 7:46 am

Oh jeez…. her rating for that book is just….. destroyed! xD

Anyway, I think we should move on from this book to absolutely destroy the ratings of her other books. She has a few out on amazon which you can find by clicking her name to search for her as the author.

She deserves it (though by now, I wouldn’t be surprised if this has caused such an uproar that she’d have to cancel all her contact info/credentials, because I could imagine this has probably upset some hackers as well)

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 11:01 am

@william,

“@used cisco: I know how the process works. I have numerous friends in the media business.”

Then surely you know that PROFESSIONALS speak regarding topics they have little knowledge about on the news on a daily basis. This is not new. Its just more personal because our experience makes their lack of knowledge obvious.

This segment was likely DESIGNED to create some turmoil. They may have chosen this woman to speak for this very reason. Our outrage is likely going to SELL MORE OF HER BOOKS.

If her book gains some level of notoriety for being attacked by thousands of gamers, it will likely sell more strongly to her target audience under the idea that “wow, if it got these kids so riled up, it MUST be worth reading”.

All I’m saying is, be careful how you respond to things like this because your objectives may not be achieved.

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 11:09 am

@mass effector,

I’m sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but you have LOT of growing up to do.

“An expert going on television to speak in public is nothing like posters on an internet message board.”

This is irrelevant. I’m not talking about a message board. Say whatever you want on here, its meaningless. But trashing her book you haven’t read on Amazon is engaging in activity just as wrongheaded as her spouting about a game she knows little about.

“And us going onto Amazon is nothing like pissing in someone’s cofee or TPing their house. Its not a simple act of vandalism.”

Thats exactly what it is. Its a pot shot at something because you can’t think of an honest way to disagree with a person.

“The people retaliating on Amazon are trying to counter some of the good press she hoped to gain by having her book mentioned on TV.”

So now you’re the internet justice posse? Brilliant. I’ll bet that piece gave here just as much bad press (she sounded smug and clearly didn’t know much on the topic) as good.

“Its a perfectly legitimate, and mature enough, avenue to take a gripe against a product or personality.”

This statement is laughable. If you think spiteful revenge is mature, my comments are likely completely wasted on you.

“There is nothing wrong with Jewish leaders promoting a boycott of Mel Gibson movies, for his anti-semetic beliefs. There is nothing wrong with African Americans campaining against David Duke, because he was a Klan member.”

Oh My God. Did you just create a moral equivalence between yourself and the Jewish nation fighting for survival? I believe you did. Amazing. You must think highly of yourself if you think posting on amazon is IN ANY WAY similar to Jews boycotting the work of Mel Gibson.

That being said, I strongly support your right to boycott the work of this woman. That however is not what you’re doing.

“The issues these groups have with these people have nothing to do with their acting/direction abilities, or political abilities. But it doesn’t make their activities any less valid.”

Thats because they are not lying about the individuals in question, or making up information because they are angry. They are promoting a thoughtful boycott of a product, which, if you had read my previous posts, you would know I suggested doing the same thing.

Instead, you think that type of boycott is somehow similar to attacking this woman personally in the only way you know how, an amazon book review.

Norbit

On January 24, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Wow. 534 reviews now :shock:

This new one from D. Bushnell in London just caught my eye;

“Holocaust Denying Absurdity

The author of this book might deny the holocaust, equally she might not. I have no idea. Just like she has no ideas about things she speaks about on television.”

:lol:

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm

I luv the fact the publisher’s “Buy it” link connects you to Amazon’s page.

luxera

On January 24, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Don’t forget all those 5 star reviews. Make sure you vote “no” on “Was this review helpful?”

Jandurin

On January 24, 2008 at 12:49 pm

… and Cooper Lawrence becomes the lowest rated author, *ever*, on Amazon.com.

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Some of the five star reviews are helpful. :cool:

weclock

On January 24, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Used Cisco, I agree with many of your points.. the only way to really leave messages, saying your beliefs on the author, is with taste. signing on there and saying ‘omg she’s a .’ isn’t going to do anything but get that review deleted.

You can warn, that perhaps the book will not be well, because she has been found to not conduct research, but you can’t say that it’s a piece of crap and so it she, because you don’t really know.

Jandurin

On January 24, 2008 at 1:36 pm

used cisco:
“”Its a perfectly legitimate, and mature enough, avenue to take a gripe against a product or personality.”
This statement is laughable. If you think spiteful revenge is mature, my comments are likely completely wasted on you.”

Agreed, but it sure can be funny.

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 2:03 pm

@weclock,

Agreed.

Here’s a good example of what people are doing in the reviews with this internet vigilante “justice” nonsense. Its counterproductive and only goes to prove some of Ms. Lawrence’s assertions about gamers, which saddens me.

From a one star review on Amazon:

“I knew Cooper very well in college. She was a complete tramp who ended up giving me my first and only STD ever. I thought we were meeting to discuss an upcoming Political Science test, but instead she forced herself upon me. I was weak, and she definitely was stronger than me, by at least 60 pounds. I can’t imagine that even now she is writing about that fateful day so long ago.”

This review is not unique. If you are watching the reviews, most of these get deleted pretty quickly but there are MANY like this. Is this type of behavior what gamers stand for? I hope not.

BlindGibbon

On January 24, 2008 at 2:07 pm

Don’t forget to post 1 star reviews on Barnes & Noble.com as well!

I particularly care for the ones that states things such as ” I am extremely offended with the obscene and graphical sexual content of this book! And the fact that she is peddling this smut to children! she should be locked away!” etc etc

BlindGibbon

On January 24, 2008 at 2:12 pm

How lame amazon the destroyers of free speech deletad all of the comments on her books, although it still show 499 1 stars, the actual comments are gone bye bye, even the good ones.

Jandurin

On January 24, 2008 at 2:44 pm

used critic: “Is this type of behavior what gamers stand for? I hope not.”

Gamers are about as diverse in origins and beliefs as a group is likely to be. The only thing that *is* similar is that most of us are not yet “old”. Otherwise, we all stand for different things.

What we are all against is misrepresentation of our games. We are who we are. Get off your high horse. If you want to gripe about people’s stances, I’m sure you could find a better cause than gamers picking on some poor misinformed woman. It’s not like she had that many reviews before the 22nd, and all reviews posted after the 21st will likely just be deleted.

If this is how some people choose to speak out, let them. Don’t try to make them feel “bad” about it.

Jandurin

On January 24, 2008 at 2:46 pm

lol

That was supposed to be directed at used cisco, not used critic. A faux pas if I ever saw one.

Jandurin

On January 24, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Update: User reviews removed completely from amazon.com.
:P

Rem

On January 24, 2008 at 3:04 pm

@Jandurin
agreed.

@used cisco

While “If you have nothing intelligent to say, don’t say anything” may be the rule, Cooper was the first to break it.

This is a women who is all well-respected developmental psychologist, published author, and radio show host. For her to go on a TV broadcast and spread ignorance makes her a professional idiot. Someone of her stature is looked to for guidance and education. After what she did, do you think she’s qualified to guide anyone?

People should be held accountable for their mistakes, Cooper included. She deserves all the negative publicity coming her way. We can’t keep the book from being sold, but we can make it very difficult. She can go on TV and radio and write books all she wants, but in the end OUR user created content is what rules the web and what affects the most change. It’s about time we started using it, especially to weed out the idiots.

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 3:48 pm

used C; That’s a great post. If you can’t wrap you head around that one then I don’t think there’s much hope for you.

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Rem, Genius!

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 4:06 pm

All author’s book reviews removed.

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 4:08 pm

@jandurin,

“Gamers are about as diverse in origins and beliefs as a group is likely to be. The only thing that *is* similar is that most of us are not yet “old”. Otherwise, we all stand for different things.”

Granted, but I still hope that we as a group (admittedly a diverse one) can work to make things better for our hobby and industry, rather than work to reinforce stereotypes propagated by people like Cooper Lawrence.

“If this is how some people choose to speak out, let them. Don’t try to make them feel “bad” about it.”

Did you even read the comment I posted?

The guy claims that she game him an STD. Are you saying he should feel good about obvious slander in the public domain? Get real. Even so, I don’t want anyone to feel bad about anything. Thats not the point. I could care less how a loser like that feels about what he’s doing.

I want people to channel their outrage into productive activities and messages.
I’m glad people recognize this author speaks nonsense and these people have a right to be bothered. But this is all for nothing if we don’t use it to inspire us to be heard in a respectable way.

My point is that, if someone wrongs you, and you flip out and act like an idiot, you’ll never get respect. The reason this woman can say what she said on national TV is because we, as gamers, don’t get respect. The actions of many of the people on Amazon will do NOTHING to change that. And ultimately this woman will likely sell MORE books. Is that what you want? Because thats all petty revenge will get you.

Rem

On January 24, 2008 at 5:18 pm

@used cisco

You do have a point, but how do we get be heard?
1)We are still too small as a culture to have any sway in the mainstream.
That report on Fox was nothing more than a witchhunt, the one guy representing the gamer, had no chance… even though he was the most informed.
2)We have next to ZERO fair representation in the media
3)Our industry is run by large game publishers who can manipulate reviews
based on ad revenue.

We get the short end of the stick all of the time and what can we do?
Boycott? Again we aren’t that big to make an impact, we don’t even fall into the demographic for her book, her show, or her sponsors. Write letters? They don’t care what we think, which is why she thought she could get away with that crap on national TV. Even when we get shafted by the industry we love (looking at you Activision)We are still between a rock and a hardplace.

It takes something real extreme to get the publics attention, to make your message heard. Like 10,000lbs of Nuts from the Jericho Fans to CBS.

The only power we have, the only way the minority becomes the majority is on the internet and through user created content/web 2.0/social tagging – It’s instantaneous, viral communication. If We are charged with organizing the content on the internet, we should have the right to bury the crap and the people tied to it. We are sending a message that we are not going to tolerate
idiots spreading ignorance. You have to hit ‘em where it hurts.

I know you may not agree with the guerrilla tactics we are using, but at the moment it’s all we can do, and it’s pretty effective.

Amazon ripping down all the reviews is a testament for how powerful the User has become. And because Amazon stepped in, it’s just going to get bigger…And if she has the nerve to open her mouth again about a game or gammers, the fight is going to go right to her doorstep. We fought Jack Thompson, We fought Joe Liberman, I’m sure we can handle Copper Lawrence.

Rem

On January 24, 2008 at 5:38 pm

well well, the reviews are back…

Bravo Amazon, Bravo

DPK

On January 24, 2008 at 5:52 pm

This review was priceless:

“As she couldn’t be bothered with research nether can i. Without reading this book i know what its about. Its about a ball of string that gets stuck in a drawer. Its a metaphor for wasted time!”

In response to the occasional posters who claim that this response to Cooper’s utter BS is immature and counter-productive: Well maybe a bit, but it’s ing funny. It’s made my day anyway! And that’s why I

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 6:28 pm

@Rem,

“but how do we get be heard?”

Thats the question. Thats exactly what I would like for us to discuss. I think if we put as much energy into that question as we have into posting reviews on Amazon, we’d have a hell of a solution.

“1)We are still too small as a culture to have any sway in the mainstream.”

I disagree.

Halo 3 sold almost 5 million copies in a few months. Thats one game on one platform. We are a dense consumer population. We tend to be young, energetic, and technologically savvy.

“2)We have next to ZERO fair representation in the media”

True, but with the advent of blogs and other specialist media, this inequality is rapidly changing. If someone put together a website with the facts of this situation and asked people to visit it, our numbers would be calculable and give us strength.

“3)Our industry is run by large game publishers who can manipulate reviews
based on ad revenue.”

This is true and it sucks. But the gaming media is just as much to blame.

“We get the short end of the stick all of the time and what can we do?
Boycott?”

Yes. We can. We should. If we could get people to act in unison, it would be powerful. If we spread the word about our cause, we’ll convert friends and family.

“Again we aren’t that big to make an impact, we don’t even fall into the demographic for her book, her show, or her sponsors”

Are you kidding?

“Write letters?”

Yes. I’ve already written a letter to Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Morris and Pequot publishers. I encourage others to do the same. Find out what products they are part of and make sure to avoid them and tell others to do the same.

Personally, I travel alot. I’ve bought many Falcon Guide books over the years (From the same publisher as the book in question). Well? No more. I’ve made it clear that as long as Globe Pequot/Skirt is supporting people like Ms. Lawrence, I will not buy their products. There are plenty of competitors products out there and they know it. I’ll also spread the word not to buy them.

“I know you may not agree with the guerrilla tactics we are using, but at the moment it’s all we can do, and it’s pretty effective.”

I disagree on both counts. I think we can do more, and of a more substantive nature than accusing people of spreading STDs. I also think its ineffective. I think this type of guerrilla tactic will backfire and lead to more sales of her book, and possibly sympathy for her. Then what?

“Amazon ripping down all the reviews is a testament for how powerful the User has become.”

I would say Amazon ripping down the reviews shows just how powerless this tactic is. We could have 10,000 reviews but if they decide to delete them, what good did it do?

Anyway, the idea behind my comments was to get a dialog like this going. I really appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a lot of it. This is what is necessary to determine the most effective course of action and to see where we can pool our strength, without undermining our own credibility in the process. I don’t think a pyrrhic victory is what we’re shooting for here.

Sean O'Neil

On January 24, 2008 at 7:29 pm

here’s my review

Now, I don’t take much value in self-help books but I decided that since my mom is a chronic workaholic I might give it a go. I read it before I gave it my mom and I was appalled. Her sentences are almost gibberish in composition and the entire book is actually 256 pages of a single paragraph. In the middle of the book she has child-like illustrations of her points, that are in fact quite vulgar. From what I could decipher from her highly parenthetical language she thinks that women strive towards perfection to please their men, and that womens intrinsic value derives from a mans opinion of them. This point alone would warrant a book burning but she went on to say that women must be constantly ready to please there men in any way, once they achieve this mode of operation will the be the “perfect” woman. This books seems to be the manifesto for a new society in which women become servants, she calls this cult the “Cult of Perfection” and only when women are subservient to their male “owners” will society become moral once more. All and all a disturbing look in to the mind of a Masochist.

fed up

On January 24, 2008 at 7:57 pm

used cisco:

Sorry, but it is a piss-in-your-coffee kind of world. Those ready and willing to whip it out (like Cooper) are going to win.

Joe

On January 24, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #275,828 in Books. Yesterday it was around #150,000. That has to hurt.

used cisco

On January 24, 2008 at 8:20 pm

@fed up,

You may be right about what kind of world this is, but I’m personally not satisfied with that. I don’t care about keeping up with the Jones’ and I’ll not use someone else’s ty behavior to justify my own.

This topic is getting old. I’ve said my peace. I’ve acted on this in a way that I believe is fair and effective and others will do what they feel is right regardless of what I say. People can easily find a way to rationalize their behavior, no question about that.

Hopefully, in the end, we can make a difference. I just hope we don’t make the situation more difficult for ourselves in so doing.

Rowdie

On January 24, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Used C. It’s not slander is commentary. It’s like a political cartoon.

Proven

On January 24, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Here’s an excerpt from one of the 5 star reviews:

“Kudos Cooper Lawrence, this book was amazing.

Her book taught me that I should stop overachieving and worrying about “the little things”. When I’m working on some sort of project or doing an investigation of some sort, I need to stop worrying about things like “facts” and “correctness”. When making judgements on things, it’s often easier to make things up based on things we’ve heard or make sweeping generalizations. It’s much easier this way and pretty peaceful! It’s taken the stress out of my life.

I’m now to be scheduled to appear on a well-known 24-hour news network as a so called “expert”! And I didn’t even need a PhD!

Thanks Cooper! You’ve changed my life!”

Yeah, I think this actually is very helpful.

Rem

On January 25, 2008 at 1:32 am

@used cisco

I totally hear you and understand where you’re coming from, taking the high road is something we all should consider in our dealings with people.

If this was gamers vs. large corporate entity – we would have to band together and play it smart and cool work our way from the outside in. But to me this is not the situation we have. It’s not us vs. some company it’s much more personal.

Cooper Lawrence is a name and a face. Much more accessible, and thus easier to get a message across. No, I don’t agree with unnecessarily foul comments being made…but they don’t represent all of us. And the admins over at Amazon have done a good job weeding them out and keeping it clean.

On top of this being a personal matter, it’s also – underneath – a battle of mediums (TV vs Internet) and a battle of the media vs the public.

I don’t care how many books she sells due to the attention, that doesn’t matter.
Nor do I care about the idiots who would buy the book anyway. We are making her an example. What matters is that the message gets through to her, to people like her, and to the media at large…”We are not taking your crap anymore.”

There is always room for the more reserved approach, but sometimes you just have to “put foot to ass”.

used cisco

On January 25, 2008 at 8:41 am

@Rem,

To a certain extent I agree. It’s not just about “the high road”. I’m also saying that I don’t think this tactic will achieve what you are hoping.

You say you don’t care how many books she sells, but do you really think its possible to “make her an example” or “get through to her” when the end results of all your efforts is nothing more than making her and her publisher more money?

And the idea that “we’re not taking your crap anymore” seems a bit misplaced. Has this woman demonstrated a history of creating problems for gamers? Or is she just an easy target for years of frustration at the media and “people like her”? To my knowledge this was a one time event with her. We’re not talking about Jack Thompson here.

weclock

On January 25, 2008 at 9:37 am

You know, Used Cisco is right, but I can’t help but imagine her sitting there, crying because her book has such poor reviews… and get a little giddy thinking about it.

Ron Whitaker

On January 25, 2008 at 10:00 am

@Rem: You say, “No, I don’t agree with unnecessarily foul comments being made…but they don’t represent all of us. And the admins over at Amazon have done a good job weeding them out and keeping it clean.”

The point that used cisco has been making, and that I was making earlier in this thread, is that it DOES represent all of us. Sure, we can all say that we’re not like that, but when someone comes out and makes a statement like that, it validates all the public criticisms of gamers, and causes people who might otherwise listen to a reasonable approach to simply block us out.

There arer much better ways to protest things like this, but the majority of us seem to always want to take the easy way out, with the instant gratification.

Bandeeto

On January 25, 2008 at 12:44 pm

I’m glad she’s getting what she deservs. I have no problem with posters trying to ruin her credibility… she did exactly that to Bioware. In the end, we’ve got to stand up for what we care about. I care a lot more about Bioware making Mass Effect 2 that some impulsive-mouthed shrink with a crappy radio show (yes it’s bad, I actually listened to some).
If you can’t stand the heat, then don’t get on TV. If she’s to stupid to watch what she says on national TV, then we’re doing her a favor by scaring her away early before she has a chance to confirm that she is a idiot.

Mass

On January 25, 2008 at 2:13 pm

her website:www.cooperlawrence.com

Blindhammer

On January 25, 2008 at 11:19 pm

cool! http://www.spymac.com/details/?2334927

EE

On January 26, 2008 at 9:38 am

Here’s the New York Times article in which she is quoted saying she was wrong:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html?ref=arts

I want her to do it on national television. That’s what I want. I want her to do an apology on the very same show that she LIED on. I want the same coverage for her apology that her blantant LIES received.

ProNice

On January 27, 2008 at 3:37 am

It does not matter if she deserves it or not. She stirred up a hornet’s nest and that is what happens..

aka_Pyro

On January 27, 2008 at 1:24 pm

Cooper has learned the hard way that when one chooses to bash a more intellectual game such as Mass Effect, one will get flak from gamers of all genres. If she wants to say negative things about a game, she should of course speak about games that deserve it. Such as “Custer’s Revenge,” the disgusting (in many ways) game where you play as a racist rapist on the Atari 2600. My fellow gamers, in my best Arcturus Mensk impression, I implore you to let no gamer deny the perils of our time, from this day forward, let no gamer make war on any other gamer (unless in competition), let no media agency conspire against this new beginning, let no gamer consort with corrupt powers (unless in competition) and to all the enemies of gaming, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through, no matter the cost.

Oddyssis

On January 27, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Lol I was just viewing the tags on Coopers book, go to the amazon link at the top, scroll down till you find the tags and hit the view all.

William

On January 27, 2008 at 2:18 pm

aka_Pyro: the strange thing is that they mentioned the good old days of Atari games on Fox News. Some of the games back then were disturbing in my opinion. I really think the problem now is even bigger than anti-gamers vs. gamers. This has really become a free speech issue and an issue which will cause many of us to stand up against those who wish to censor our thoughts and experiences.

If I wanted censorship, I’d build a time machine and beam myself back into Nazy Germany or something. I’m sure if Hitler were around today, he’d be all about having public video game burnings.

Karen

On January 28, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Would emails have worked? We’ve seen how Fox and Cooper behaved towards the gaming representative, so I say “no”. An email is silent and easily deleted. Would letters to the bookstores? Maybe, but that’s reviews basically were, public letters. Welcome to the age of the internet.

Although there are those who think it was childish and wrong, and some comments were, there were also witty and intelligent ones, and the voices of the gamers were heard. Was it such a wrong course of action then? I don’t believe so. Disagree and tell me I’m wrong if you like, but it worked, and she admitted her ignorance.

Jeremy

On March 14, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Actually, Amazon is actively deleting ‘reviews’ that don’t talk about the book, but rather the controversy. As of a few minutes ago, there are overwhelmingly negative reviews for that book and others by her, you just have to make it seem as if you’ve read the book.

Free Xbox 360 Elite

On March 22, 2008 at 3:45 am

Haha, good stuff. Well, I’m all for this. I should be leaving a “review” as well some time soon. Of course, I partially put the blame on FAUX News for letting her on in the first place.

Wii Boy

On May 12, 2008 at 6:22 pm

If that’s what she saw and believed, then who are we to argue, it’s a free opinion after all. The important thing is to buy the game and enjoy it. It may even be cheaper if the negative reviews continue :lol:

sunny beach

On July 22, 2008 at 6:40 am

lol,
“I’m also quite disappointed that Mrs. Lawrence would use sex appeal (the cover) to sell her book. Whether she realizes it or not there are a lot of kids in book stores today that will see this and get the wrong impression.”

The irony.

gfjfgfgsfg

On January 28, 2010 at 11:21 pm

The internet is the domain of gmaers by right of force it is time we show it.

gfjfgfgsfg

On January 28, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Damn I mispelled how do I take that last review off.

gfjfgfgsfg

On January 28, 2010 at 11:25 pm

If Amazon.com doesn’t respect our opinions then we will buy our games from Bestbuy and our official game guides from Barnes and Noble.

gfjfgfgsfg

On January 28, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Plus her third book was totally about how men were to blame for everything and had to be fixed based on the 60 one star reviews. This and her picture on the cover makes me think she may bat for the other team. She accused gamers of objectifying women while she does far worse to men.

sdsdgsdg

On May 10, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Interesting to see this post a few years on

Pollux

On November 27, 2011 at 1:08 am

Consider this a career lesson; don’t cite sources based on hearsay and belittle an entire community because of hearsay.

Rayford Lundquist

On December 3, 2011 at 7:30 pm

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