Posted on February 23, 2008,

Obama Sees Gamers As Underachievers?

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Numerous articles have been all over the web this past week claiming that Obama sees gamers as underachievers. Unfortunately, I believe that many sites have tried to take more out of one of his statements than was actually there. Here’s the quote used to support the idea that he is against gamers:

“I know how hard it will be to alleviate poverty that has built up over centuries, how hard it will be to fix schools, because changing our schools will require not just money, but a change in attitudes.

We’re going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, and instill a sense of excellence in our children, and that’s going to take some time.”

I’m not sure how you can use this as an example to prove he’s against games. If you look at all of the presidential candidates, Obama is probably the best bet when it comes to supporting media and individual rights. He is a Constitutional scholar and has a good track record when it comes to defending freedoms we deserve in this country. I feel his statement was simply using television and games as an example. I also believe that we need to parent better and instill a sense of excellence in our children. They do need to learn that there’s a time to play games and watch television, yet there’s a time to do other more important things. The same basic article has appeared on numerous game sites and I think we all need to step back and evaluate things a little deeper before jumping on the defensive.

Via Kotaku

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50 Comments on Obama Sees Gamers As Underachievers?

Joelteon7

On February 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Ah, the art of interpreting someone else’s words for them. An age-old recipe that ends up with at least one idiot behind it.

Considering video games are becoming prevalent in society (as in, actually being noticed) I think it’s a perfectly adequate example to use. Playing video games all day isn’t going to get you anywhere. Likewise watching TV. I’m fairly certain that was the point he was getting at, although obviously I could be wrong. Underachievers? No-where does he mention that people who play them are underachieving…If the sentence solely included TV, people who watched it weren’t going to be perceived as underachievers, so it’s exactly the same with the following part.

Decline1822

On February 23, 2008 at 1:34 pm

Clearly he was just using it to sound relevant, it’s not an attack on games it’s an attack on bad parents specifically in his own community.

He spoke at the church of MLK Jr. that black fathers need to play more of a role in their children’s lives.

JS

On February 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm

“Obama is probably the best bet when it comes to supporting media and individual rights. He is a Constitutional scholar and has a good track record when it comes to defending freedoms we deserve in this country.”

Actually Ron Paul is the best bet when it comes to supporting individual rights and knows more about the American constitution than Obama. Not sure what record you’re referring to but Obama voting in favor of extending our presence in Iraq, increasing military presence in the Middile East by 80,000 troops, and voting in favor of illegal immigration doesn’t show he is in it for our rights.

William

On February 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm

I was talking about actual candidates. While I agree with a lot of things Ron Paul stands for, he’s not what I would consider an actual possibility. Maybe one day we’ll see a libertarian make it, but that will probably be a very long time from now.

Jim

On February 23, 2008 at 3:57 pm

There’s nothing wrong with illegal immigration. As long as we give Mexicans in Texas and Cali (and Cubans in Florida) some meaningless, low-paid jobs in exchange for some semblance of citizenship and decent wages, there’s nothing wrong there.

You cannot honestly blame people for wanting to leave Cuba or Mexico (one of the poorest, saddest countries in the world). And America would be a good option. If there weren’t so many racists.

SO this post is relevant: Yeah, people are reading too much into what Obama said. He might be in a whole different league (not in a good way) from us, but at least he isn’t from Texas. I don’t think…

Cristian

On February 23, 2008 at 6:11 pm

It is very true that almost noone who spend its time soley playing video games will amount to something with it(i say almost noone thinking on people like jhonathan wendel “FATAL1TY” who actually got somewhere by being an exatrordinary player and he not the only one)there are other people who dedicate their lives to gaming and actually work by it (beta testers and testers in general not to mention gamer magazines). i do play a lot on my free time but i have a job and and life outside my computer it is not about stop playing but about learning how to balance things in your life.

He has a good point but maybe didnt use the correct words.

J.S has a very strong point he is not the best and shouldnt be mentioned at it.

The Round Peg

On February 23, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Ron Paul is anti-abortion. If you want to talk about individual rights and freedom of choice, the right to abortion is a fundamental one.

The Round Peg

On February 23, 2008 at 7:25 pm

But Obama is right: too many children are wasting away too much of their time on video games — and don’t lie about it and say that’s not going to negatively impact their study time and grades.

There are much bigger issues out there than just video games.

Most people here are teenage brats who are fanatical gamers (i.e., the kids who spend too much time playing video games and need to put away the video games). Of course, they are BIASED and lack any objectivity on this matter.

erathoniel

On February 23, 2008 at 8:54 pm

He’s talking only about the people who spend more time playing than studying and who get terrible grades because they don’t do anything.

lazysmartarse

On February 23, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Because I love controversy, and I’m arrogant, I’m just posting to let you know my story. Yes, I am a teenager and yes, I am biased and yes, I do play more video games than I do study.

I still get A+’s though.

Video games aren’t the problem, it’s either TV, rap, the education system, one of the other scapegoats or just the fact that nearly everybody else is simply not smart. And that’s OK. Intelligence isn’t everything, and video games certainly don’t require it, for the most part, so you’ll always have something to joyfully waste time on.

lazysmartarse

On February 23, 2008 at 9:47 pm

BTW, yes, I always randomly make comments that often have nothing to do with anything or anyone on various internet sites. Don’t feel special.

anonymouse

On February 24, 2008 at 12:04 am

there’s nothing wrong with obama’s choice of words. anyone who reads that and tries to say that he is against video games is probably out to satisfy their own agenda. those lines is his comment on attitudes not video games.

Somebody

On February 24, 2008 at 12:08 am

Who cares if Obama has anything to say or do with videogames. Your all !

gangstamac

On February 24, 2008 at 12:11 am

IMO I think Obama is right. Video games are addicting, and being a full time university student as well has having a 2000+ rated 2v2 in wow, its come to the point where I myself understand the addiction behind video games. Im not sure if its the design of games today, or that feeling of satisfaction that can transform your goals in RL, that take time and effort; into something that we can instantaneously feel within the gaming realm. Maybe video games are the problem, maybe TV is, or maybe people are just not strong enough to face whats really out there and drift in the cyber world. who knows, I guess more research needs to be done to find out what and why there is a problem.

Bryan D. Hughes

On February 24, 2008 at 12:14 am

In 2008 “Put away the video games…”

=

In 1988 “Get off the couch…”

Real life still has a place and a lot of real adventure to be had. There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out, nor would someone come and take away anyone’s 15 hour a day WoW habit.

John

On February 24, 2008 at 12:22 am

Ummm..

I think many people missed the point. I am in my 30s and still play. But I manage my time (sometimes). Anyways, I think he was talking about school kids. So, I don’t care, and I *know* his focus is not directed @ me. But, I do know some kids blow off possible preparations for their future (schooling) for gaming all day and night.

My 0.02.

Eirias

On February 24, 2008 at 12:24 am

I understand the sentiment behind Obama’s comment but I really wish it did not come down to using gaming as always the subject. Actually my grades in school IMPROVED when I started gaming…. was much easier for me to stop playing a game then it was for me to put down a good book :grin: .

I will reserve judgment on Obama until he screams “games are killers” or admits to owning a Wii for baseball of rainy days, heh. Wish still there was some other activity that looked inactive to use as an example but I am sure there are not enough bookworm kids like myself to promote “make your kids put down their books” (and poor politicians seen to promote illiteracy).

stinky

On February 24, 2008 at 12:26 am

Yes, his words have been taken out of context. Otherwise you could also claim that he is anti-tv (“turn off the television set”). But he’s not anti-TV (he’s said that The Wire is his favorite show). The fuller quote is about parenting. It’s about putting aside things for a while.

Gamers would have gone nuts if he had said something like:

“We’re going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, even though I have to say that Portal rocks, and instill a sense of excellence in our children, and that’s going to take some time.””

John

On February 24, 2008 at 12:26 am

Another point… My nephew plays until 5 in the morning many weekday nights. And I know he is not the only American who needs to learn the meaning of moderation. So, I think Barack was rightfully referring to kids like those I know..

Rollett

On February 24, 2008 at 1:21 am

Anyone else think he’s hot in that picture ?

business person

On February 24, 2008 at 1:48 am

Thanks for clarifying. Looks like everything should be taken with a grain of salt, as they say.

RONPAULSIE

On February 24, 2008 at 6:33 am

“Actually Ron Paul is the best bet when it comes to supporting individual rights ”
Unless you’re into buttsex. He opposed the sodomy case in texas.

Heru-Ur

On February 24, 2008 at 7:44 am

First of all, I think this was just an example he was using. Secondly, i have to laugh at you Ron Paul people. Saying he’s the best at anything while he is at the same time espousing the same political ideas that left us unprepared for World War II (i.e. isolationism) really is a joke.

William

On February 24, 2008 at 7:47 am

Heru-Ur: That is exactly why I only like some of Ron Paul’s beliefs. I really side with the libertarians on a lot of issues, but I’m not even sure if he is one. Isolationism is retarded at this stage in the world. We actually need to become more involved with the world if we want to survive.

Heru-Ur

On February 24, 2008 at 7:51 am

Ron Paul really is a libertarian pretending to be a republican, well he used to be anyway. He ran for president as the Liberitarian noninee in 1988.

daniel

On February 24, 2008 at 9:09 am

Ron Paul is not pretending to be a Republican. He stands for traditional republican beliefs. It is the other candidates who do not act like Republicans. Ron Paul is running on the same beliefs Bush ran with in 2000, but now people are calling him crazy for that? Paul doesn’t believe in isolationism either, as Faux news would have you believe. He believes in non-interventionism, which means being involved in trade with all countries, not in war. Also, just because a person is a gamer in high school does not automatically mean that they will be out of control game addicts. I used to play quite a bit, but now I have harder classes which require more time. I have the judgement to turn off the videogames, sometimes for weeks at a time, to study. I also make straight A’s, with honors and very advanced classes. In addition, people should be investigating Myspace, since many girls in my school are addicted to that.

Nathaniel Tucker

On February 24, 2008 at 10:53 am

No, the best Constitutional Scholar is Ron Paul. Only Ron Paul is for individual rights. He is the only one running who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act, and against the Iraq war (Obama was not around when the Patriot Act and war were first voted on, but he voted to continue both of them, showing his support).

Ivan_PSP

On February 24, 2008 at 11:05 am

Obama is a loser anyways hes never going anywhere Gamers will never cared about school lol only playing online.

Peter

On February 24, 2008 at 1:17 pm

“Obama is a loser anyways hes never going anywhere Gamers will never cared about school lol only playing online.”

Obama was talking about kids like this guy.

Heru-Ur

On February 24, 2008 at 3:13 pm

“Ron Paul is running on the same beliefs Bush ran with in 2000, but now people are calling him crazy for that?”

Did you seriously type that with a straight face? :mrgreen:

Heru-Ur

On February 24, 2008 at 3:17 pm

“He believes in non-interventionism, which means being involved in trade with all countries, not in war.”

Yeah like the non-interventionism that let Britian get bombed into near submission by Nazi Germany. The non-interventionism that let Hitler dominate western Europe. Yeah if thats non-interventionism I, and I think most of America want no part of it.

Rollett

On February 24, 2008 at 8:47 pm

I still think Obama is hot in this picture….

anonymous

On February 24, 2008 at 9:44 pm

[...]There’s nothing wrong with illegal immigration.[...]
If you’d ever had to immigrate here legally, compete with illegals for unskilled labor, or live in a neighborhood filled with the crime that comes with human smuggling, I think you’d feel differently.

William

On February 25, 2008 at 9:14 am

There’s definitely problems with immigration in this country right now, but I think we have bigger problems to tackle first. The U.S. really needs to get with it and get rid of racism and oppression. As long as a lot of Americans continue with their ethnocentric and nationalist views, there’s really not much room for progress. We also need to get rid of the greedy attitudes and go ahead and come up with universal health care, etc. It will save money in the long run anyway. I’m not sure who will be elected, but Obama might be the right guy. What we’ve had for the past 28 years (not including the 8 years of Clinton) has really set us back when it comes to progress. It’s really time for someone with new ideas.

weclock

On February 25, 2008 at 9:55 am

my friends and neighbors,
Socialism is what is to be feared
that is what offends individual rights.
I do not want health care. Yet if Hillary is elected
every one will have it.

As far as immigration goes, the way it’s being done, is illegally.
therefore it’s immoral, a sin against God.
And before you say “but I don’t believe in God!”
Look at those immigrants who do.

William, I don’t want progression.
These universal ideas aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long time.
first implemented by Mussolini and many other facists from Europe.

If you want a good life, you’re entitled to it, but you have to work for it. There is no free lunch.
And as I stated previously, I don’t want health care. I might sign up for it when I ask to get my vasectomy, but until then I don’t need it. I’m 21 years of age (todays my birthday actually), and I’d rather keep the money for childcare rather than paying for health insurance for myself. I’m healthy, I’m fine.

“progression” and socialism are very much related to communism.
They want to bring every one up to the same level, but they realize slowly but surely that they can’t so the same level gets lower, and lower.

That’s why the U.S.S.R. failed.
They’ll be no more rich! just a bunch of really poor people.

William

On February 25, 2008 at 10:27 am

The U.S.S.R. was not a true communist nation either. It fell for many reasons including internal corruption. I lean towards socialist ideas myself and don’t see a problem with mixing and matching from various social ideas until you get something that works.

I do think people should try to earn their lunch, which I have always done, but I don’t see a problem with helping out those less fortunate than us. If you take care of everyone in a society (even the poor), it pays off in the end. Right now we have infant mortality rates in the United States on par with 3rd world countries. There’s simply no excuse for the unfair division of money and power in this country right now.

Rollett

On February 25, 2008 at 11:43 am

I still…. think… Obama… is hot…. in that… picture…

(Plus internet debates like this are retarded everyone fights with out a face.. so they have the balls to say things they normaly wouldnt with no consequence to doing so.)

And Weclock i always knew you had some problems… But seriously do you want Regression ? Because if we dont get any progression thats whats gonna start happening soon… as more countrys pass us up.

weclock

On February 25, 2008 at 12:03 pm

I admit, it’s unfair,
but that’s how I like it!

weclock

On February 25, 2008 at 12:17 pm

The most progressive countries in the world slaughtered millions in the name of socialism. Do I really want us to be like them?

somewhat

On February 25, 2008 at 1:30 pm

”I’m 21 years of age (todays my birthday actually), and I’d rather keep the money for childcare rather than paying for health insurance for myself. I’m healthy, I’m fine.”

And in forty years you’ll be ing about having to pay for that expensive operation you can’t afford. :roll:
Try to look a little farther than your own nose, and try to think ahead also. What about your kids, hmmm?
We have a lot of social things here in Canada, and I don’t think the state has been killing thousands to do it either.
Open your mind a little. All of one or all of the other isn’t good, but a bit of everything would be best.

weclock

On February 25, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Yeah, in 40 years I’d like health care, and in 40 years I won’t be paying childcare, so I’ll be able to pay for it. I have the option to have healthcare right now, my job provides a wonderful plan for me, but I have no use for it!

I admit, a bit of everything is better than all one way or another, but not every one needs healthcare and not everyone wants it. Even those who may need it may turn it down in favor of holistic health care, or just choose to go without (i.e. Childbirthing).

But if you look at Hillary Clinton, and take note how she served under the head of the Communist party, I don’t think she wants a mix to preserve this e of life.

I think we’re dealing with a slippery slope here.

William

On February 26, 2008 at 9:18 am

You should do some research on the topic. The reason so many people fear socialized medicine is fear mongering that started with Nixon. He created this mess as a cost saving measure for the feds and it has just gone down hill from there. Reagan was on the payroll of the insurance companies in the 1970s and then took the ideas further once he became president.

It’s really strange how the cold war anti-communist and anti-socialist fear is still believed by so many people. So many people I know believe that if we have socialized medicine that all of a sudden we’ll become some sort of fascist society without freedom. Visit Canada or Europe sometime. They actually have more personal freedoms than we do.

Azzy

On February 29, 2008 at 9:45 pm

“Obama is probably the best bet when it comes to supporting media and individual rights. He is a Constitutional scholar and has a good track record when it comes to defending freedoms we deserve in this country.”

I guess that’s why he voted for the Patriot Act.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00025
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Barack_Obama_Homeland_Security.htm

Barack Obama

On September 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm

“Actually Ron Paul is the best bet when it comes to supporting individual rights and knows more about the American constitution than Obama”

Yeah, It’s not like Obama taught constitutional law at a law school.

Oh….wait…. :oops:

ali

On November 3, 2008 at 9:44 am

obama is interesting . oh obama :lol:

uzoukwu adanna oyetokumbo

On November 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

i am so happy u got the post of be a perident alway give god the glory and rem ur friend and relation god will alwy be ur strength i just got admission into unilag i also thk god almight.

Briiana

On November 6, 2008 at 3:00 am

:razz: OBAMA IS HOT

irene

On November 7, 2008 at 8:48 am

i love obama so much
good luck wiif u new job :smile:

p.s. u so hawt….

TITA

On November 7, 2008 at 5:16 pm

:grin: I THINK HE LOOK SO FUK3N HOT

ILOVEOBAMA

On November 7, 2008 at 5:18 pm

:lol: GODD DDAMM I JUST WISH I CAN FUK HIM .MAN