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		<title>By: Absalom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Absalom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well… Lets just face the truth here, both of you. Phil is NEVER wrong.&quot;

The irony here is that I can&#039;t tell if you&#039;re being sarcastic or not.

This about sums up this thread:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well… Lets just face the truth here, both of you. Phil is NEVER wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>The irony here is that I can&#8217;t tell if you&#8217;re being sarcastic or not.</p>
<p>This about sums up this thread:</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar af Milde Jacobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar af Milde Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Phil you&#039;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#039;s great how people that don&#039;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#039;t be wrong ever, and might as well &quot;flex&quot; that &quot;intellectual superiority&quot; wile you&#039;re at it too right? Get over yourself.&quot;

&quot;Rabid, you need to get yourself to a dictionary and learn how to spell. Only then might you deserve to be taken seriously.&quot;

Well... Lets just face the truth here, both of you. Phil is NEVER wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Phil you&#8217;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#8217;s great how people that don&#8217;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#8217;t be wrong ever, and might as well &#8220;flex&#8221; that &#8220;intellectual superiority&#8221; wile you&#8217;re at it too right? Get over yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Rabid, you need to get yourself to a dictionary and learn how to spell. Only then might you deserve to be taken seriously.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230; Lets just face the truth here, both of you. Phil is NEVER wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar af Milde Jacobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar af Milde Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, you deliver your opinions like santa delivers gifts, perfectly.
Everyone who in one way or another tries to &quot;beat&quot; Phil in an arguement has proven to be verbally retarded. Sure, don&#039;t agree with him, but you still wont &quot;win&quot; any conversations you have with him.
Phil was blessed by the gods with supreme conversational skills.
I bow down to thee.  :smile:

// OaMJ, 15 - Sweden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you deliver your opinions like santa delivers gifts, perfectly.<br />
Everyone who in one way or another tries to &#8220;beat&#8221; Phil in an arguement has proven to be verbally retarded. Sure, don&#8217;t agree with him, but you still wont &#8220;win&#8221; any conversations you have with him.<br />
Phil was blessed by the gods with supreme conversational skills.<br />
I bow down to thee.  <img src='http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>// OaMJ, 15 &#8211; Sweden</p>
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		<title>By: Silveressa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silveressa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye, in game advertising is a new low in the industry.

It&#039;s nice to play a game and immerse yourself in a fictional world for a while without being beat over the head with real world advertisements that really have no place in the games universe.

I mean in a game that takes place in modern day (like a racing game for example) then the revelantingame advertising would make sense (although be no less offending on principle and info collection) but in a game like Hellgate? Um the worlds a pile of ruin and most corps are burned out blasted apart buildings so why the hell is Nivida and Darkhorse posters up all over the place? (let alone be changing them over time to tout new products)

It&#039;d be nice to see something in the gaming enrioment relative to the game itself, such as maps of safe zone locations, recruitment posters for the templars, etc..

This kind of crap is just a thinly veiled attempt to make the company more $$$$ plain and simple.

Also on a side note, they DO charge for subscritoions (they have a free option but it&#039;s quite limited) So ingame advertising PLUS paying a monthly fee PLUS having to buy the game???!  :shock:

How greedy can these bastiches be?  :evil:

I agree with Whisp, stuff like this is why piracy is on the rise and will continue to grow.

Also with the absolute zero customer support Hellgate is offering (check their offical forums you&#039;ll see) the game isn&#039;t worth the hassle even if they paid YOU to play it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye, in game advertising is a new low in the industry.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to play a game and immerse yourself in a fictional world for a while without being beat over the head with real world advertisements that really have no place in the games universe.</p>
<p>I mean in a game that takes place in modern day (like a racing game for example) then the revelantingame advertising would make sense (although be no less offending on principle and info collection) but in a game like Hellgate? Um the worlds a pile of ruin and most corps are burned out blasted apart buildings so why the hell is Nivida and Darkhorse posters up all over the place? (let alone be changing them over time to tout new products)</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be nice to see something in the gaming enrioment relative to the game itself, such as maps of safe zone locations, recruitment posters for the templars, etc..</p>
<p>This kind of crap is just a thinly veiled attempt to make the company more $$$$ plain and simple.</p>
<p>Also on a side note, they DO charge for subscritoions (they have a free option but it&#8217;s quite limited) So ingame advertising PLUS paying a monthly fee PLUS having to buy the game???!  <img src='http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How greedy can these bastiches be?  <img src='http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree with Whisp, stuff like this is why piracy is on the rise and will continue to grow.</p>
<p>Also with the absolute zero customer support Hellgate is offering (check their offical forums you&#8217;ll see) the game isn&#8217;t worth the hassle even if they paid YOU to play it.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverDeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverDeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet is location people are fleeing.  Not the reason :)

If the companies turn the games that the masses are flocking into the same ad-soaked mess people fled in the first place... they will leave again - I know I did, and I have not missed cable TV since we cancelled it 6 years ago.  Same reason we stopped going to movies - the ads before them for 30 min just got to be absurd.

All those industries are failing - not because of the internet itself - but due to the internet offering entertainment, news, and information that has not been strangled to death in a mass of ads - although I do tend to avoid websites that chokethemselves to deathw ith advertisements too.

Make the web as bad as network TV, and people will move away from that medium as well - particularly when you introduce the advertisement factor into pay to play services.

:)

Sorry, pass on this game - and my passing on it means the 60 people in our gaming group will most likely pass as well.  Word of mouth is a great thing.    Sorry Bill roper, you do great work, but... in game adds in a pay to play game?

Sorry sir.  I think your games are generally good enough to be worth paying money for - if a sub and 60.00 at the shelf is not enough i&#039;d pay more - like I said... Roper an the Schaeffer borthers do excellent work - but I won&#039;t pay for EA ads.  Sorry sirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet is location people are fleeing.  Not the reason <img src='http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If the companies turn the games that the masses are flocking into the same ad-soaked mess people fled in the first place&#8230; they will leave again &#8211; I know I did, and I have not missed cable TV since we cancelled it 6 years ago.  Same reason we stopped going to movies &#8211; the ads before them for 30 min just got to be absurd.</p>
<p>All those industries are failing &#8211; not because of the internet itself &#8211; but due to the internet offering entertainment, news, and information that has not been strangled to death in a mass of ads &#8211; although I do tend to avoid websites that chokethemselves to deathw ith advertisements too.</p>
<p>Make the web as bad as network TV, and people will move away from that medium as well &#8211; particularly when you introduce the advertisement factor into pay to play services.<br />
 <img src='http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry, pass on this game &#8211; and my passing on it means the 60 people in our gaming group will most likely pass as well.  Word of mouth is a great thing.    Sorry Bill roper, you do great work, but&#8230; in game adds in a pay to play game?</p>
<p>Sorry sir.  I think your games are generally good enough to be worth paying money for &#8211; if a sub and 60.00 at the shelf is not enough i&#8217;d pay more &#8211; like I said&#8230; Roper an the Schaeffer borthers do excellent work &#8211; but I won&#8217;t pay for EA ads.  Sorry sirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Migrowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Migrowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Phil you&#039;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#039;s great how people that don&#039;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#039;t be wrong ever, and might as well &quot;flex&quot; that &quot;intellectual superiority&quot; wile you&#039;re at it too right? Get over yourself.&quot;

Rabid, you need to get yourself to a dictionary and learn how to spell.  Only then might you deserve to be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Phil you&#8217;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#8217;s great how people that don&#8217;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#8217;t be wrong ever, and might as well &#8220;flex&#8221; that &#8220;intellectual superiority&#8221; wile you&#8217;re at it too right? Get over yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rabid, you need to get yourself to a dictionary and learn how to spell.  Only then might you deserve to be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: k7991</title>
		<link>http://www.gamefront.com/hellgate-london-demo-plagued-with-ad-ware/comment-page-1/#comment-55072</link>
		<dc:creator>k7991</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nien: of course, i have seen my fair share of people making idiotic comments with acceptable spelling, so yes, it can go both ways, but i have found it rare to see intelligent points put forward by someone speaking in IM-speak outside of where it was originally intended to be used (that being, obviously, AIM/MSN and OL Game chatrooms)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nien: of course, i have seen my fair share of people making idiotic comments with acceptable spelling, so yes, it can go both ways, but i have found it rare to see intelligent points put forward by someone speaking in IM-speak outside of where it was originally intended to be used (that being, obviously, AIM/MSN and OL Game chatrooms)</p>
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		<title>By: John. W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John. W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabid:

&quot;Also it&#039;s really awesome to compare in game advertising to slavery. Because you know… They are the same thing. Remember everyone if you see an add you&#039;re entitled to reparations like the descendants of slaves.&quot;

Oh come now, I wasn&#039;t comparing in game advertising to slavery in any sense beyond the fact that it was widely accepted initially also, and if you&#039;re either incapable of realising that, or if the only thing you can say about my post is that it lacked clarity to the point that an idiot can misinterpret it, then you&#039;re on rather shaky ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabid:</p>
<p>&#8220;Also it&#8217;s really awesome to compare in game advertising to slavery. Because you know… They are the same thing. Remember everyone if you see an add you&#8217;re entitled to reparations like the descendants of slaves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh come now, I wasn&#8217;t comparing in game advertising to slavery in any sense beyond the fact that it was widely accepted initially also, and if you&#8217;re either incapable of realising that, or if the only thing you can say about my post is that it lacked clarity to the point that an idiot can misinterpret it, then you&#8217;re on rather shaky ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Nien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to SilverDeth, the reason those industries are slumping is because of the internet.

to k7991, that is one way to look at it. though it may seem idiotic, it is also true that it is easier and faster to type that way. grammar and spelling is simply a way to express yourself. it is not related to actual ability. which side is idiotic is questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to SilverDeth, the reason those industries are slumping is because of the internet.</p>
<p>to k7991, that is one way to look at it. though it may seem idiotic, it is also true that it is easier and faster to type that way. grammar and spelling is simply a way to express yourself. it is not related to actual ability. which side is idiotic is questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverDeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverDeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read that they are pulling this advertising crap I immediately cancelled my pre-ordered versions of hellgate at the local mall.  I no universe will I pay money to be barraged with advertismenets.  Count me out of this, and any game that has in game ads.  No game is good enought to justify it.  None.  Zip.

If the video game industry wants to walk their products down the same dead-man&#039;s path as newspapers, magazines, and network television, good luck to them - the greedy bastards can sink and drown just like those industries are right now.  Every week, as more newspapers, magazines tank, and the T.V. raiting slump further and further, I can&#039;t help but smile.

Count me out of this game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read that they are pulling this advertising crap I immediately cancelled my pre-ordered versions of hellgate at the local mall.  I no universe will I pay money to be barraged with advertismenets.  Count me out of this, and any game that has in game ads.  No game is good enought to justify it.  None.  Zip.</p>
<p>If the video game industry wants to walk their products down the same dead-man&#8217;s path as newspapers, magazines, and network television, good luck to them &#8211; the greedy bastards can sink and drown just like those industries are right now.  Every week, as more newspapers, magazines tank, and the T.V. raiting slump further and further, I can&#8217;t help but smile.</p>
<p>Count me out of this game.</p>
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		<title>By: k7991</title>
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		<dc:creator>k7991</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been many &quot;trends&quot; in the past few years, and most of them have turned a majority of people on the internet into idiotic fucktards with the grammar and spelling of a 12 year old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many &#8220;trends&#8221; in the past few years, and most of them have turned a majority of people on the internet into idiotic fucktards with the grammar and spelling of a 12 year old.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil you&#039;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#039;s great how people that don&#039;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#039;t be wrong ever, and might as well &quot;flex&quot; that &quot;intellectual superiority&quot; wile you&#039;re at it too right? Get over yourself.

Also it&#039;s really awesome to compare in game advertising to slavery. Because you know... They are the same thing. Remember everyone if you see an add you&#039;re entitled to reparations like the descendants of slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil you&#8217;re a condescending and conceded prick. It&#8217;s great how people that don&#8217;t think the same way as you are ignorant. You can&#8217;t be wrong ever, and might as well &#8220;flex&#8221; that &#8220;intellectual superiority&#8221; wile you&#8217;re at it too right? Get over yourself.</p>
<p>Also it&#8217;s really awesome to compare in game advertising to slavery. Because you know&#8230; They are the same thing. Remember everyone if you see an add you&#8217;re entitled to reparations like the descendants of slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: John. W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John. W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Get over it folks; in-game advertisement is the new trend.&quot;

And since when does that make something right or wrong?

Cheap manual labour in developing countries was a trend for a while, as was slavery.  If you want to lay down and roll over, go ahead, I&#039;ll stick right here with my ideals and my spine in tact though, thank you.

I&#039;m not against the advertisements, it would in fact add to the immersion in the case of posters, billboards, or dropped flyers, but when a &quot;Diet gun of cola&quot;, or tracking ones actions are concerned, I have a problem, if a major production firm employed someone to follow you around all day after purchasing one of their products, so that they can better advertise to you in future, I think there&#039;d be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Get over it folks; in-game advertisement is the new trend.&#8221;</p>
<p>And since when does that make something right or wrong?</p>
<p>Cheap manual labour in developing countries was a trend for a while, as was slavery.  If you want to lay down and roll over, go ahead, I&#8217;ll stick right here with my ideals and my spine in tact though, thank you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against the advertisements, it would in fact add to the immersion in the case of posters, billboards, or dropped flyers, but when a &#8220;Diet gun of cola&#8221;, or tracking ones actions are concerned, I have a problem, if a major production firm employed someone to follow you around all day after purchasing one of their products, so that they can better advertise to you in future, I think there&#8217;d be a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Plankfag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plankfag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil is right on.

You&#039;re all retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil is right on.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re all retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: corran</title>
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		<dc:creator>corran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone considered that the in-game advertising and EA&#039;s selling out to advertisers isn&#039;t because they don&#039;t expect to sell enough copies of the game? Could it possibly, JUST MAYBE, be to pay for the server space that they will have to upkeep so that people are able to play for free or for $5/mo less than other more well-established MMOs? This isn&#039;t D2. I&#039;m assuming that server space for more advanced games cost more than space for older, less graphically intensive games, although I could be wrong.

If you really hate the adverts that much, just unplug your internet and play single player. No one will think any less of you.

just my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered that the in-game advertising and EA&#8217;s selling out to advertisers isn&#8217;t because they don&#8217;t expect to sell enough copies of the game? Could it possibly, JUST MAYBE, be to pay for the server space that they will have to upkeep so that people are able to play for free or for $5/mo less than other more well-established MMOs? This isn&#8217;t D2. I&#8217;m assuming that server space for more advanced games cost more than space for older, less graphically intensive games, although I could be wrong.</p>
<p>If you really hate the adverts that much, just unplug your internet and play single player. No one will think any less of you.</p>
<p>just my thoughts.</p>
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