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		<description>Pete says:
October 20th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

&quot;Microsoft has a TCR (Technical Certification Requirement) that disallows this practice — you can&#039;t pay to unlock additional content on the disc. And trust me, they intensively test each TCR. This is FUD.&quot;

Not only is this twisting the law (they did actually use extra content - the presents&#039; textures and maybe the cousins&#039; - but releasing it on the Internet on day one instead of just putting it on the disk is nothing less than skipping around the TCR), then... it&#039;s also stupid. Many gamers don&#039;t have Internet at all, and there are also those (like me) who have Internet access but can&#039;t get VG consoles to connect to it. If they were going to add extra content on launch day, then where is the sense in limiting it to those who actually have video game Internet?

And I noticed something else: On the ice platform in the Princedom, there are two circles of melted snow that normally indicate locked levels, even after completing the game. As in, this was their plan from the very beginning; to squeeze cash out of Net-surfers and leave everyone else with half a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete says:<br />
October 20th, 2007 at 3:48 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft has a TCR (Technical Certification Requirement) that disallows this practice — you can&#8217;t pay to unlock additional content on the disc. And trust me, they intensively test each TCR. This is FUD.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only is this twisting the law (they did actually use extra content &#8211; the presents&#8217; textures and maybe the cousins&#8217; &#8211; but releasing it on the Internet on day one instead of just putting it on the disk is nothing less than skipping around the TCR), then&#8230; it&#8217;s also stupid. Many gamers don&#8217;t have Internet at all, and there are also those (like me) who have Internet access but can&#8217;t get VG consoles to connect to it. If they were going to add extra content on launch day, then where is the sense in limiting it to those who actually have video game Internet?</p>
<p>And I noticed something else: On the ice platform in the Princedom, there are two circles of melted snow that normally indicate locked levels, even after completing the game. As in, this was their plan from the very beginning; to squeeze cash out of Net-surfers and leave everyone else with half a game.</p>
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		<title>By: euge</title>
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		<dc:creator>euge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry that last post I was typing in haste on an SK, but I was obvious referring to the size of the DLC. The levels aren&#039;t adding any extra objects, so the levels won&#039;t contain anything new other than a handful of new cousins, and possibly a couple presents, which considering the minimalistic style of the game, definitely would not require much resources. With 200 pts per level, and 4 levels, 800 pts total, it comes out to an extra 10 bucks on a 40 dollar game because every 100 microsoft pts costs $1.25, and when the industry standard is now set to $60 at launch for just about every new release, you all ought to be thanking them for not giving you a $70 bill for a great game...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry that last post I was typing in haste on an SK, but I was obvious referring to the size of the DLC. The levels aren&#8217;t adding any extra objects, so the levels won&#8217;t contain anything new other than a handful of new cousins, and possibly a couple presents, which considering the minimalistic style of the game, definitely would not require much resources. With 200 pts per level, and 4 levels, 800 pts total, it comes out to an extra 10 bucks on a 40 dollar game because every 100 microsoft pts costs $1.25, and when the industry standard is now set to $60 at launch for just about every new release, you all ought to be thanking them for not giving you a $70 bill for a great game&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: euge</title>
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		<dc:creator>euge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that its more than enough, and that the extra eoom is for textures for the extra  cousins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that its more than enough, and that the extra eoom is for textures for the extra  cousins.</p>
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		<title>By: Blarb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blarb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut up for christ&#039;s sake. It isn&#039;t LOCKED onto the disc. Its basically items that ALREADY exist in the game reconfigured into new levels, cousins, and challenges. Jesus fricken crime-a-netly. If I do remember correctly Halo queers pumped out 12$ just to get stupid ass game modes that weren&#039;t worth anything.

If you like a game, and you like the company that makes the game, support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut up for christ&#8217;s sake. It isn&#8217;t LOCKED onto the disc. Its basically items that ALREADY exist in the game reconfigured into new levels, cousins, and challenges. Jesus fricken crime-a-netly. If I do remember correctly Halo queers pumped out 12$ just to get stupid ass game modes that weren&#8217;t worth anything.</p>
<p>If you like a game, and you like the company that makes the game, support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Moir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Moir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mike
&quot;you guys are idiot and the kind of pepole who are gonna get walked on there whole lives&quot;
If we were geting walked on, why would we be here to debate over this?

I can understand how people can see it as a rip-off, but lets get back to the point of this. It&#039;s not about DLC in general, it&#039;s about Katamari. Bringing it to XB360 will bring in some new players who havn&#039;t played the other 3 sony exclusive games. That being said, Katamari is not one of those BIG games. It&#039;s a very arcade-style game, and because of that, new buyers may not be willing to buy it at full price. Dropping the price was a good idea, but perhaps the producers wanted to see just how much the new market enjoyed it? So bring it out at a cheaper price, then have the option of buying more.

Another scenario, is that they may be willing to be bringing out new levels at a later date, but wanted to see whether people would buy them. I think if this gets any bigger and reaches the creators, they&#039;ll probably make a statement that&#039;ll clear it all up. I&#039;d love to hear their reasoning on this. I am quite sure that they&#039;re not doing it to squeeze out money though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike<br />
&#8220;you guys are idiot and the kind of pepole who are gonna get walked on there whole lives&#8221;<br />
If we were geting walked on, why would we be here to debate over this?</p>
<p>I can understand how people can see it as a rip-off, but lets get back to the point of this. It&#8217;s not about DLC in general, it&#8217;s about Katamari. Bringing it to XB360 will bring in some new players who havn&#8217;t played the other 3 sony exclusive games. That being said, Katamari is not one of those BIG games. It&#8217;s a very arcade-style game, and because of that, new buyers may not be willing to buy it at full price. Dropping the price was a good idea, but perhaps the producers wanted to see just how much the new market enjoyed it? So bring it out at a cheaper price, then have the option of buying more.</p>
<p>Another scenario, is that they may be willing to be bringing out new levels at a later date, but wanted to see whether people would buy them. I think if this gets any bigger and reaches the creators, they&#8217;ll probably make a statement that&#8217;ll clear it all up. I&#8217;d love to hear their reasoning on this. I am quite sure that they&#8217;re not doing it to squeeze out money though.</p>
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		<title>By: weclock</title>
		<link>http://www.gamefront.com/new-beautiful-katamari-dlc-is-a-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-26758</link>
		<dc:creator>weclock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t mind it, but I wasn&#039;t going to buy it anyway, I&#039;m not interested in Katamari Damancy, and I don&#039;t have a 360, so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t mind it, but I wasn&#8217;t going to buy it anyway, I&#8217;m not interested in Katamari Damancy, and I don&#8217;t have a 360, so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Greiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Greiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a free market folks...  Vote with your dollars if you don&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a free market folks&#8230;  Vote with your dollars if you don&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Rhodes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor says:
&quot;(But I tend to agree with the rest of the sentiment. Whether or not it&#039;s already on the disc, releasing it on the same week as the main full-price release and charging points for it is a very shady practice, and I&#039;d be strenuously objecting if anyone proposed doing such a thing where I work.)&quot;
I&#039;m glad they&#039;re doing it this soon. We knew to expect downloadable content, why not right away?
And of course, there&#039;s always the publishing time. DLC has much less publishing time than stamping discs and shipping to stores. I&#039;ll bet these levels weren&#039;t complete when publishing started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor says:<br />
&#8220;(But I tend to agree with the rest of the sentiment. Whether or not it&#8217;s already on the disc, releasing it on the same week as the main full-price release and charging points for it is a very shady practice, and I&#8217;d be strenuously objecting if anyone proposed doing such a thing where I work.)&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re doing it this soon. We knew to expect downloadable content, why not right away?<br />
And of course, there&#8217;s always the publishing time. DLC has much less publishing time than stamping discs and shipping to stores. I&#8217;ll bet these levels weren&#8217;t complete when publishing started.</p>
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		<title>By: DanB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s shady because it is content they created early enough to be in the game but didn&#039;t add for whatever reason.  I&#039;m on the wagon that they wanted to have a lower price point to sell a higher volume but still wanted to cash in as much as they could.  All the katamari fanatics will download the stuff, and they end up selling a few more due to the price.

It doesn&#039;t matter if it is on the disc or not...the question is why didn&#039;t they just include it?

@Casiotone: So you&#039;re saying that since PS3 costs more, publishers wouldn&#039;t try and milk customers for money?  The console maker is the one setting the price for the hardware, while the publishers are the ones dealing with DLC.  Not the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s shady because it is content they created early enough to be in the game but didn&#8217;t add for whatever reason.  I&#8217;m on the wagon that they wanted to have a lower price point to sell a higher volume but still wanted to cash in as much as they could.  All the katamari fanatics will download the stuff, and they end up selling a few more due to the price.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if it is on the disc or not&#8230;the question is why didn&#8217;t they just include it?</p>
<p>@Casiotone: So you&#8217;re saying that since PS3 costs more, publishers wouldn&#8217;t try and milk customers for money?  The console maker is the one setting the price for the hardware, while the publishers are the ones dealing with DLC.  Not the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: weclock</title>
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		<dc:creator>weclock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Casiotone,
The Wii is the cheapest, are you ignorant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Casiotone,<br />
The Wii is the cheapest, are you ignorant?</p>
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		<title>By: Casiotone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casiotone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys got a 360, you should have been prepared for this. Didn&#039;t you think it was fishy that out of all the new consoles, the 360 was the cheapest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys got a 360, you should have been prepared for this. Didn&#8217;t you think it was fishy that out of all the new consoles, the 360 was the cheapest?</p>
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		<title>By: cbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it really make any difference?  If they are going to make add-ons to the game that you have to buy separately what is the difference if they come on the disc and are locked or have to be downloaded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really make any difference?  If they are going to make add-ons to the game that you have to buy separately what is the difference if they come on the disc and are locked or have to be downloaded?</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait.. your evidence that the levels aren&#039;t on the game disc is that the download is only 384kb?

I&#039;m lead programmer on a pretty high-profile game at the moment, and can state without reservation that we could create an extra level in our game, using substantially less than 386kb of data, just by reusing art assets we&#039;d already used in other levels.

In fact, even at 384kb, I&#039;m wondering what the hell they&#039;re putting into them to make them so big..  fundamentally all that the download should include is a little list that says &quot;put a can of soup here, put a can of soup there, put a can of soup over there... time limit: 5 minutes.&quot;  Shouldn&#039;t be more than about 40-50 kb, tops, unless there are a couple new textures in there (perhaps to integrate into the UI?)

I haven&#039;t played Beautiful Katamari myself (not yet released locally) so can&#039;t really confirm, but merely going by the file size as evidence doesn&#039;t convince me at all.

(But I tend to agree with the rest of the sentiment.  Whether or not it&#039;s already on the disc, releasing it on the same week as the main full-price release and charging points for it is a very shady practice, and I&#039;d be strenuously objecting if anyone proposed doing such a thing where I work.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait.. your evidence that the levels aren&#8217;t on the game disc is that the download is only 384kb?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m lead programmer on a pretty high-profile game at the moment, and can state without reservation that we could create an extra level in our game, using substantially less than 386kb of data, just by reusing art assets we&#8217;d already used in other levels.</p>
<p>In fact, even at 384kb, I&#8217;m wondering what the hell they&#8217;re putting into them to make them so big..  fundamentally all that the download should include is a little list that says &#8220;put a can of soup here, put a can of soup there, put a can of soup over there&#8230; time limit: 5 minutes.&#8221;  Shouldn&#8217;t be more than about 40-50 kb, tops, unless there are a couple new textures in there (perhaps to integrate into the UI?)</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t played Beautiful Katamari myself (not yet released locally) so can&#8217;t really confirm, but merely going by the file size as evidence doesn&#8217;t convince me at all.</p>
<p>(But I tend to agree with the rest of the sentiment.  Whether or not it&#8217;s already on the disc, releasing it on the same week as the main full-price release and charging points for it is a very shady practice, and I&#8217;d be strenuously objecting if anyone proposed doing such a thing where I work.)</p>
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		<title>By: weclock</title>
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		<dc:creator>weclock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clown Soup-
I don&#039;t really think that analogy applies, considering you down own the rights to the content on the disc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clown Soup-<br />
I don&#8217;t really think that analogy applies, considering you down own the rights to the content on the disc.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is wrong with you guys!!!
pretty soon your gonna buy the game and the only thing your going to be paying for is the plastic its made out of!!

its not so much the game its the fact that there doing this
its really unfair!


clown soup made a good point you guys are idiot and the kind of pepole who are gonna get walked on there whole lives</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is wrong with you guys!!!<br />
pretty soon your gonna buy the game and the only thing your going to be paying for is the plastic its made out of!!</p>
<p>its not so much the game its the fact that there doing this<br />
its really unfair!</p>
<p>clown soup made a good point you guys are idiot and the kind of pepole who are gonna get walked on there whole lives</p>
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