Gaming Today File-N-Forget Podcast Episode 8: Orange Crush

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It’s Friday, and that means we’re going to squeeze in a podcast before the week ends!

This week, hosts Ron Whitaker and Shawn Sines are joined by several other members of the Gaming Today news team to talk about this week’s hottest game, The Orange Box. Steve Burgin, Stephany Nunneley, and Chris Pereira are all in the studio to chat about what is quickly becoming one of the highest rated games in history.

Does it live up to the hype? Is it a letdown? You’ll have to tune in to find out. Also, we take a few minutes out to allow the entire group to Rant or Rave about their own topics.

You can grab this episode of the File-N-Forget Podcast here.

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43 Comments on Gaming Today File-N-Forget Podcast Episode 8: Orange Crush

xx-Thor-xx

On October 12, 2007 at 11:03 pm

are you guys on iTunes?

Ron Whitaker

On October 13, 2007 at 1:20 am

Hey guys, thanks for the comments. Our iTunes feed should be up and running in the next week or so. You can rest assured that we’ll let you know when it happens

Phil Migrowen

On October 13, 2007 at 5:16 am

Unless your download counter is screwed, no one is actually listening to your podcrap except for a few unfortunate bastards like myself who didn’t know what a waste it was going to be.

On a related note whoever mic’d Stephany should be shot because she was barely audible (which in retrospect was probably a good thing although I do agree with her sentiment that portal is crap).

In addition whoever mic’d the rest of you fools should be shot because you’re idiots with nothing worthwhile to say. The fact that most of you think Team Fortress 2 is the best multiplayer shooter you have ever played simply means that you haven’t played many online shooters because if you had you would recognize that Team Fortress 2 is simplified, derivative garbage stuffed in a trash bag with cartoon characters on it. Ron especially demonstrated how worthless his opinion is on the matter when he revealed himself to be a World of Warcraft grind-monkey by raving about WOW at the end.

Your worthless podcrap wasted 23 minutes of my time. So, next week instead of a podcast just write up a transcript of your pointless ramblings and post it as a news article so at least people can print it out and use it for something useful like toilet paper.

Daniel

On October 13, 2007 at 7:57 am

@Phil: Wow. That has got to be the most negative comment I have ever read on anything. And where can I download your podcast? I’d love to hear what you have to say…what? What’s that you say? You don’t't have one? Yea..that’s what I thought.

As for the counter, it doesn’t update in real time. Do you know how much strain it would put on our servers if the download counter was updated in real time for every single file we have at filefront? Trust me when I say we have a whole lotta files and the way our counter works now is fine.

Thanks for listening and we look forward to hearing your comments on our next podcast. ;)

weclock

On October 13, 2007 at 9:00 am

That’s kind of silly to assume he doesn’t have a podcast.

Ron Whitaker

On October 13, 2007 at 9:04 am

Hey Phil, thanks for listening!

Yep, I still play World of Warcraft. I’ve got a great guild full of friends, and it’s a fun game. That’s why 9+ million people still play it.

On top of that, I play a ton of other games across multiple platforms. I’ve never understood the attitude that many gamers take at ridiculing the gaming choices of other people. How is anyone qualified to judge what someone else thinks is fun? That’s right, they aren’t.

Chris says he feels that TF2 is the best multiplayer shooter he’s ever played. Great! That’s his opinion, and your belligerent ramblings here don’t change the fact that he feels that way. Personally, I’d lean towards something revolutionary, like Tribes or Battlefield 1942, but that’s just me. Again, it’s an opinion, which means that all of us will have differing ones at times.

The bottom line is actually fairly simple, and I hope you can grasp this. We’re offering up our opinions on the industry. You can agree or disagree, but that doesn’t make our opinions any less valid than yours. If you wish to continue your pointless criticism of our efforts, feel free. Everyone needs something to do.

Again, thanks for listening!

Stephany

On October 13, 2007 at 10:02 am

Maybe we should include Phil in on our next “podcrap” since he so many worthwhile things to say. :grin:

Shawn Sines

On October 13, 2007 at 10:41 am

Well Phil is entitled to his opinion as we all are. Sorry he felt the time was wasted. By the way a quick google search on Phil revealed he has a dislike for TF 2 so he was probably predisposed to dislike the opinions many of the crowd produced.

Norbit

On October 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

Props to Phil for listening to the whole thing even though he obviously hated every second :mrgreen:

Overall I liked the podcast. I like ones I can listen to while working on something else and I will definitely subscribe if you get it on itunes.

Having said that the sound was a bit off. Shawn sounded like he was talking down a long distance phone line, Chris was (I think) was trying to eat his mic and Stephany had a kind of UFO hover sound effect going on :lol:

You could certainly do with editing out all the looooooooong pauses to make it a bit more snappy and I dont even want to know what was going on at 15:39m :?:

Shawn Sines

On October 13, 2007 at 11:52 am

Norbit,

Well this week was a bit different than the previous podcasts. It was an experiment for us to get everyone recorded. I will probably go back and tighten up the sound a bit this weekend. We were trying to get it up and live before the weekend.

I’ll go back in and cut the delays out for sure.

Stephany

On October 13, 2007 at 11:59 am

Actually Norbit, you called me out! I was sitting in my space craft with a nice piping hot cup of Vulcan blood and munching on roasted Tribbles while I did the podcast. LOL!!!

Seriously though, I agree with you – we worked really hard to get me to sound properly to no avail. I chalk it up to either a crap headset or maybe I wired it up wrong – either way I still had fun doing it and I was pleased to hear my voice sounding much better than it does in real life despite the humming. Thanks for listening, and we hope you check us out again next week! :grin:

weclock

On October 13, 2007 at 1:49 pm

You know, I never considered listening to another pod cast, until this thread. I think I’m going to give it a listen when you guys get on itunes.

Phil Migrowen

On October 13, 2007 at 2:59 pm

“@Phil: Wow. That has got to be the most negative comment I have ever read on anything.”

Thank you.

“And where can I download your podcast? I’d love to hear what you have to say…what? What’s that you say? You don’t't have one? Yea..that’s what I thought.”

I’d rather have no podcast than a crappy one like yours. It’s too bad you fools aren’t wise enough to share that sentiment.

“As for the counter, it doesn’t update in real time.”

You miss the point, fool. I didn’t download your podcrap the moment it was availble. If it was posted at the time of this news story, it had already been available for download for at least 8 hours. And, at that time the counter showed that only one other download of it had been made. Even as I type this the counter is at one download and at least nineteen hours have passed. How often does your pathetic counter update? Once a day? Other download sites such as FilePlanet which are most likely as large as Filefront don’t have any problem updating their counters with every download or at least more frequently. In addition, web page counters for enormously popular websites have no trouble updating every page load. Your excuse for Filefront’s pathetic counter is crap just like your podcast.

“Thanks for listening and we look forward to hearing your comments on our next podcast.”

You might look forward to comments, but you won’t get them because I won’t make the mistake of listening to your podcrap again.

Shawn Sines

On October 13, 2007 at 3:31 pm

Reminder to our guests: Please don’t feed the trolls.

Phil Migrowen

On October 13, 2007 at 3:43 pm

“Yep, I still play World of Warcraft. I’ve got a great guild full of friends, and it’s a fun game. That’s why 9+ million people still play it.”

9+ million people are most likely also addicted to crack cocaine, but that doesn’t make it a smart thing to do. Just because millions of lemmings are paying $15 a month to toil away at World of Warcraft doesn’t make it a good game. It simply means they don’t have the good sense or the self-control to stop. The reason for my pointing that out in relation to your other comments on your podcrap is that since you are a monkey who finds the grind and repetitive tedium of WOW to be fun, that explains why you are so enamored with Team Fortress 2 which is a simplified and highly derivative game which sophisticated and experienced online FPS players tired of years ago.

“On top of that, I play a ton of other games across multiple platforms.”

Well those “ton” of other games must also have been tedious and repetitive if Team Fortress 2 and the rest of the gamettes in the Orange Box stand out as exceptional in your mind.

“I’ve never understood the attitude that many gamers take at ridiculing the gaming choices of other people.”

Wow, you must lead a really sheltered life. When you put your opinion out for the public to hear and even ask for feedback as you do with your podcrap, you should expect to hear criticism especially when that opinion is as unoriginal and bone-headed as yours.

“How is anyone qualified to judge what someone else thinks is fun?”

by intelligence and experience When you get some, you’ll understand.

“Chris says he feels that TF2 is the best multiplayer shooter he’s ever played. Great! That’s his opinion, and your belligerent ramblings here don’t change the fact that he feels that way.”

Once again you miss the point, fool. In my criticism I am giving my opinion, and just because I criticized him for his opinion doesn’t mean I care if he changes his. If he wants to continue to be a fool and waste his time and money on overhyped, lackluster games, so be it.

“We’re offering up our opinions on the industry. You can agree or disagree, but that doesn’t make our opinions any less valid than yours.”

Of course it makes your opinions less valid because your opinions are based upon your ignorance and sycophantic desire to please game developers with your fawning praise. I, on the other hand, have enough courage and wisdom to point out that the emperor has no clothes when he doesn’t.

“If you wish to continue your pointless criticism of our efforts”

You really have a knack for missing the forest for the trees. Given the fact that you fools responded to it, my criticism of you obviously wasn’t pointless.

weclock

On October 13, 2007 at 4:05 pm

“Team Fortress 2 which is a simplified and highly derivative game which sophisticated and experienced online FPS players tired of years ago.”

I think they even posted an article on how games like ‘Bioshock’ and ‘Halo 3′ aren’t really next-gen, just the same old same old first person shooter experience.

Norbit

On October 13, 2007 at 4:11 pm

I would be interested to know which gamews

Norbit

On October 13, 2007 at 4:32 pm

Sorry, I hit the wrong button/s. Too many Stellas watching the rugby :lol:

I would be interested to know which game Phil plays. Persoanlly the online game I love most is Battlefield 2 and I have never really enjoyed the half life games or their derivitives. I would never dismiss them as rubbish thogh because so many hardocre ganmers like them. Thats the important point that Phill seems to miss with his crack analogy. If a load of 7 year olds loved WOW I would agree with him but from my experiance it attracts a lot of experianced gamers so there must be somthing good going on there. I think its to put it mildly but seeing as so many experianced gamers dont, I’m willing to accept that its a good game but just not to my tastes. like Halo for instance.

Thats a bit like the orange box. I dont like Ha;lf life as I’ve already mentioned but because a lot of the gamers who go to the trouble of writnibg for this site do like those games I will respect their opinions even though I disagree with them. Ultimatley I didnt like a single game this podcast talked about but because I respect the people who made it, it was still a good listen.

Come on Engalnd”!!¬¬hahaha

weclock

On October 13, 2007 at 4:36 pm

Maybe a good listen, but is it constructive to just ignore our differences?

Norbit

On October 13, 2007 at 4:54 pm

i dont think they are ignoring our differences.

Anyway I’m of to BFS2′s Jalalabad 24/7 Superserver to shoot some people in the head :grin:

Chris

On October 13, 2007 at 10:02 pm

Normally I wouldn’t respond to trolls, but I am quite compelled — you (Phil) clearly aren’t a fan of Team Fortress 2 or WoW. Why exactly does the fact that you view them as crap (or however you’d characterize them) mean that it’s the definitive viewpoint on the matter? I think TF2 is phenomenal. You don’t. Why are you automatically right? You’re entitled to your opinion, and you can hate whatever you’d like, but I don’t understand why you seemingly view your opinion as the only valid one.

Oh, and as for not playing many online shooters, you could name virtually any shooter in existence and I’ve played it. From the Unreal Tournaments down to all the Turok games, Doom, The World is Not Enough… get as obscure as you want, and chances are I’ve played it one point or another.

Daniel

On October 13, 2007 at 10:21 pm

@Chris: Redneck Rampage? :cool:

xx-Thor-xx

On October 14, 2007 at 12:30 am

lol

@chris: the bargin bin walmart games? turky hunter and deer hunter i think?

Chris

On October 14, 2007 at 12:35 am

@xx-Thor-xx – I have played more than one PC deer hunting games, sadly.

@Daniel – Yes, actually. I heard it was a funny game and not a whole lot unlike Duke Nukem, so I played it once the patch was released so you could play it on Windows XP.

For hell’s sake, I’ve played Ecks vs. Sever on GBA. :|

Chris

On October 14, 2007 at 12:40 am

Other random FPSs I’ve played, just for the hell of it:

Doom RPG
Ken’s Labyrinth
Command & Conquer Renegade
System Shock
Star Wars: Dark Forces
Marathon

xx-Thor-xx

On October 14, 2007 at 1:52 am

Ecks Vs Sever was so fun on gba lol
dark forces was the doom clone right? if so that was fun too.
System Shock 2 was better than the first one

the first 6 or so months after getting a PC i spent playing every old game i could find a way to run on my machine. there are a lot of old games that are freaking awesome and nobody seems to know or care about em today, until they get some remake or “spiritual successor”.

Ron Whitaker

On October 14, 2007 at 1:54 pm

I hate to do this, but I have to.

Phil, you said, “Well those “ton” of other games must also have been tedious and repetitive if Team Fortress 2 and the rest of the gamettes in the Orange Box stand out as exceptional in your mind.” Did you actually listen to the podcast?

I clearly stated several times that I didn’t think TF2 was the greatest thing ever. In fact I said it *might* make my top 10 of online multiplayer shooters. I also described Episode 2 as “more of the same old thing.”

I am also curious as to what games you’re currently playing, Phil. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to a new, awesome title that we can review here that will meet your standards?

The only revolutionary thing in the Orange Box was Portal. The rest was fun gaming. Not revolutionary gaming, but fun. Not every game can be groundbreaking, epic, and revolutionary. Honestly, for my $60, The Orange Box is a worthwhile purchase. I’ll eke enough enjoyment out of playing TF2 with my friends to justify that expenditure.

Ron Whitaker

On October 14, 2007 at 1:55 pm

@ Thor: If you loved System Shock 2, I hope you’ve played Bioshock. It’s basically the same game with an underwater art-deco setting.

weclock

On October 14, 2007 at 3:21 pm

I can’t get system shock 2 to work on my windows xp machine!!!

also, who here has played Narbacular Drop? I believe it is on filefront even . It’s a very fun game, and I think I might record a couple demos of it and put it up on youtube.

It’s the game the team who made portal made, that made valve hire them.

made, made, made, made, maid.

Phil Migrowen

On October 14, 2007 at 4:05 pm

“Did you actually listen to the podcast?”

As I wrote above, unfortunately yes I did listen to it, all 23 excrutiatingly boring minutes of it.

“I clearly stated several times that I didn’t think TF2 was the greatest thing ever. In fact I said it *might* make my top 10 of online multiplayer shooters. I also described Episode 2 as “more of the same old thing.”

That’s not the gist of what I took away from your podcrap, but I’m not about to waste my time listening to it again so I can pick out specific quotes and pick them apart.

“I am also curious as to what games you’re currently playing, Phil. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to a new, awesome title that we can review here that will meet your standards?”

Why the hell would I want you to review games I have already played? If I’ve already shelled out the money on a game, I sure as hell don’t need you to “bless” it for me. I already know what to think of the game at that point.

“The only revolutionary thing in the Orange Box was Portal.”

I wouldn’t call it revolutionary as it is certainly not the first puzzle-oriented FPS game (Dr. Brain’s Action Reaction on the Unreal engine preceded it by seven years), and it’s also not the first FPS game to use portals (Prey preceded it). So, Portal is more evolutionary than revolutionary, and even at that it’s still a short two-hour ride on a one-trick pony.

“Not every game can be groundbreaking, epic, and revolutionary.”

And, yet almost every game review site is scoring The Orange Box gamettes as the paragon of gaming perfection. Given the kind of raving that is being done about it, I would expect that the titles are groundbreaking, epic, and revolutionary. They’re not. They are simply two tired rehashes bundled with a short one-trick pony for the price of a real game.

weclock

On October 14, 2007 at 4:23 pm

1. I’d still like to hear what games you play Phil, because they sound really cool, and I’d like to try them.
2. Technically the first game to have these portals, was a 3d party mod for Half-life, entitled ‘Narbacular Drop’ like I had previously mentioned.
3. Can I get a link to Dr. Brain’s Action Reaction?

Ron, will you ever invite internet guests to appear on your podcasts? maybe you can patch them in through some voip program or ventrilo…

xx-Thor-xx

On October 14, 2007 at 10:48 pm

@ ron, yup i had it pre-ordered on steam as soon as it came up :D

Jonathan

On October 14, 2007 at 10:57 pm

hey, everybody, it’s phil again! the man with nothing better to do than troll around for something to write a long negative essay on and then attack everyone with a different opinion than his with schoolyard name-calling, since apparently this is the only place he can find an audience — especially seeing as he wrote not one, not two, but four lengthy comments in the span of less than 48 hours. thank you, internet. without you, people without friends wouldn’t have anything to do on the weekends. :roll:

Chris

On October 14, 2007 at 11:33 pm

Why didn’t you address any of my points, Phil?

Also, I believe your definition of high review scores is fundamentally flawed. It’s a general consensus that a 10/100%/etc. does not indicate perfection, and nothing can ever be perfect. It simply cannot be more highly recommended.

It sounds almost like you have something against The Orange Box, not just us. (We’re just a side effect, since we like it.) Angry PS3 fan, maybe?

xx-Thor-xx

On October 15, 2007 at 12:13 am

GFW magazine does a great job in scoring pc games, the whole heartedly believe 5 is an average game not 8 like some other places would lead you to believe.

Chris

On October 15, 2007 at 10:47 am

@xx-Thor-xx That’s across the board with the 1UP Network.

Ron Whitaker

On October 15, 2007 at 10:49 am

@Norbit:

Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to touch on something you mentioned here.

“Thats the important point that Phill seems to miss with his crack analogy. If a load of 7 year olds loved WOW I would agree with him but from my experiance it attracts a lot of experianced gamers so there must be somthing good going on there. I think its to put it mildly but seeing as so many experianced gamers dont, I’m willing to accept that its a good game but just not to my tastes. like Halo for instance.”

It actually IS a good game, but that’s not really what keeps me playing. By definition, MMO’s are about people more than gameplay. I enjoy the gameplay of WoW, but the people and friends I have made over the years of playing are what keeps me hanging out, raiding, and progressing. I enjoy playing games with these people. That’s what multiplayer games are all about.

weclock

On October 15, 2007 at 11:16 am

I really wish I wasn’t ignored…

Shawn Sines

On October 15, 2007 at 11:38 am

You aren’t ignored weclock.. I’m reading. :lol:

I can’t answer any of your questions officially but I’m reading them. We use Vent to record, which is why we had some odd audio problems this week. There were 5 of us all in different places, all with different mic setups.. its a miracle it worked as well as it did.

I’ll ask Ron the guest perspective question when we chat next just to make sure I can get you an answer.

I’ve had luck getting SS2 running on my Media Center 2k5 machine. there are patches you have to apply once you get the game installed. Maybe I can find the info for you.

weclock

On October 15, 2007 at 1:28 pm

I would greatly appreciate that!! :mrgreen:

Shawn Sines

On October 15, 2007 at 2:00 pm

weclock – http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69958
Try that.

http://mods.moddb.com/6832/system-shock-2-winxp2000-fix/

And that is the patch.

weclock

On October 15, 2007 at 2:47 pm

Thanks, I’ll try this out as soon as I get home!!