Nvidia: PS4 Specs Are Comparable To A Low-End PC

Nvidia’s Tony Tamasi says that the company, which previously provided the PlayStation 3 with its GPU, did not want to do business with Sony for the PlayStation 4 this time around for the amount the console developer was willing to pay.

Tamasi chose not to mince words and stated simply that the PlayStation 4′s specs resembled that of a low-end PC.

“Compared to gaming PCs, the PS4 specs are in the neighborhood of a low-end CPU, and a low- to mid-range GPU side,” said Nvidia’s Tony Tamasi in an interview with TechRadar. He claims that the system, which has yet to be released, is already outperformed by existing PCs. “If the PS4 ships in December as Sony indicated, it will only offer about half the performance of a GTX680 GPU (based on GFLOPS and texture), which launched in March 2012, more than a year and a half ago.”

Tamasi also shared his view that consoles have a limited lifespan, and their closed nature hinders them in the long run.

“What you get today in terms of performance is what you’re stuck with five – 10 years down the road. PCs don’t have these problems,” he said. “They are open and can be upgraded at any time to harness the power of newer GPUs for more performance and to take advantage of newer, modern graphics technologies.”

“If history predicts the future, then these next-generation consoles, while being more powerful than the current ones, will very quickly end up more than an order of magnitude behind the PC.”

Tamasi concluded that cutting its ties with Sony was for the best, as it allowed Nvidia to focus on developing next-gen hardware like the Geforce GTX Titan for the PC and work on delivering high-end graphics processors to Apple.

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40 Comments on Nvidia: PS4 Specs Are Comparable To A Low-End PC

Jay

On March 17, 2013 at 1:59 pm

Not to be all “PC Master Race!”, but I chuckle at my friends who all play on consoles and say that the next-gen consoles will crush PC’s in visuals. Outdated mid-range hardware from the last generation was there GPU usage of choice? Bah. Then I give them the numbers and they quickly re-adjust there thinking. The most visually impressive games I saw this generation was God of War & Uncharted for PS3, and Gears of War 3 & Halo 4 on 360.

It’s damned impressive what they’ve managed to squeeze out of the current generation, that’s for sure. Hopefully the next-gen consoles will bring PC gaming back into the fore (new architecture is highly similar to PC’s, making for easier “ports” between the three systems).

Swcloud99

On March 17, 2013 at 2:50 pm

@Jay
While I agree that on a technical level, consoles can’t catch up, your argument disregards the advantages of a dedicated gaming machine.

TheDog

On March 17, 2013 at 5:52 pm

@Swcloud99 Like what exactly? My computer, while being more than just a gaming machine is designed to be a killer gaming machine. It’s faster, better graphics, as good if not better sound, less lag, I can use a controler or keyboard/mouse(or thumbtrackball in my case).
The only true benefit is it’s portability, and that’s not too much trouble for me as I use a midsize tower which is fairly easy to move. So what benefits are you talking about (besides console exclusives)?
Oh yes, I forgot. I can plug into any flatscreen tv and my keyboard/trackball are both wireless so I can sit where ever I want and play.

Wesker1984

On March 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm

Yeah, yeah, yeah but when you upgrade to another Windows your old PC games doesn’t work on it anymore and you need to search as hell on the web to find a compatibility program who doesn’t work well.

I’m still a pro-PS4.

Wesker1984

On March 17, 2013 at 6:05 pm

@TheDog
I was not answering to you but to the arguements said by Tony Tamasi.

jew

On March 17, 2013 at 6:44 pm

While yes, hardware wise they are lesser then PC, but the reason why even current gens can do what they do is because the console has no overhead to constantly run in the background. When the new consoles come out, premier games on them will most likely stall a good PC simply because of the overhead. I do hope there will be more ports since they will be using very similar architecture.

folklore

On March 17, 2013 at 7:03 pm

@Wesker
That can happen, but for the most part i can run all the games i used to play back to windows 98 if i wanted to. There also are emulators which can be used to help the games run. Right now i’m enjoying a nice run through of diablo 2, and krush kill n destroy extreme( found on gog.com) both work exactly like they are supposed to.

R.J.

On March 17, 2013 at 7:58 pm

I don’t know, it’s hard not to read this with the sense that NVidia is just upset that AMD came away with the contract for the PS4. It comes off a little bit like saying, “Fine, I didn’t want to work with you anyway.”

Jay

On March 17, 2013 at 8:07 pm

“@Jay
While I agree that on a technical level, consoles can’t catch up, your argument disregards the advantages of a dedicated gaming machine”

Did I mention anything other than hardware capability? No. So don’t put words in my mouth.

Befits of a dedicated gaming machine (more accurately a console)? You have portability, ease of set-up, a controller, simple distribution, and a cheaper initial start-up cost for most people… Only the majority of those apply to a PC as well. So you have convenience and partially cost.

TheDog

On March 17, 2013 at 8:37 pm

@Wesker I know you weren’t responding to mine, but I’ll answer yours. Like folklore said, it does happen once in a while, but not completely. I’m running the original Fallout 1 & 2 on my Win7, as well as the original Thief, Deus Ex. Most times they will run, but if not there’s usually a patch or emulator that will allow you to play it. Just have to google it.
I know some people are more comfortible with the console, I just can’t figure out why. I guess it’s like how some people like chocolate and others don’t. You can’t really explain why, you just do.

Wesker1984

On March 17, 2013 at 9:24 pm

@TheDog
Peoples who prefer a computer over a console doesn’t bother me. What’s count is the fact that we are all fans of videogames. In my case i’m just an hardcore consoles fan. I will always prefer a good old type videogame consoles over a computer even when the consoles era will die. Also i think i’m a little technophobe.

By the way, do you know a place where i can find a patch or emulator who can make me run Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodline on windows 7? Any help will be appreciated, i miss this game so much and i can’t play it anymore.

folklore

On March 17, 2013 at 11:19 pm

@wesker.
I myself started as a console gamer. As for vampires it’s a great game. The latest unofficial patch which are required to run on modern systems can be found here. http://www.patches-scrolls.com/vampire_bloodlines.php It’s fairly safe, but I’d take precautions just in case.
Also the steam forums can used to find it again.

Wesker1984

On March 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm

Thanks folklore. ^^

TheDog

On March 17, 2013 at 11:37 pm

@Wesker Yeah, It’s actually not too hard. Several ways to do it. You see, the problem is it was ment to run on 2 or less gigs of memory, so when you have more it screws up. There is a patch to fix that (several patches if you want more than just the patch. Extra modders stuff). The latest unofficial patch gives you the fixes and alot more, like the library ( a user made addon). You may or may not want all the extra stuff, or it just fixes the bugs and gives you the memory patch, with no real extra content for those who want it as close to the original as possible
The address Folklore gave you, gives you all the official and unofficial patches you will need. Most peoples games works fine after the patches, mine on the other hand didn’t, but I found a way to get it to work (mine was the steam version). Try the patch, if it works great, if not, get back to me and I’ll tell you how I got mine to work, and we’ll see if we can’t get you up and running..

Elem187

On March 18, 2013 at 7:27 am

I’m not finding anything false in his comments… If the PS4 was released today it would be considered on the low end of midrange budget gaming rig….. by the time it releases this fall it will be a low end gaming PC…. I think this is the first time that consoles wont launch on par with upper midrange to high end PC equivalent parts…… that just means within the first year of the consoles life it will get left FAR behind by even the cheapest of gaming systems.. by its second year an off the shelf Dell budget system will outperform the PS4.

Elem187

On March 18, 2013 at 7:31 am

@Jew with Steam being compatible with linux, PC gaming will have even less “overhead” as you call it…. The Linux operating system is designed to run on everything from a toaster up to a supercomputer. So that “overhead” advantage you claim the PS4 will have would be reversed in this situation where the PS4 OS would have all the bloat….. The only reason why I’m not fully on Linux is because the gaming hasn’t been there yet, and Valve has been working on that for awhile now porting games over to the OS. When steambox releases, it will eat consoles for lunch..

oldschool

On March 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm

I like and agree with what nvidia says about ps4 and consoles in general. I love to play both but imo
Pc’s will always lead the way thats why consoles are becoming more pc like in a diluted way multipurpose machines. They seem to borrow more pc tech and ideas with every generation of hardware.

Wesker1984

On March 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm

@TheDog or folklore
I reinstaled the game on my PC then i instaled the Unofficial english patch 8.5.1. The game run but i hear just the sounds, no videos, only a black screen. Any advice? Thanks!

Tiagonal

On March 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm

And I thought PS3 would evolve itself to grid computing (cell processor). Even Nvidia begun its Grid projects… just in case.

TheDog

On March 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm

@Wesker, Wow, thats a new one for me. Is this a disk installation or steam? When you installed the patch, did you do a full install or just the smaller patching to keep it closer to the original?

folklore

On March 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm

@wesker i had that problem too. What helped is minimizing and then going back into the game. That is what worked for me, I have no idea why. No guarantee that it works.

TheDog

On March 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm

@Wesker, If Folklores fix doesn’t work, steam says to go into the Vampire.exe properties and check the two boxes “disable visual themes and disable desktop composition”. Guess others have had the same problem.

Wesker1984

On March 18, 2013 at 3:11 pm

@TheDog
Its a disk instalation. The patch have two options, install basic patch or install patch plus, i instaled the basic first and reinstaled it with the patch plus and nothing changed, the sound works but no videos just black screen.

@folklore
How i do that?

TheDog

On March 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm

@Wesker usually two ways to shrink it. On a number of keyboards there a key that will do it. Mine is two buttons left of the spacebar with a windows flag on it. The other is to cntrl alt del. Then click the icon on the bottom of your desktop screen to bring it back up.

Wesker1984

On March 18, 2013 at 3:50 pm

@TheDog
Done, by doing that i can see correctly all the game’s publishers/developers logos in a small screen but after that the black screen return and the game seems to stop loading.

folklore

On March 18, 2013 at 5:12 pm

Does it freeze right after you get through the publisher screen or do you get to the main menu?

Wesker1984

On March 18, 2013 at 6:00 pm

I think its freeze but just the game not my computer. And no the main menu doesn’t show up.

Swcloud99

On March 18, 2013 at 7:32 pm

I think all the comments on here explain pretty well what I meant.
If I put a disc in my PS3, I know it’s going to run 100% no problem. I’ll never have to worry about it and it’s still going to run 10, 20 years from now (like my ps1 and 2, which I still use).
I won’t keep all my computers, OSs and the likes forever. On the other hand, I’ll never unplug my old consoles.
That’s not even talking about the treatment some devs give to their PC games and the console controller which I find a thousand times more comfortable than a mouse and keyboard.
In the end, that’s what console gaming has over PC gaming: it’s more comfortable to me, and probably to all the people who use them.

folklore

On March 18, 2013 at 8:36 pm

@Wesker
Is your disc in good condition?
I also did some searching on google, and i found a lot on crashing on start up not much on freezing.

Another thing you could try is setting your computer to using only 2 gigs of ram. Go to run and type in MSCONFIG after that go to boot, advance and set max memory to 2048 i believe. After that restart your computer and it will be running on two gigs. The unofficial patch should eliminate the need to do this, but well the game is picky. Not as bad as stubbs, but still very picky.

TheDog

On March 18, 2013 at 9:24 pm

@Swcloud99 No all the comments here simply tell the story of some computers. Mine, as I stated in an earlier post, runs all my earlier games. Funny thing, I seem to remember a little problem called the red ring of death, or the non stop b_tching because devs were having a hard time putting things right on the ps3 (Skyrim anyone). Difference is, if your’s bones up, your pretty much done, while I simply by a replacement part. Yes Weskers having some problems, but in the end, it will be fixed and working.
Oh and as I stated before, I can use a controller if I want. So no, nothing was proven except that you like consoles better than pc’s. Are your arguements can be disputed. I mean, don’t get me wrong. If you like consoles better, great. No problems here. Just don’t try to explain it with reasons that don’t make your case.

I will give you one thing though. Alot of Devs make game with the console in mind, and we pc users suffer for that, with cheap ports. That part does suck some times. Oh well, can’t have everything.
@Wesker still looking into solutions. Others have had this problem so there is a solution.

Evernessince

On March 18, 2013 at 9:27 pm

@Swcloud99

Actually the PSU on your consoles won’t last 20 years due to capacitor aging. Dust accumulation on sensitive parts like the CD lens and similar will also cause your older systems to fail after a period of use. The average fan lifespan is 20k hours or 3 years with very good care. You seem to have a misconception about PC gaming. I can play any game ever made on my new PC I made this year. I don’t need to have any extra consoles hanging around my house, worry about disks, memmory cards, or any of that kind of stuff. All I have to do is double click a file on my hard disk to load it up. With older games, it take just as long to load up a dos emulator. What happens when you console breaks? Very hard to replace a PS1 or N64. Very easy to replace PC parts. Don’t mean to bash on you, but I had to respond to a statement that was inaccurate. Oh and there are thousands of controller types for the PC.

@Wesker
If you can’t get it running through windows 7, you might want to try an emulator. I don’t know what windows version that game was designed for but each windows version has an emulator.

TheDog

On March 18, 2013 at 9:28 pm

@wesker One other thing you can try is getting a hold of a no_cd .exe. Believe it or not, that fixed my problems with the memory thing (along with the patches), but I had a steam version.

Wesker1984

On March 19, 2013 at 12:33 am

Thank you very much for your time and patience but i give up for today(familly duty). I will try other solutions next week during my spare time. Keep an eye on this topic or any other Mass Effect related news in case i need other advices or just to inform you that i resolved my problem.

@folklore
”Is your disc in good condition?
I also did some searching on google, and i found a lot on crashing on start up not much on freezing.”

My disc is in excellent condition (almost brand new). Also i’m not sure if the game freeze or just crash after the developers logo.

”Another thing you could try is setting your computer to using only 2 gigs of ram. Go to run and type in MSCONFIG after that go to boot, advance and set max memory to 2048 i believe. After that restart your computer and it will be running on two gigs. The unofficial patch should eliminate the need to do this, but well the game is picky. Not as bad as stubbs, but still very picky.”

I fear to use that kind of solution because it endommaged something in my computer programs in the past when i changed something in this option to try something else on another problem not related to that game. I may try that solution later if no other possible solution works.

@Evernessince
Can you share a link for emulators? Also Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines was made to run on Windows 95, 98 and XP.

@TheDog
” One other thing you can try is getting a hold of a no_cd .exe. Believe it or not, that fixed my problems with the memory thing.”
How i do that?

TheDog

On March 19, 2013 at 10:32 am

@wesker This is where you need to go. http://www.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_vampire_bloodlines.shtml#Vampire – Bloodlines [ENGLISH] No-CD/Fixed Image
I would try the 1.2 english/german version.

Foehunter82

On March 19, 2013 at 11:43 am

Yeah, I had heard for years about how much more comfortable console players feel with consoles. They say stuff like, “After a day in an office cubicle staring at a computer monitor, I don’t want to go home and sit in front of a PC.” Ok. Fine. I get that. But why go home and turn on your console (which is similar to a PC in some ways) which is plugged up to a TV (sort of like a computer monitor)? What’s more is that console gamers talk about how much they prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse. The PC has controllers, too, by the way. Also, if you’re so focused on not using a keyboard and mouse, why connect one to your console? You’re also tacking on hard drives, too. It’s only a matter of time before a console actually IS a PC.

I only mention these things because for years console gamers have argued that PC gaming was dying out, apparently missing the fact that their consoles were getting increasingly PC-like. It was an argument made for years to the point where it wasn’t really an accurate prediction, it just seemed more like console gamers wanting to start a flame war.

I’m a PC gamer. I don’t have a problem with consoles or console gamers. Though our gaming device of choice may vary, we still share the same hobby: gaming. I just felt the need to vent here because I’ve had a few years of frustration over the “PC Gaming is Dying” argument.

James

On March 19, 2013 at 3:59 pm

Overhead for PC vs Console? So you are saying the extra gig used up by overhead in an 12-36 gig memory system…

As oppose to the extra gig used up by Xbox Live, or PSOnline, in a 4 gig system?

No electronics is free of overhead these days. Even your Smartphone have overhead because of iOS or Android.

The only difference is PC can handle a lot more overhead than a console can.

There is no winning point to any argument about system specs or performance when it comes to console vs PC. Because console is weaker than a proper PC in every facet of that comparison.

This however means they are superior in just 1 – compatibility. You know EXACTLY what driver the system is using (since it only has 1 configuration) so the idea that there are some catastrophic failure due to 1 badly writtened code in the 2342934 possible drivers in any given system is much lower.

Wesker1984

On March 20, 2013 at 2:32 am

Thank you TheDog! I will try that next week.

Wesker1984

On March 22, 2013 at 11:40 pm

I combined some of your solutions together and the game finaly works! Thank you very much for your help ^^

Evernessince

On March 23, 2013 at 10:02 pm

@Wesker1984

I see you have your problem fix but just to resolve things, here is a link to one of the many windows emulators:
https://www.virtualbox.org/

They are many others, just the above one is free and can emulate many other operating systems.
You still need a valid license of the software though but you can find windows 98 free directly from the
microsoft dreamspark website.

Andser

On November 16, 2013 at 11:17 am

How the hell can some Nvidia employee speak about AMD GPU and CPU in PS3 ? They just cannot say that their GPU’s are weaker, no they will still swear about how ty is the AMD GPU so that they can say their GPU’s are better, YOU NVIDIA!