Serious Sam 3 Dev Tells Us Why He’s Skipping Windows 8

Serious Sam 3‘s developer Croteam is serious about Windows 8 and its potential disastrous effects on PC gaming. In a forum post on the Steam forums, Croteam’s CTO Alen Ladavac has joined Gabe Newell in opposition of Microsoft’s latest operating system. He wrote:

“Gabe Newel did not overreact. What you don’t see here is that, under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS. There is this “small detail” that Microsoft is not advertising anywhere, but you can find it dug deep in the developer documentation:

“One cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store!”

Ladavac went on to explain the ramifications of this: users will be unable to download an application from the Internet and run it on your computer — they will have to get it from Microsoft’s store, even if it is a free app. Worse, in order to get an app onto that store, it has to be certified by Microsoft, first.

What does this mean for PC players? Ladavac wrote:

“They have forbidden modding. They could very well forbid Open Source if they want. But even if these terms were not there, this is still a certification system. With all of its downsides, including uncertain release dates, rare and late patches, and everything turning out to be more expensive and sucking more.

“While, theoretically, desktop applications are exempt from these requirements, it looks more and more like just a foot-in-the-door technique. A large number of developers have expressed their concern with possibility that, probably in Windows 9 or something like that, the ability to get even desktop apps in any other way than through Windows app store may very well be removed. When that happens it will be too late.”

I’ve been leery of Windows 8 from the start, and the more I read about it, the more concerned I grow about the future of PC gaming. I’ll keep my Win7, thank you very much.

via PC Gamer

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8 Comments on Serious Sam 3 Dev Tells Us Why He’s Skipping Windows 8


On November 5, 2012 at 11:00 am

A good friend just upgraded to Win8, and let me mess with it for about 20 minutes. From the perspective of a PC gamer, I believe that Win8 should be killed with fire. Unless you’ve got a touch-screen, its absolute garbage.


On November 5, 2012 at 12:09 pm


As a gamer for more than 20 years and a pc user.

You dont know what your talking about


And yes ol’ Gabe greatly over reacted it isn’t bad it works fine


On November 5, 2012 at 3:27 pm

So, the huge collection of tech reviews out there, most written by what I’m assuming are reasonably computer literate individuals, those are all wrong then?

And my actual first hand experience with it, that’s wrong as well? What, it was a defective version and not the real one?

Fact of the matter is, ‘bob’, that A) I’ve got easily as much time in the computer/gaming world as you, likely more, and McKayla is not impressed and B) it’s pretty much undisputed that the most difficult interface method for Win8 is keyboard/mouse. The OS is obviously intended to be used with a touchscreen. It sucks horribly with a mouse.

Given that I have about as much desire to switch from my Razer mouse to a touchscreen as I have to pay A-Rod to hit me in the balls with a two-by-four, the OS doesn’t work for me. It’s irritating as hell to use.

It’s gonna flop like Vista, and I’m going to laugh.


On November 5, 2012 at 3:37 pm

I hate Windows 8 with a passion, and I’m a Computer Tech and a gamer. What Microsoft also fails to realize, a lot of Average consumers could not get past the technical leap that was XP to Vista (they changed so much stuff, it scared them off. I mean vista was a terrible OS anyway, but that was a big reason). The Jump from Windows 7 to 8 would not be bad if it was still just a regular Desktop, but jeeze, that lack of a start menu will drive some people insane.

Everything would have probably been alright had Microsoft made a Touch-screen capable Tablet version, and the standard Windows 8 for PCs.


On November 5, 2012 at 9:11 pm

I freely admit to not having followed this whole mess at all (as I’ve been burned often enough with microsoft to know never to buy software from them until at least three years after it’s come out) but what exactly does windows 8 add other than the annoying, unwanted touch screen bs?

Also, maybe I’m just a luddite, but why would anyone even want touch screen on a PC?


On November 5, 2012 at 9:47 pm

I’m not seeing much incentive to upgrade. The opinions of several devs have been very negative. Granted, much of this has been about the restrictions of having to release their products via the Windows Store, but this does seem like a very real issue. Even if it doesn’t truly present itself until the next OS, as Ladavac said, it’ll be too late then.

And while it does sound like there are improvements under the hood, the fact that Windows 8 was designed with touch screens as the primary interface is a major turn off. Maybe down the line when I get some new hardware I’ll make the jump, but as it stands I don’t feel like dealing with something that was really made for tablets instead of PCs. Windows 7 works well for me and I couldn’t use many of the features of 8 right now anyway, so I certainly won’t be upgrading my current computer.


On November 6, 2012 at 4:13 am

I think what a lot of mine and the tech communities’ criticism of Windows 8 relates to what it represents, and where microsoft may head: the “walled-garden only microsoft certified software runs here”. Structurally, Windows 8 is great…but as another tech blog once said: If Windows ever fully becomes Windows RT (the fully walled garden WinOS), then it will be of detriment to those whom want to configure their operating system to their needs.

Worst case scenario: Hope you all like WINE or virtualisation on Linux


On November 8, 2012 at 7:39 pm

2013: the year of Linux gaming?