Portal 2 Rat Man Transmissions

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Hidden within the depths of Aperture Laboratories are the secret dwellings of Doug Rattmann, the last surviving Aperture Science researcher and an escaped test subject of the homicidal AI construct GLaDOS. He didn’t have the benefit of our Portal 2 FAQ, but he seems to have done okay.

“Rat Man” has a story that intertwines with that of Portal and Portal 2 protagonist Chell, which can be found in Valve’s comic “Lab Rat,” and he also has left drawings all over his hidden rooms. That’s not all he’s left behind, either — in two locations in the hidden Rat Man Dens are secret transmissions.

The first signal is accessible when you snag the “Final Transmission” Achievement/Trophy. You’ll have to get to the Rat Man Den #3, the instructions to which are found in our Portal 2 Rat Man Dens post.

The second signal is accessible if you turn on Valve Developer Commentary and go to Rat Man Den #6. If you access the commentary node while you’re in the room, you’ll hear the second signal.

Decoding the Signal

What you’re hearing — bursts of sound that kind of sound like 56K modem noises — are called SSTV signals. If you record them, you can decode them with SSTV software you can find on the Internet. We used the freeware found here.

If you can manage to record the sound from the transmissions (I’m using my iPhone, which is in no way ideal, but it is quick and easy) off your TV, play the recording into the mic on your laptop, the software will decode the sound into images.

Try it yourself! Or check back when we get our own transmissions decoded!

Here’s the one from “Final Transmission,” care of the Valve forums:

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65 Comments on Portal 2 Rat Man Transmissions


On April 23, 2011 at 5:18 pm

I managed to decode the ones at 6:


On May 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm

Wow…VALVe is ING GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On May 3, 2011 at 12:15 am

i didnt notice that signal
i hope it have connection in half life 2 ep 3


On May 9, 2011 at 6:46 pm

@pawful thats pretty cool but you werent the first. nice try though


On May 20, 2011 at 7:05 am

are these images also present in the transmission received instances in Portal? There’s quite a few of those..


On May 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm

um all i saw was a companion cube,whats so special bout that.


On May 23, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Its a companion cube in space.
And so the theory that Rat man went to space is back.

Phil Hornshaw

On May 23, 2011 at 2:04 pm

Actually, what I think we’re looking at is a companion cube on the moon. The idea being that Aperture has traveled to the moon since discovering the capabilities of Conversion Gel. Possibly alluding to an Aperture lunar base? Who knows.


On June 11, 2011 at 4:23 pm

ok, so heres my theroy. rat man is at some lunar base (portal 3?), he got some weird secret stuff from aperture. maybe if we combine all the secret transmissions, we might get something that makes sense. ill let y’all know if i find anyhting.

El Graffo

On June 17, 2011 at 11:54 pm

Sorry for my english, i’m argentinian… I think kuka’s theory is rigth, but incomplete, when you finish portal 2, wheatley go to the moon, i think, in portal 3, rattmann find wheatley and he need to be free of him (wheatley).. I don’t know, I just a man thinking.. :/

Portal Master

On June 22, 2011 at 8:34 am

(sorry for my bad english) I think who this man who have wrote on the walls is the adoptive father of chelland his name is cave johnson,and the segretary (carolyne) is chell. Caroline/Chell (when his father go crazy(like when it says something about lemons…to burns house bla bla)) bulid up a machine (GLaDos) to govern the aperture science’s laboratories,because his father was crazy. Then his father escape from a room were chell keep him,he wanders across the laboratories (here he write on walls)and finally he reach the machine.When he reach the machine he mess up something and the machine delete some data .Glados don’t recognizes chell and he put she and all the others umans to ibernate(the end of co-op portal 2).GLaDos use now humans to test tawhing one until he dead.Chell,tawhed,start to testing WITHOUT SPEAK(maybe she has fear to awake some GlaDos’ data and make everything blow up). The father,after he broke Glados,be killed by him but Glados keep the brain…with this he create….the cores!In fact they In fact, everyone has a different personality, as if they were different parts of the brain!!!(the reasonable but moron core is obviously Wheatley) For me in Portal 3 we are Cave johnson,who after become crazy, wanders between the test’s chambers made by glados to not escape from there.


On June 23, 2011 at 6:00 am

@PortalMaster Actually it explained who he is in the lab rat comic. In a certain sense atleast.


On July 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm

@PortalMaster. Cave Johnson was the original owner and founder of Apature Laboratories. He had an assistant named Carolyne. He inhaled some moon dust/propulsion/repulsion gel (somthing of the sort) and fell deathly ill. He instructed is crew to have Carolyne take over if he died and to put her memories etc into what we know now as GLaDOS. When cave Johnson died she took over. A reference to this is part of the ending song “One day they woke me up, so I could live forever.” And that is what happend. All of this information is obtainable if you pay attention to the single player main story very carfully.


On July 16, 2011 at 6:57 am



On July 16, 2011 at 7:10 am

at the ending of portal 2 when chell open a portal on the moon and evry thing is sucked away . when chell is sucked away she find a loonar car and something to live on the moon. i think it’s doug rattman living there,but how could he go there , logicly not with a portal device becaus he will be sucked away and how he sent that signal to earth. im waiting for more clues maybe valve makes portal 3:rattman secrets reavels


On July 17, 2011 at 12:41 am

IT WAS ALL INGENIOUS PLAN BY THE COMPANION CUBE. The Cube was actually alive all that time, Just like a core, it had some sense of emotion called love. Thus the hearts on the side, The cube devised a plan as soon as Rat Man fell asleep after he had saved Chell by restarting her life support and going to sleep in the bed chamber. The companion cube then organized a plan
way out by transporting the bed chamber onto a spaceship and went to space to get away from the Armageddon world they were living in. Rat Man still sleeps waiting to be awakened, so he can finally see Chell.


On July 17, 2011 at 12:43 pm

i think that weathly and space core will find that rattman.maybe weathly will put rattman in the space core because no human body will survive there without a suit and go to find chell . oh bye the way i have an other suggestion about portal 3 why not whealty and space core now (rattman) figure out that glados is gone mad, and she want to destroy the earth by releasing nutrotoxine in the air and releasing turrets.they figure this thrue the connectivity of the companion cube in the facility. then they go to find chell on earth because she is there only hope to destroy glados wons and for all.[remember when chell was on the moon you can realize the she dropped her portal device].rattman and wheatly find this device and go to earth. she goes back into the facility somehow and menage to destroy glados. finally the facility is destroy all apreture stuff are fissile rattman and weathly die and chell goes away enjoying her short sad life like glados use to said.


On July 18, 2011 at 11:42 am

@David First off the Lunar car and the construct on the moon were left there during the first successful trip to the moon. Secondly, GLaDoS has no desire to destroy the Earth. She is a robot who enjoys testing, so she made the robots Atlas and P-Body. Yes, they were preparing Turrets to be sold in stores, but these ones are most likely non-lethal, using a similar projectile to riot control bullets. Also, there is already neurotoxin out in the world


On July 26, 2011 at 2:36 pm

I get it… Ratman was telling chell to shoot a portal to the moon…

Tha timelord

On July 31, 2011 at 10:42 pm

There is something behind the companion cube. I’m trying to figure out what it is..


On August 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm

Wow, What do you mean its “Just a cube.”? Do relise the sound you heard was transferred into PICTURES right?


On August 12, 2011 at 1:16 am



On August 12, 2011 at 9:58 pm

So much fail in so little space. SPPAAAAACCCEE. 1. portal 2 takes place centuries after portal 1 (read the rattmann comics) so the rat man is dead. Somewhere he’s dead. So that pretty much ruins everybodies theories on anything anyway. GLaDOS is good for the most part now, just wanting to test, and of she did blow up the earth, so what, it got annihilated anyway so chell is probably the last living person on earth. GLaDOS is NOT chell, she is Caroline, cave Johnson was the owner of aperture science Doug rattmann was the graffiti writer. Chell is unrelated to everyone, she is just a test subject. Portal master I obviously NOT the portal master, as he has no idea what he’s talking about. Kuka is very wrong as well. Rat man probably never went to space. I’m am disappoint in the other portal fans.


On August 12, 2011 at 10:05 pm

I think the third game would be more of a prequel. Aperture labs from the fifties to the 2 thousands, I think that would be interesting to watch it go from a shower curtain factory to a robotics company. Watch it go from good to bad. Play as several different characters. Rattmann, johnson, Caroline, GLaDOS, the first test subjects, the first few robots. Bring your daughter to work day would obviously be the end. OH, and have a feature where you could design tests.


On August 13, 2011 at 8:05 am



On August 14, 2011 at 7:41 pm

as weatly says one man did escape and i belive thats the rat man


On August 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm

and got to the lunar base like ^they^ are saying


On August 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Cameron, Wheatley states that a HUMAN escapes and killed GLaDOS years ago, but had never been seen since. He was referring to Portal 1- that human was Chell.


On August 16, 2011 at 8:01 am

i think he said “one man”


On August 16, 2011 at 7:03 pm

but yes i know it’s just a posibility


On August 16, 2011 at 11:54 pm

Wheatley does say “he” early in the game. But I took that to be a generic case of using the male pronoun since the gender was unknown (or because even male personality AI-spheres are sexist and assume only men can be heroes).

At the end of the Lap Rat interim comic, the Rat Man was getting into a “blue light” stasis pod. But he had just diverted all power from the other stasis pods to Chell’s which made hers go from blue to pink. So I think he killed himself by activating an underpowered stasis pod on himself. He was bleeding out anyway from a gun shot wound to the leg.


On August 29, 2011 at 3:08 am

I see the companion cube on the moon


On August 29, 2011 at 4:00 pm

I think that Cave Johnson and Caroline is the parents of chell if you combine traits of them both and the outcome look similar to chell. So thats why when GLaDOS calls her parents she is really calling herself


On September 10, 2011 at 8:11 am

But after wheatley takes over he says Chell is adopted and GLaDOS (as a potato) responds “whats so wrong about being adopted?”. So I dont think Carolyn and Cave could be her parents.. And I believe that Carolyns mind is GlaDOS cuz Cave said researchers worked on a way to transfer human mind to robots etc.

Mistah. Doom

On September 17, 2011 at 8:43 am

boring read this at night


On September 18, 2011 at 11:59 am

I’m disappointed in all of you fans of portal! Cave and carolyn cannot be chells parents because of the logical explanation , One , She lived LONG through a few decades and two , Helllooooooo dont you get the fact that glados keeps calling chell adopted THAT MEANS SHE IS!!!

Ratman is dead . . . d-e-a- dead hes not sleeping some where hes dead. Really I would have thought the portal fans would pay alot more attention to what the characters are saying than make up your own. Im sad at you people.

Smyleys mcgee

On September 29, 2011 at 1:00 pm

i would just like to point out that chell cant be the only surviving human, it is set on a similar timeline to the hl games, in-fact black mesa was setup as a direct competitor to aperture.

and whats with all the hate guys and gals, all these ideas are possible its valve for gods sake, they love this sort of stuff


On September 30, 2011 at 8:10 pm

@Tha timelord dude in comics ratman has a companion cube!RATMAN IS PROBLY BEHIND IT!!!!


On October 2, 2011 at 7:07 pm

obviously aperture science has been to the moon, their gels are made from crushed moon rocks, duh… i honestly think it means NOTHING. just a cute little thing for us from valve… yup…

Subject Name Here

On October 30, 2011 at 3:32 pm

Sorry for my great english, though I’m not from an english-speaking country.
First of all, some of these theories are completely mad and makes no sense at all. Some are possible, but not likely true.
And second, if Chell was the one that managed to escape, it’s unlikely that she ended up back at Aperture. But if Rat Man escaped (as some of you believe) nothing makes sense. (The fact that Rat Man was a male and you play as a female is just one flaw) Referring to “Oh, it’s you…”

Just-to-clarify-FACTS (Sorry for being a besserwisser. Just so everyone knows.) (Good luck finding me)

Cave Johnson founded Aperture Science.
Carolyn was his assistant. When Cave died (because he inhaled moon dust), Carolyn’s mind was downloaded and uploaded to a computer, GLaDOS, and she became the new owner/runner of Aperture.
Rat Man is not Cave Johnson and GLaDOS is not Chell. (Wtf?!)
Conversion gel is made from moon dust and, (3^), therefore, Aperture must have gone to the moon at some point.
GLaDOS is obsessed with testing, not mass destruction.

Kitty Lovett

On November 10, 2011 at 7:24 am

Fun fact: On the elevator at the end cut scene, on the floor between the three turrets and the turret opera, you see Ratman run past.

So he’s either a) alive or b) a zombie.


On November 10, 2011 at 8:42 am

@ Kitty Lovett

I don’t see any humanoid running post. You see turrets on conveyor belts and cubes being launched through the air. No Ratman


On December 5, 2011 at 1:04 am

It has to do something with black mesa and gordon freeman because in the end of portal 1. in the song still alive she says something about black mesa


On December 16, 2011 at 12:52 am

Small foot notes for y’all
1. Ratman was crazy so the comic isnt the best info to base your theories on
2. For cave johnson being the uncle of ratman he would have to have a sister because rattman was his last name. And because the female takes the males last name when they get married, that means cave would have to have a sister.
3. GLaDOS was intirely aware of ratman. Which is why she says : the weighted compainion cube will never attempt to stab you and in fact can not speak. As ratman said his campion cube spoke to him.(glados was disagreeing about ratman at that point)
4. Ratman indeed lives to see chell, proving that portal 2 wasn’t taking place 100s of years after portal 1, the way I know this is because he draws a pic of her in a den


On December 16, 2011 at 12:54 am

Small foot note about the small foot note- I lied it wasn’t small it all!
Surprise- I fell terrible about this also, I’ll make it up by calling y’all parrents.


On December 23, 2011 at 5:50 pm

first of all ratman to put all the power in to chell’s pod all he did was turn life support on inside it. cave johnson and caroline can’t be the parents of chell because caroline’s a AI becauase when cave says say helleo caroline she says hello caroline stating the she either a robot or she’s stupid. rat man’s in a stasis pos so he can’t be in space unless he set his pod to open up before chell’s.


On December 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm

In Portal 1, GLaDOS says she has Chell’s mind backed up in case anything happens to her. That raises the idea of clones. So if that were true, Rattmann did draw pictures of Chell, but it likely isn’t the same one that we’re playing as. Just some speculation.


On December 29, 2011 at 8:00 pm

Another strange thing is that in the room with the banner for “Bring Your Daughter to Work Day” where the potato batteries, and one volcano, are, the name on the project with the massive growth coming out of it is Chell. She’s the daughter of a scientist apparently and it potentially is Rattmann.


On December 30, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Another comment. I just finished Portal 2 today.
In the end credits when GLaDOS is singing, one of the lines is “Now little Caroline is in here too”. It almost seems as though she took out Caroline from her own self/memory and is using her instead of Chell.
One more thing, she says she might not feel so bad once she deletes you. I guess that still reinforces the idea of having clones of you stop being produced.
Feel free to elaborate because I’m just throwing out my thoughts.


On December 31, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Well Aperture didn’t go to the moon. In one of the pre-recorded messages Cave says that their financial team (or something else I’m not entirely suren of every word he said here) said the company didn’t have much money because he wanted to purchase moon rocks and he bought them regardless. He later found that you can put portals on the moon dust.

Also, I believe that the theory of Rattmann being Chell’s father is plausible. However, I didn’t pay much attention to the room with the banner.

And I don’t think Portal 3 will have anything to do with Black Mesa. In the song “Still Alive” at the end of Portal 1, the Black Mesa reference was merely a joke since Black Mesa is Aperture’s competition. I saw somewhere that at the end of the cooperative mode P-Body and Atlas find more people somewhere in the Aperture Labs. I could be wrong about this information because I haven’t gone that far on cooperative mode.

Feel free to call me out if I made a mistake.


On December 31, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Aha! I remember now! I read about the end of the co-op mode on Wikipedia! So…. There’s that.


On January 3, 2012 at 12:42 am

Rat man could be in cryo like chell was and he COULD be alive cause of that


On January 5, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Can some one link me to the rat man comics?


On January 10, 2012 at 12:36 am

TobuscusDude Here ya go!


On January 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm

So after reading through the Lab Rat comic, I found some things that I know were not shared on this forum but may be elsewhere. On pages 8, 22, and 27 of the comic, I noticed that it said that Chell’s surname had been redacted, or removed. I know not why but thought it was worth sharing.

On page 11, Doug Rattman, the young Rat Man, mentions that he would of rather gone to the moon than be working on AI like GLaDoS.

On page 14, Rat Man says that IT, witch I assume to be GLaDos, is pulling her back inside. At first I assumed this to be some secret to the end of Portal 2 but realised later that it was actually the end of Portal 1.

page 20 gives us an explanation to the reason that Ratman can hear the companion cube talking to him. GLaDos tells us that Doug Rattman is schizophrenic and asks Doug if he has restocked his pills lately. This tells me that the pills that Ratman has been saving for the day when he will need to think clearly, were to get rid of his schizophrenia and explains why the cube stops talking for a while.

At one point near the end of the comic, the cube asks ratman why he chose Chell and Ratman respondes with the answer: A hunch. On the final page of the comic, however, A proctor’s note on Chell’s files on page 27 says that she is abnormally stubborn and never gives up and was rejejcted for testing.

One small tidbit that I found funny that I am certain almost nobody found was on page 9 where we can find binary code on the lower half of the right hand page. I found a binary decoder and took the time to type every number in and found that the code says: The cake is a lie.

I am unsure of what portal’s future holds for us and I am uncertain of what this comic may have revealed to us but I hope this helps in making sense of it all. All I know about what could have happened to ratman is that the final page of the comic shows him in a cryo chamber. It does not look like what Chell has been put into and we know that Ratman had to connect Chell to the Reserve power grid in order to sustain her life support. I am unsure of whether Ratman’s cryo chamber looking thing needed the same connection since it didnt look the same as what Chell was in.

Please reply to these Ideas, I am sorry this post is a little lengthy.


On January 22, 2012 at 9:02 pm

@tha timelord
OMG,the thing behind the companion cube is…

WEATHLEY!!! LOOK CAREFULLY!!! its circular shape and a blue thing in the “eye”… WEATHLEY is in space with ratman!!!


On January 26, 2012 at 5:12 pm

I have never played any of the Half Life games or Portal 2 (I’ve only 17 levels of the first Portal on a friend’s pc). I do not currently retain any knowledge of the Half Life series. I AM obsessed with the Portal series and have a few theories of my own.

I think that your analysis was the most insightful; having examples from the actual comic really helped to prove your points. I agree with Ratman not necessarily having to be attached to the Reserve power grid to have power. There could be emergency power sources or even spots that he developed himself (he is a scientist after all).

The companion cube’s sentience is a mystery to all of us. GLaDoS is most certainly not Chell and Caroline’s relationship to her is a mystery but raises a lot of interesting questions. Did they know each other in the past? Chell was obviously around when GLaDos was being built (therefore she was around when Caroline was transferred) because of the science project. Could Caroline have been Chell’s mother? I personally do not think so, but in the credits song GLaDoS does say, “She was a lot like you, maybe not quite as heavy,” so they do share some similarity. At least, in GLaDoS’ eye. Whether it be looks, personality, both, or a persisting stubbornness (GLaDoS did try very hard to kill Chell), you can’t be sure.

Ratman being Chell’s father might work out; Doug Ratman looked much younger in his flashbacks than the present, so if they both aged over a course of- let’s say- twenty years, then everything would work out nicely for the first Portal game. Also, at the end of Page 11 in the LAB RAT comic, he does say “I’d have rather gone to the moon,” and since nothing else in the comic refers to this particular statement it is possible that he either is or will be going to the moon via a spaceship or some kind of portal (GLaDoS did have portals set for Chell in the first Portal game when Chell didn’t have a portal gun. This could mean that there are stationary portals set in a moon base as well.). This is all just theory, though. Plus, there could be a lot of stuff from the Half Life series that I am missing out on that would crush a lot of what I said. Or back it up thoroughly. Sorry for the long post, hope this gets you thinking!


On January 26, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Ah, I failed to mention that in the underground part of the facility, where the recorded messages of Cave Johnson are kept, the entire testing site is made FOR the use of the portal gun. The portal gun is a product of Aperture Science Labs; Chell’s can’t be the only one. Plus, P-body and Atlas have their own as well. This probably means that Rattman didn’t “leave” the portal gun in the testing chambers (actually, there were two guns if I remember correctly. One was the blue portal gun and the second included the orange portal upgrade). Rattman could have gone to the moon easily! Whether with or without the companion cube is not certain; he might have tested sending a portal to the moon and it got sucked in, stranded. He could have then come up with a way to get himself safely up there and send down a transmission to the radio in the lab (he should be pretty smart, considering he worked for Aperture Science). I think that’s it.


On February 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm

Wow… I think that it is the companion cube on the moon. Rat Man could have possibly, when Chell opened the portal on the moon, he was most likely sucked out. In the comic, he has a companion cubewith him. He was probably sucked out with the companion cube. As you noticed, Chell dropped
the Portal Device. Rat Man might have shot a portal back on Earth, taking Wheatly and the Space Core with him.


On February 3, 2012 at 8:25 pm



On February 11, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Ok guys, I read like the first half of the comments, and I want to clarify them. Sorry if these were alredy answered.
Aputure didn’t HAVE to go to the moon, infact, the probably didn’t. Cave Johnson said that he BOUGHT the moon dust, so maybe someone else went there for them. The lunar rovers on the moon is from the Apollo missions, the ‘thing’ behind the Companion cube is just a hill, GLaDOS is not Carolyne anymore; she deleted the files or whatever part of her is Carolyne, and Black Mesa is a rival company, so it probably doesn’t have anything to do with the Portal storyline. (Although in Half Life Episode 3 I heard theres a ship that may or may not be frome Aputure)


On February 15, 2012 at 5:18 pm

after reading all the comments, i couldn’t help but realize one thing. a lot of you are discussing chell’s origins, and you keep citing GLaDOS as a source for her being adopted, among other things. there’s only one problem to this:
NOTHING GLaDOS says can be used as truth.
in the rat man comics, she specifically says she can’t see into the file room, and rat man also takes chell’s file. hence, GLaDOS doesn’t even have chell’s folder to begin with. ever notice how GLaDOS just calls chell “you”? she never calls her by her name, which she would know if she had her file.
basically what i’m getting at is that chell is still an enigma. we know she may have been a child of an aperture scientist, but that’s about it. however, the withholding of her last name suggests that she shares it with a character we already know the last name of, but there’s not really much that can be considered completely true.


On February 24, 2012 at 2:54 am

Well that thing is NOT a hill behinf the companion cube, it could be a little shelter or hut when rattman is living???


On April 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm

As far as I know, in one of the endings to Portal 1 – Chell ends up knocked out on the floor, and some robots drag her back into the Apature complex.. saying something about a “Party submission position confirmed”… or something like that.

(If anyone remembers, it’s in the first portal when you avoid being fried by Glados on the last trial room, you see the cake sign on the wall, turn the corner and are moving into the Fiery pit… Where I assume many other test subjects died, then Glados found the gun, and then began testing with the next subject….. but after you escape her trying to kill you, she goes on about how she was joking around, not really trying to kill you, and if you put the gun down and lay on the floor, you will be taken to your “PARTY” where the cake is waiting for you)

So that’s why Chell escapes, and is then back in Portal 2, after she was dragged back inside unconcious, she would have been put in some kind of stasis until her wounds healed, but the brain damage (or so they say, as it doesn’t seem to be apparent or affect the game play in any way) .remains..


On July 17, 2013 at 1:31 am

Portal fans u guys no offence but u guys r noobs because valve hasn’t learn’t 2 count to 3 yet