Skyrim: How To Join The Dark Brotherhood

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Feeling especially evil? The Dark Brotherhood are a deadly group of assassins devoted to an ancient evil. Generally, they aren’t very nice people, and they’ve stolen away to Skyrim. Joining them won’t be easy, it requires some questions and some subterfuge, but with our little step-by-step guide below, you’ll be killing in the name of evil in no time.

There are plenty of factions, and you’ll want to join them all. Check out our How-To pages for the; Companions, Thieves Guild, and College of Winterhold.

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How To Join The Dark Brotherhood

  1. The Dark Brotherhood is the most secretive of all the factions, and can be tricky to find. Start by going to bars and asking about rumors or information. Try talking to bartenders in Windhelm.
  2. You can also talk to Idesa Sadri in Candalhearth Hall in Windhelm. Ask them about cursed children. If you’re in Riften, Maul will share information on the Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild for a price. Find Maul resting on a post near the city entrance.
  3. Eventually you’ll get a tip to speak with a boy named Aventus Aretino, located in the Aretino Residence in Windhelm. You may be able to speak with him without receiving the rumor first.
  4. Speak to the boy and take the quest “Innocence Lost.” Nothing will happen.
  5. A time after completing the quest, a courier will deliver you a note. Afterwards, just sleep and you’ll be contacted by the Dark Brotherhood.
  6. Talk to the stranger at your bedside, and you’re in the secret society.

Or just kill some random people. (Contributed by – Nathalie)

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261 Comments on Skyrim: How To Join The Dark Brotherhood


On November 11, 2011 at 5:48 pm

And I just went ahead and killed innocent people to get the note, like in Oblivion. Thanks for explaining it!

lil beets

On November 11, 2011 at 7:38 pm

I killed the younglings for nothing ….oh well


On November 11, 2011 at 7:51 pm

How long does it take after doing the mission


On November 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm

Anybody else have the problem with not being able to get the quest? The kid just stands their like an idiot repeating the same line…. :l


On November 12, 2011 at 5:51 am

(Hehe I wrote it in a bad way, I didn’t get the note, I just thought you were able to join just by killing people like in Oblivion, but it’s not like that. sorry XD)


On November 12, 2011 at 10:00 am

I did the quest for the kid, when does the letter come? And when you find him in his house you have to hit him with your sword to get his attention.


On November 12, 2011 at 11:10 am

ok right first it does not take too long on mine to get the letter so just wait for a bit in a town for a courier and if the kid starts getting weird than you should reload the game and wait for a patch because it can and will happen alot


On November 12, 2011 at 11:33 am

lmao stabed her rite in front of the children that is super funny


On November 12, 2011 at 3:54 pm

that lady was a total stabbed her in the face and looted her body got away scott free oh and it doesnt take long for the courier have some patience


On November 12, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Killing the Lady was fun, as well as how the other Adult was terrified of me after I did it xD. Also, getting the note was quick. I stayed outside of the main cities, and it came fairly quick.


On November 12, 2011 at 6:06 pm

Lol i actually did a 3rd person finisher with my dual wield longswords in fron of those kids, followed it up by teabagging that . and also this game has a bit of a fable feel to it which i like.


On November 12, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Never got the courier’s note, but after sleeping a few times i woke up to the dark brotherhood.


On November 12, 2011 at 8:49 pm

hey im stuck inside of the night mothers coffin and i was supposed to hear voices but I have not heard them yet plzz help!?!?


On November 12, 2011 at 9:35 pm

I have sleeped a couple times but I still haven’t gotten the note or anything does it work if I sleep in a inn or does it have to be in a house


On November 12, 2011 at 9:56 pm

Nevermind I didn’t realize that u had to leave and go to a diffrent town.


On November 13, 2011 at 7:45 am

Killing ransoms won’t work in skyrim(all though fun) the quest is simple as. ALSO for some reason I have 3 hired goons following me if u talk to them they still don’t do anything I killed one and his buddies watched and no bounty…. Weird!!! I do feel good though running about with a pose of hired goon :D


On November 13, 2011 at 10:17 am

cant find any rumors about that, been all over skyrim! this is crazy…


On November 13, 2011 at 10:46 am

Do I have to leave windhelm to get the note


On November 13, 2011 at 10:53 am

SPOLIER ALERT:can anyone tell me , if smbdy finished all quests in brotherhood thing, last quest, its repeatable but i wanna ask… dark brotherhood forever, thats the name of the last quest, is that it?! only couple of quests???????? come on, there werent 20 quests ffs, it sucks if its that way, if smbdy could help me please, thanks for reply


On November 13, 2011 at 11:56 am

So what bar do you go to? i tried talking to bartender at candleheath no dice ….same with another bar …..Help???


On November 13, 2011 at 1:17 pm

For some reason one of my quests tells me I have to speak to him. I don’t recall talking to any bartenders…


On November 13, 2011 at 1:17 pm

Oh, wait, I think I did talk to a bartender.


On November 13, 2011 at 1:38 pm

Thx, great help :)


On November 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm

THANK YOU. I’ve been kinda avoiding the main quest lately, so I could find the brotherhood.. and I’ve almost been to every large main towns, but now we know where to go :3 my life is now absorbed in the world of SKYRIMMMMMMM!!!! xD


On November 13, 2011 at 7:02 pm

I was wondering if you can leave the Dark Brotherhood after you are in it?!?!?!?!? I am now regreting joining and wish to get out.


On November 13, 2011 at 7:03 pm

Sorry about the irrevelant post but I could ont find another website about the Dark Brotherhood.


On November 13, 2011 at 8:04 pm

For those who can’t get the rumors, go to raften and maul will stop to talk to you. He can tell you about the quest if you ask about the dark brotherhood :)


On November 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm

*riften :P

Daryl Hark

On November 13, 2011 at 10:19 pm

If you travel to Riften to join the Thieves Guild, you will find an orphanage. Talking to the kids there, you will learn that one of their own left and wanted to join the Dark Brotherhood in order to learn how to kill the woman who runs the orphanage. The children will tell you that said child, Aventus Aretino, left for Windhelm. This seems to be enough to open the dialogue for Aventus to start the quest chain to join the Dark Brotherhood.


On November 13, 2011 at 11:22 pm

i did the quest but i didnt get the the letter but i was still able to join the dark brother hood


On November 14, 2011 at 2:48 am

When I finished the quest I waited for about five days in a row with no courier in site so I went to sleep. I was immediately contacted so you may have already received the message if your courier isn’t showing.


On November 14, 2011 at 3:38 am

guys REMEMBER TO SLEEP!!!!! after u kill and recieve the note


On November 14, 2011 at 3:45 am

This is a bit unrelevent, but has anyone else gotten stuck in the matrix on skyrim? I used a Sword and a Shield, and obtained the “Reflex” perk from the shield skill tree… Just to find out that later I contacted a Cave Bear, and blocked as it used its power attack so I would activate my Reflex perk, allowing time to slow down for a quicker reaction. Well, it didn’t work as I planned.. Everything but my guy got stuck in Super Slow Motion, I could hit a target a good 500 times before they good get done with half-of a regular swing… As of now, I’m trying to join the dark brother hood…


On November 14, 2011 at 7:42 am

Awesome, thanks guys – I’ll give that a try!


On November 14, 2011 at 10:58 am

just do the quest and sleep in YOUR HOME (MUST OWN A HOME). you dont need to wait for a letter

Luicien Lechance

On November 14, 2011 at 12:28 pm

@ Jake
Owning a home is not required. Just sleep in any secure place will do.


On November 15, 2011 at 3:32 am

So talked to the bar wench but nothing about rumors just rent a room and 2 other speeches. walk in on the lady talking to the kid, but nothing on that either so now im stuck.


On November 15, 2011 at 1:36 pm

Anyone here doing Dual Weild? Alot of fun. I’m trying to level up my smithing now so that I can get to the ability to forge weapons out of dragon bone and scale. Can’t wait to have two dragon-bone axes if that is possible. Looking forward to doing the Dark Brotherhood quests. FOR ULFRIC, And FOR THE STORMCLOAKS!

Badass Archer

On November 15, 2011 at 3:02 pm

I went to every bar in windhelm and was unable to receive the rumor, but thanks to an earlier post i now know i can receive it at the riften orphanage so thanks to all of you who posted helpful comments “Fight well or die well” hail JARL ULFRIC


On November 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm

Lol when i first did this i was like “screw it” and killed all three.

Try it, Astrid will give a quite nice response ;)

Dragon stuff is only armor afaik. not sure tho. I just got my complete set of legendary daedra armor and weapons, gotta love those. AND I KILLED ULFRIC WITH IT and cought his soul in a black soul gem.:P


On November 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

you dont have to wait for the note. just sleep in an inn out of windhelm and you will be in the shack.


On November 15, 2011 at 7:50 pm



On November 15, 2011 at 8:29 pm

I did the quest for the kid and slept at the inn for 24 hours, dont do that the courier will leave and then you wont get the note, just hang out in the main city for a little while and it doesnt take long


On November 15, 2011 at 8:29 pm

by main city i meant the main part of windhelm


On November 15, 2011 at 9:02 pm

All you need to do is to talk to the bartender in ivarstead (part of the main quest) and he will tell you that the kid is trying to contact the dark brotherhood then you travel to windhelm and talk to the kid and he tells you that he ran away from an orphanage and his mom died and he wants you to kill the caretaker of the orphanage and that he will give you their family amuelet and then you travel to riften go to the orphanage kill the old lady (no bounty for killing her) after that you go back to the kid and he gives you your reward and after that travel to a secure place and sleep and a courier should be their and give you a note or if he is not their check your inventory for a note and after that you are in the dark brotherhood.


On November 15, 2011 at 9:33 pm

@UlfricFORTHEWIN Sorry buddie, no such thing and Dragon Weapons… To my knowledge.I have 100 in all skills and you can only craft Dragon Armor.


On November 15, 2011 at 9:34 pm

As* :P


On November 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm

I got the rumor from the bartender in Riverwood
on my way to Windhelm I was attacked on the road
by an assassin and a note was on him saying
I was a target. So I get the quest from the boy
And kill the lady in Riften. Went to the Inn
slept for 24hrs and woke up in an abandon shack.


On November 16, 2011 at 6:19 pm

Was very helpfull, and i reccomend making more incitefull guides like these. They will go


On November 16, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Id like to learn how to mod skyrim


On November 17, 2011 at 12:52 am

Skyrim + werewolves + darkbrotherhood= tripple epicness!


On November 17, 2011 at 3:49 am

there is no dragon weapons that is lame i wonder why


On November 18, 2011 at 4:34 pm

Wow…literally 90 percent of the people on this website are complete NOOBS!

Not to mention the language skills match that of a 3 year old. It’s actually painful to read. I realize this is the internet, but don’t you people have any decency?


I was disappointed in every single quest-line EXCEPT for the civil war. They were all empty and light hearted. Oblivion’s stories were much better. Mainly the thieves guild, the main quest, and the Brotherhood.

Skyrim’s College of Winter hold was better, i believe.

Overall, the Dragons save the game.


On November 18, 2011 at 8:09 pm

You have to complete the quest for the kid then wait 8 or 9 days in the main part of the city then a ragedy hobo courier will show up with a note with a black hand print that reads “We know” then go to sleep and a member of the dark brotherhood will come and recruit you. Easy as pie.


On November 19, 2011 at 2:30 am

@Ben. You need to chill and relax. You seem like a “the glass is half empty” and not “half full” type of guy, so im going to ask you to try and actually enjoy the game for what its worth before you go posting unrelated and unhelpful crap that nobody wants to hear.


On November 19, 2011 at 6:51 am

Is the abandon shack become yours?


On November 19, 2011 at 6:54 am

Sorry does the abandoned shack from the dark brother hood become yours?


On November 19, 2011 at 7:00 am

Can Someone reply to my texts plz

The Juggalo

On November 19, 2011 at 2:32 pm

So do i need to talk to the others or just the kid?


On November 19, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Yes u can not have the abandoned shack iknow this because I finidh the dark brotherhood quest is easy. I kinna use command console to fibish is :p


On November 19, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Srry 4 the poor english I’m using I use black berry to do it abd I’m in the hurry :@


On November 20, 2011 at 1:26 am

You can hear windhelm guards talking about Aventis and that will give you the objective.


On November 20, 2011 at 1:44 am

Who can I marry to get a big house?


On November 20, 2011 at 1:45 am

And thx for replying (:

Jose palacios

On November 20, 2011 at 8:13 am

I thought of poisoning the for a slow and cruel death but they took that option out of the game.I waited for her to go in to the kitchen she sat down in the chair I walk up to her used slow time and dual wilded her skull she died pretty quick which I would of liked to see more tiching and more blood.also o play in the ps3 how in Jesus butt hole do u crab things Been pushing all the buttons and nothing it got to the point were I went insane and pushed my ass hole button to see if that works.did they really took out that ability. :(


On November 20, 2011 at 10:57 am

@ Jose palacios
You can still pick up items. To do so, i think you press X + A at the same time. It works for me, at least.


On November 20, 2011 at 4:47 pm

I didnt even get the note i just slept and a woke up in the shack :L


On November 21, 2011 at 7:18 am

@Ben(the guy who said that the language levels on this page are that of 3 year olds) firstly I am only 14 so just take that into account and secondly if you are going to moan about the language levels then at least remember to put a CAPITAL “I” in your own reply!!!


On November 21, 2011 at 8:16 am

I didn´t even need to get the letter, i just slept and astrid was there when i woke up.

Bob Hampton

On November 21, 2011 at 10:26 am

Aw snap, poo.


On November 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm

i didnt get note but woke up in abandoned shack and had to kill one of three people! i killed them all any way! :)


On November 21, 2011 at 7:02 pm

I ran into that problem as well, or at least I thought I did.
That part of the quest line takes forever, roughly 5 minutes before I heard voices, if I recall correctly. Patience or just do what I did, walked my dog and came back and it was done, did that for my fighter toon!! Hopefully that helps you!


On November 21, 2011 at 9:00 pm

I already killed her because she mouthed off. Boy thought i was clairvoyant. Cake.


On November 22, 2011 at 4:03 am

I saw someone asking if you can quit the dark brotherhood after you join it. I’m curious myself, I no longer wish to be apart of the guild and would just rather kill them.


On November 22, 2011 at 3:31 pm

The one bad thing about it is the map and i ahte how you cant yield. BUt it has great graphics and feels like fable.


On November 23, 2011 at 10:35 am

Thanks for that video… I tried preforming the black sacrament after killing the one girl lol


On November 24, 2011 at 1:42 am

I had so much fun stabbing that old with my Conjured Blades.
Right in front of the kids, too. Those kids are ing hilarious.


On November 24, 2011 at 6:45 am

Your voice is so ing obnoxious.

Morpheus the smither

On November 25, 2011 at 11:36 pm

I simply just went into the kids house talk to him pretended to be dark brother hood and found thia randum note and read it ( has no importance just tells kid he is going to that lady and he keeps the home) then I went to riten and stabbed my sword (Valen) in her infront kids and slept in inn ( u dont need to wait for note) they take u to some place


On November 26, 2011 at 9:20 pm

what happens if you marry someone and youre next contract is youre wife do you kill her or kill her and marry someone else


On November 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm

i cant wait to stab that old in the face


On November 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm

Thank you for showing this. Wouldn’t have found it myself. But one question, is there not like a story quest for them? You just join and that’s it?


On November 27, 2011 at 6:46 pm

the door i go to says what is the life’s illosion or something like that and it dosen’t have any of thoses choices


On November 27, 2011 at 7:46 pm

If u become a werewolf, i dont think you can join because the darkbrotherhood leaders are vampires. Also i think bein visited in your sleep is voided because werewolves gain nothing from sleep.


On November 28, 2011 at 8:45 am

Lol okay, here’s an easier walkthrough for some of you dopes who need someone to hold your hand.

Go to an inn.
Ask the innkeeper about rumors.
Go to Riften.
Ask Maul about Dark Brotherhood.
Go to Windhelm.
Pick your way into the kid’s house.
Pretend to be Dark Brotherhood.
Go to the orphanage in Riften.
Kill the old hag yelling about beatings.
Go talk to the kid in Windhelm again.
Shut up.


On November 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Sleeping giant inn at riverwood the bartender will tell you to talk to a guy

Not the Average Gamer Chick

On November 29, 2011 at 5:37 pm

“Your teeth…NO!!” XD


On December 1, 2011 at 12:26 am

Some of you guys are dumb, its a page on how to join the dark brotherhood.

not for you f*cking problems, when you are already in the hood.


On December 1, 2011 at 12:27 am

Some of you guys are dumb, its a page on how to join the dark brotherhood.

not for you stupid problems, when you are already in the hood.


On December 1, 2011 at 12:28 am

ok faill now i look dumb.


On December 1, 2011 at 4:06 am

I just skimmed over how to accomplish this.. i went straight to windhelm- the boys house. That chick Idesa Sadri happened to be right outside his house and told me to go see the boy lol. Shes easily the quickest option whether you catch her roaming Windhelm or inside the church as mentioned. As for the sleeping, theres no specific place where its best to sleep. Any inn or home will do. The courier is in the game to inform people what to do via the note if they hadnt already slept before


On December 1, 2011 at 5:59 am

Simply walk into the childs house. Asking about rumors in not needed at all.
Sleeping in a secure location is also not needed. I was taken to join from a crowded inn. It is completely random when your brought to join them just go to sleep and hope for the best

@Schwartz I joined no problem after becoming a werewolf
@ Liz Your at the wrong darkbrotherhood sanctuary. The one you need to go to is west or falkreath.


On December 1, 2011 at 2:24 pm

Im a werewolf, ive killed the lil boy already, an the old hag, Nothing yet. Can i still join the Dark brotherhood?


On December 1, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Also, One time someone said i had a letter waiting, Forgot where i was at, But is that the brotherhood letter? It wouldn’t let me accept the letter actually!


On December 1, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Brandi just go sleep in a bed for 24 hours if youve talked to the boy after killing the hag


On December 1, 2011 at 9:54 pm

I’m a werewolf, no problem at all. All u have to do is kill the lady after talking-to the boy then talk to him again then just sleep for 24 hours and you should get kidnapped by the dark brotherhood without the letter.

Legends Of Skyrim

On December 2, 2011 at 3:14 am

Hey people of skyrim I just helping ya with the way into the brotherhood!
Step1:go to the little kid in windhelm (when u teloport to windhelm turn right go up steps then turn continue till u see overpass with door go inside and meet the creepy kid
Step2: kill the ugly Gerald the kind 4 the quest and hand in 2 da kiddo
Step3:go to another city go in a shop or house come out and courier come with message
Step4:sleep in and inn or house and spawn in a shack with a ninja talk and get quest go to the door answer “silece my brother”and welcome 2 the brotherhood happy killin.
Comment please!!!!


On December 4, 2011 at 9:59 pm

I have waited for 5 days In whiterun and still no note. Do I have to go to windhelm to get it? Help??????


On December 5, 2011 at 7:23 am

No. I just killed the woman, the went to sleep and woke up in the abandon.

I did not have to wait for the note :)


On December 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm



On December 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm

i killed the lady then went to riverwood and wait there for 5-7 days atleast and no one came… i didnt get the quest from rumors i just went and talk to the kid can someone tell how i am suppose to get the letter…

Ben Hater

On December 10, 2011 at 2:14 am



On December 10, 2011 at 5:50 pm

I can’t believe the different versions of instructions people are posting on here!!

I went to the orphanage in Riften and spoke to the kids, not that you need to do this to realise the woman is a total , and they told me Aventus had ran off to Windhelm. So you go to him, speak to him, pretend you’re the Dark Brotherhood, kill the , go do some random like killing the vampire brother of an ex-Jarl, sleep, and lo and behold you wake up in the shack.

No need for the courier, the note is irrelevant to the quest line, it’s just meant to you up for going on the DB’s turf.

I did this on PS3 and didn’t get the note went to sleep in my cosy Breezehome, and woke up in the shack. My missus plays it on her laptop and we did the quest at the same time. She got the courier’s note and I didn’t.

So don’t, as one guy says above, “hang around for 8 or 9 days”, just go to sleep and wake up with a weird woman looking at you from atop a bookcase. Kill the “daughter defiler” Khajiit cos he’s a bastard, and all is well :) though you may kill any, the point of the exercise is that you kill at least one to prove that you are capable of killing without question.

Oh, and don’t forget to look at the animal-related shout in the DB’s hideout, it’s rather cool!

Chris W

On December 10, 2011 at 6:45 pm

LOL. I did the quest and slept once xD Sounds like everyone else waited a while.. Literally took me 10 mins and I had joined.


On December 11, 2011 at 3:09 am

@Chris W:
Same here mate! If people just learnt to follow the instructions at the top then everything would be fine!


On December 11, 2011 at 11:19 am

Thanks for the Advice!


On December 12, 2011 at 2:03 am

Great video, helpen me alot so Thanks for That. And btw, The thievesguild is not ! :-P


On December 13, 2011 at 8:21 pm

DAMN!!?! That old was my first decapitating execution.


On December 14, 2011 at 9:34 pm

HELPP!! I tried going into the Morthal inn and I asked tif there were any rumours, and none! D:
The option didn’t even appear! O:
Does anyone know why? :(


On December 16, 2011 at 3:01 am

Yea look good in you quest list you got it :-P Same happende to me

Rhodry Williams

On December 18, 2011 at 6:16 am

Cheers for that. All i read was “go to sleep” and i did so in my cozy breezehome after a nice bottle of mead infront of the fire. and then i’m some freakn rape shack. killed that kajiit. one, cause he’s a ggot two, because hes a freakn kajiit. killed that dead.

And to that schwarz retard. Being a werewolf has nothing to do with it-you can still sleep when you’re a werewolf -.- you just don’t get resting bonus, as you have seen in the loading screen. NUB. And, the leaders don’t give a flying . and LOL to the guy who killed the boy. you just Fu*#ed yourself over completely. HAHAHAHAHAHA. and, good to Hynthius.


On December 19, 2011 at 7:41 am

Thanks a lot for the info!I completed the quest (easiest quest by the way),given by the kid then not so shortly after came a courier to me and so on.

P.S.:You don’t have to be in a town to be visited by the courier.


On December 21, 2011 at 1:28 am

I joined the dark brotherhood but then i took an arrow to the nee


On December 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm

Did the quest. Haven’t received the letter yet. Any ideas why? :o


On December 21, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Do you have to stay within the area in order for the dark brotherhood to get to you
Because I adventured around and I’m afraid they won’t find me…. Any help?


On December 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

All is good the courier came to me


On December 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm

you don’t have to waut for a letter I diddnt I just waited to days then I slept and it enable the mission without a letter


On December 22, 2011 at 1:44 pm

I was think about killing the dark brotherhood off but then they have so much things to do oh and my sneak is 92 so yeah <—– no life :P


On December 22, 2011 at 5:59 pm

Thanks to you I now happily murdering poeple. Thanks!


On December 25, 2011 at 11:04 am

I found the boy but when i talk to him he just looks at me and he becomes a red dot on the screen same with everybody in the town, I am a vampire but im using PC so i turned of the detection… anybody know how to help?


On December 25, 2011 at 5:04 pm

O.O I’ve had two assassins after me…. they got owned.. and a group of hired thugs… (had to reload a few times) XD EHEHEHE!!! No one messes with my greatsword warrior!

Falrimn the Argonian

On December 26, 2011 at 4:27 pm

i killed an innocent woman named anise who was all alone in a cabin in the forest near riverside FOR NOTHING IM AN ARGONIAN MONSTER

Falrimn the Argonian

On December 26, 2011 at 4:31 pm

but i also killed that b*tch from the orphanage with one hit from my mighty bound axe. bad karma in axe form lol


On December 26, 2011 at 9:06 pm

I got right up into that old hags face and shot her with my bow :3 headshot!!! Then i shot the kids in the knee :3 couldn’t help myself


On December 27, 2011 at 1:46 pm

lol i came up from behind and the old ladys throat it was epic


On December 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm

god, riften wants you to pay for like looking at the air, i ain’t payin’ lol i’ll pay eventually


On December 30, 2011 at 1:46 am

iv killed dozens of innocent people in riverwood, solitude and whiterun and not a single letter


On December 30, 2011 at 11:44 am



On December 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Ha I killed that in the orphanage a long time ago.


On December 30, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Lol I wish tbagging was better in this game when ever I do it it looks really awkward :/


On December 31, 2011 at 12:18 am

Hey just talk to the gaurd in front of the palace of kings. Just keep asking about rumors. Thats How i got to aventus


On December 31, 2011 at 12:18 am



On December 31, 2011 at 7:38 am

i just made the time go fast by doing set timescale to 100


On January 1, 2012 at 12:19 am

thanks man, just did the boy’s quest and sleep :D


On January 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm

i cant find the kids damn house!!!!


On January 1, 2012 at 9:26 pm

nevermind. just found it after 2 seconds.

nightingale master thief

On January 3, 2012 at 1:29 am

the dark brotherhood. Thieves guild is the way to go im telling ya!


On January 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Found them and I’m just saying LIVE BREATH AND DIE AN IMPERIAL

james elder scrolls champ

On January 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm

i live for the d.brohood i just killed some moron that tried to jump me on skyrim and oblive so all yall can SUCK IT

james elder scrolls champ

On January 4, 2012 at 5:55 pm

thieves guild? MY ASS! can a ASS theif kill like 89 peps in like 5 seconds flat WITH OUT BEING NOTICED?! NO!


On January 5, 2012 at 8:43 am

Whahahaah you guys are so funny especially ben
this is the most funniest replies i’ve seen
but still ben just enjoy life and not screw it up into your (perfect world) where all type as fantastic as you do… –.–

Anyways have a nice day and have fun in life everybody :D

haha you

On January 5, 2012 at 4:26 pm

you dont have to talk to the inn i just went stright to the boy


On January 5, 2012 at 7:31 pm

i joined both the guild and the brotherhood and i can talk my way out of ther fine for killing “89 peps” so suck it


On January 6, 2012 at 9:56 am

so i havent joined or found it yet, but i killed one of the that was out to kill me. i know this cuz i read the note he was carrying. can i still get in?


On January 6, 2012 at 12:35 pm

it takes about 2 in game days but it is better to travel around then just wait

Shawny d

On January 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Im a werewolf and tried sleepin for 24 hours like 3 times no ass courier came here yet


On January 6, 2012 at 7:27 pm

I’ve had like 3 couriers.

Someone who loves skirym just like the others do on this internetpage

On January 7, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Havent got Any time right now to join the dark ezio audithores but i Will do!


On January 7, 2012 at 3:22 pm

This is a Joke i think because they should have made a robot to kill the stormcloacks but they havent have the material and techno in that age, but there is stil a funny robot in the game, you know,that big golden one. But also you actually cant turn in to a werewolf because you have to mix human DNA with DNA of a wolf and who wants to have sex with a big wolf. I bet the makers of skyrim have the idea for a dark brotherhood from assassins greed with ezio audithore da firenze. You know,the thing is that you have to have lvl 100 for smithing to get dragon armor, isnt there a glitch to get dragon armor if you dont have lvl 100 smithing? This all is because of those stupid vampires who cant get into the sunlight because otherwhile they are going to die. First i really wanted to become a vampire, but thanks to u guys i didnt. Did you already know that wardogs can bark under water and they can sit under waters aswell. You know, horses in this game arent as spectaculair as in assassins greed, because they cant run as fast as in assassins greed! One more thing, for the ones that its real, DRAGONS DONT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD!! Thank you for listening :)


On January 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm

there is another door to the sanctuary near morthal i think..but it asks a different question, i think its “waht is lifes greatest illusion?” how do you open the door, bc the answers that it gives dont work..


On January 7, 2012 at 10:01 pm


Life’s greatest illusion: “innocence, my brother,”


On January 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm

That’s what the answer to the other door is… Just so u know bro


On January 7, 2012 at 10:08 pm

Oh… And I believe it’s to the. North east of Dawnstar and during the quests for the dark bro hood you have to chase Cisero (you meat him during the dbh main quest) there. Because he went berserk and tried to kill everyone… Lol that’s my kind of guy… But the “leader” of dbh (can’t remember her name off tha top of my head) will tell u the password so u can get in to get him. (after u beat ghost assassins of course… Nothing can ever be simple)


On January 7, 2012 at 10:11 pm

In this game:
Horses suck… Just fast travel and f*ckin walk you lazy bumm

Bound weapons are pointless

TOO much to do

And the game is overall to amazing and by all rights shouldnt exist.

skyrim fan

On January 8, 2012 at 6:50 am

I used an elven sword of devouring on her and killed the btch in one hit. I still havnt gotten the letter and its been 6 days


On January 8, 2012 at 7:27 am

hey guys u can just go to the orphanage to get the mission (talk to anvtinno)

Dark Elf

On January 8, 2012 at 8:42 am

just take that quest from that boy in the windhelm after that kill that old then go to your home in whiterun and sleep. Antis come and kidnapped you and you are a darkbrother hood member now. Good luck

Dark Elf

On January 8, 2012 at 10:29 am

sorry astrid come and kidnaped you she is a leader of the darkbrotherhood and very HOT

Dark Elf

On January 8, 2012 at 10:34 am

If you want to answer the door just say:SILENCE BROTHER

Dark Elf

On January 8, 2012 at 10:39 am

Dark elf+werewolf+companions+Thieves guild+college of winterhold+Dark Brotherhood=ing awesome


On January 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm

Anyone who thinks “oh this games too easy bla bla bla…” eg. Ben put difficulty up to master n see how ‘lighthearted’ it is then.


On January 8, 2012 at 7:14 pm

All hail Sithis


On January 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm

I killed the lady before I had the quest and it still counts!!!


On January 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm

Praise the night mother!!!


On January 8, 2012 at 11:05 pm

i accidentlly used a shout that freezes enemies on her and the lady and the other adult both died… opps? >:)

Dark Elf

On January 9, 2012 at 2:16 am

What?? Astrid die?? I love her. she gave me her horse and very hot.
Everyone in the temple going to die but nazir,little girl and me survive that ing imperials attack us.:-(


On January 10, 2012 at 6:31 am

Does the werewolf blood affect to the sleeping, Because i m not getting the message


On January 10, 2012 at 10:03 pm

Rofl turned that into a chicken with wabajack

(ugh that chicken was the worst)

Dark Elf

On January 11, 2012 at 12:31 am

no i am werewolf and i go to my house in whiterun and sleep then astrid come but when i sleep in windhelm house she didnt come

hello :D

On January 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Yah hi its been 2 years in game time and the COURIER ISNT COMING!


On January 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm

I figured out that u can just break into the aretino residence in windhelm and that gets u going to the dark brotherhood

t3rm1nal lanc3

On January 14, 2012 at 6:42 am

i remember when i started this quest, then i took an arrow to the knee.


On January 14, 2012 at 8:17 am

I can’t get the orphanage door open, the damn thing requires a key!

Amanda Kissanhug

On January 14, 2012 at 10:16 am

Okay two things.
One, I’m a Redguard chic in the game, and somehow got married to Camilia from Riverwood.
Two, I’m terrified of Hagravens.
What this has any point to do with this help page I do not know.
Thought this would be randomly informative and perhaps entertain you.

Dark Elf

On January 15, 2012 at 8:14 am

get back golden claw to camilia brother then you can marrie her


On January 17, 2012 at 6:50 am

u all should try this. I got the pain and suffering shout with all 3 words and went 2 f**k up ulfric and 4 of the jarls (solitude, Morthal,Markarth and Riften. After killin alduin i chilled in the underworld


On January 18, 2012 at 6:55 pm

if i killed ulfric would i still get the quest?


On January 19, 2012 at 1:49 pm

just wondering do you have to leave windhelm to get the note


On January 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm

Ffs enter and leave a couple of shops/cities and the curior will be there

Lance Kay

On January 23, 2012 at 11:19 pm

sleep in falcreth how ever u spell it. its close to the dark brother hood thay will came to u


On January 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm

go to solitude and you get the note


On January 24, 2012 at 12:51 pm

Thnx. Great help :)


On January 25, 2012 at 8:45 pm

If it helps, you can just break into the Arentino residence and talk to him.


On January 28, 2012 at 8:06 pm

Which bartender do you have to go to???


On January 31, 2012 at 7:14 am

Joining the brotherhood is easy it’s that horse I want!


On February 1, 2012 at 8:14 pm

i kill her can i still join the dark brotherhood ?? need help


On February 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm

APeople just go to a diff city and go into an inn and come out and he will be there with the note and fyi there is a shout on the wall in the sanctuary by the stairs yw


On February 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm

If you waent to get the note you have to blow my bithches


On February 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Killing the old lady was really funny. The took an arrow to the face and all the kids were laughing. It’s not necesarry to wait for the letter, i just slept in my house after the quest and appeared in the shack and killed everybody


On February 9, 2012 at 4:06 am

I just slept in the collage at the snowy place (forgot what it was called) and then I got kidnapped! I don’t think anyone even noticed I was gone! I feel so unloved. :(


On February 9, 2012 at 10:31 pm

love your tidbits and pages on skyrim…i have over half a dozen bookmarked for quick reference. I find them all useful and succinct.


On February 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm

ya well as soon as I woke up i took an arrow to the knee

smitty werbenjagermanjensen

On February 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm

if you go to the bar and rent a room and sleep for 24hours you then will start this quest


On February 13, 2012 at 4:07 pm

All you need to do is go to the kid’s house in windhelm. You don’t need a rumor.


On February 14, 2012 at 8:14 am

Go to Riverwood And talk to the bartender ask”Have you heard any rumors lately”


On February 14, 2012 at 8:48 am

I killed the woman, and after the kids cheered a little bit, they started running and screaming, then I escaped the guards and got a bounty of around 1300 septims for killing the lady, her assistant, and killing a few guards on escaping, which was fun.


On February 14, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Well, first I became the arch-mage and while I was doing that I was planning on joining the Dark Brotherhood. So, I was hooking up my sneak, bow, and picklock skills. Got pretty good with sneaking around and using the bow. All, I had to do was sneak into the where the kid told me to kill that woman….It was funny as hell, because I use the sneak skill and took the bow out. Then I shot her right in the chest and it was a one shot kill. As she was talking to like 4 to 5 kids and then I just kind of walked out of town without everyone knowing it was mean…but then the brotherhood found out lol

Ugnog Sligosh the Argonian

On February 17, 2012 at 9:13 am

I was given a letter from a “friend” by a fully naked courier outside Whiterun lol

Wood elf

On February 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm

I just went in orphanage and killed her with my dagger while she slept then just fast traveled to breeze home and slept


On February 18, 2012 at 6:40 am

TIME SAVER: You don’t need to hear a rumour. Just go straight to the child’s location in Whiterun.


On February 18, 2012 at 6:41 am

Sorry, Winhelm! Not Whiterun.


On February 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

as i walked in to winhelm i heard a passing guard talking about aventus and that triggered it


On February 20, 2012 at 11:33 am

you don’t have to wait for the courier you can just sleep in an inn and you will awake in the abandoned shack

level 125 regard

On February 20, 2012 at 11:35 am

yeah that “savatar” guy is right

level 125 redgaurd

On February 20, 2012 at 11:35 am

soz my name is redgaurd not regard


On February 20, 2012 at 11:41 am

or you could just go to windhelm and look around its not ing hard you have to go inside the house and talk to the kid then sleep in some inn or a house and you kill every person in the room


On February 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm

I put her in the fire!

johnny knoxville

On February 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

i tried just sleeping in the inn but i didnt end up in the obandoned shack u have 2 wait 3-4 days 4 the courior and then u sleep and u will be abducted. At the door to the sanctuary say silence my brother and it will open not any of that stupid drum…Oh i mean lute stuff


On February 28, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Lmfao! I have the 2 hand gauntlet upgrade and I just suplexed that old bag! It was Sweet, the screen went to 3 rd person, Right hook to the face thrm slam to the floor with the left. Put on a great show for the kiddies:)


On February 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm

Btw: I just saw the kid then immediately went to my own bed in whiterun and slept for 24 hour…woke up in abandoned shack…hope that helps


On February 28, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Where is the kid directions to his house


On March 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm

took me ten minutes after killing her to get the letter


On March 9, 2012 at 4:47 am

I allready killed the woman in the orphnage i didnt know it was part of a quest i killed her cuz she wouldent shut up what should i do now ?


On March 9, 2012 at 6:28 am

Hellp how do i start the quest now???


On March 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm

I just found a easy way of joining The Dark Brotherhood i just talked to the woman guard walking back and forth in the ditch by the Candlehearth Hall (To the right as soon as you enter Windhelm) she talks about some one trying to do a dark ritual to summon the Dark Brotherhood that auto started the quest to find Aventus Aretino. Hope this helps…… :)


On March 10, 2012 at 9:14 am

If you go to riften and talk to mual he will also give you the quest and it will be pretty strait forward from there.Hope this helped


On March 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Where can i find mual ?


On March 12, 2012 at 11:29 am

@nordqueen shut the fuxx up.

johnny knoxville

On March 22, 2012 at 12:27 pm

The dark brotherhood story can earn you up to 30k killing the emperor gives you 20k alone (its the last major mission)


On March 25, 2012 at 1:13 am

I have killed the women, went back to the back waited for 5+ days and slept repetedly. No note no dark brotherhood


On March 25, 2012 at 11:03 am

i have the note but i haven’t slept directly after receiving it , is there a way know??


On April 3, 2012 at 6:20 am

Thanks. I knew you could kill someone to join it from Oblivion, but I was looking for a way to do it without hassle from the guards. Thanks for all your help.


On April 3, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Fastest way of doing this is just to talk to the boy in Windhelm. Just unlock the door and talk to him its that simple!


On May 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm

i am rabineson i want to joing the skyrim now so i realy want pls accpite me now pls do has i said l want u very mush i need some items i need some latop and phone so we can chat more pls reply i need u to do something for me


On May 23, 2012 at 4:32 am

What if u kill the old chick first before receiving quest ???


On June 8, 2012 at 12:42 pm

I didn’t even get the note I found a shack and slept in the bed and woke up with a friendly member of the dark brotherhood after I finished Innocence lost

A C 000

On June 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm

I killed the hag while she was asleep…She never saw it coming

werpyer man

On June 17, 2012 at 11:11 pm

I am a murder im going to kill the lady and then kill the children maw hahahaha!!!!


On June 24, 2012 at 5:46 pm

if it wasn’t for this i wouldn’t of joined dark brotherhood ! thanks!


On July 3, 2012 at 2:32 pm

i killed the a week b4 i even found the killed that how damn good i am :P

On July 29, 2012 at 9:09 am

I am jimme i want to join the member i just want u to accpet me on i lov it that is why i am asking u to accpet me i am join because i lov the member so much


On August 5, 2012 at 1:57 am

Thank God. I’ve waited long enough. I think my father got Skyrim mixed up with another game, because he said they captured you and then you had the option to join them. I had a feeling he may have been mistaken with another game though. I don’t blame him, we both play any interesting video games we find so it’s hard to remember… ^.^’

Back stabbed

On August 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm

I’m just doing this to kill the person that introduces u to the brother hood she is dangerous but worth killing


On September 15, 2012 at 9:25 am

This is SO helpful on skyrim! I may be a girl but i know my games! This is going to be a great web sight to use for any game problems!!! THX!!!


On October 18, 2012 at 11:36 am

you can also go straight to the innocence lost quest without having to do steps 1-3, there’s normally a lady walking out of the town gates that will give you the hint.


On October 24, 2012 at 8:40 pm

No wonder, I never slept after that, Thank you :)

brother NORD

On October 28, 2012 at 12:19 am

hey guess what i diid all the steps but except for the messenger an assassin came for me


On October 28, 2012 at 6:55 am

um… before i talked to the kid.. i already killed the person… so can I still do the mission? or it will be gone and i cant do it anymore.


On December 9, 2012 at 7:53 am

I found an abandoned house… then i use console to unlock the house…then,, I saw three NPCs are tied and their heads covered by sacks..i kill one of them because i cannot communicated with them…then..I found Astrid was sitting on dresser…she offered me to join the Dark Brotherhood.. and i join them… :D


On January 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm


# ing retards


On March 9, 2013 at 12:40 pm

I am a vampire 4th stage and everyone hates me and is trying to kill me. I have done the quest up to the point where I need to get the note. BUT THE MAILGUY IS TRYING TO KILL ME TOO!!!!!!!!! I really want to join the brotherhood so someone please help.


On March 13, 2013 at 8:28 pm

Ever notice how sneak skill saves your ass sometimes? I do XD


On March 13, 2013 at 8:29 pm

Ever notice how sometimes the sneak skill saves your skin? I sure do


On April 8, 2013 at 10:32 am

if you kill random people do you still sleep for 24 hours?


On April 27, 2013 at 10:38 am

It’s funny how as soon as I travel to Windhelm by carriage, a guard that I passed by immediately talked about Aventus Aretino; no rumors required.

fontem marsselus

On May 10, 2013 at 3:22 am

i wish to join the Dark Brotherhood. i am 24y old cameroonian i am in cameroon. i wish the Dark Brotherhood to contact me by any means

Hugh Janus

On June 19, 2013 at 6:15 pm

You can kill innocents to get the note. It must be an innocent, however. I have killed random people that turned out to be criminals, so no note.


On July 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm

The easiest way: Go to WhiteRun and enter the Companion’s (another faction) base, just east of Dragon’s Reach. Go down the stair case and find a member of the companion’s by him/herself. Kill them and make it out alive. Then travel to the city of WindHelm and stay at the inn for a full 24 hours. You will receive a note from a courier saying something along the lines of “Thank you for your services, the Dark Brotherhood” Stay at the same inn another 24 hours and when you wake up a member of the dark brotherhood will be at your bedside and asks you if you want to join up. Decline and he attempts to kill you.


On August 13, 2013 at 10:42 am

KILL Random people!


On September 23, 2013 at 8:33 am

i kinda screwed up by doing the mission but i have no letter and i killed nearly every one in white run i need to join the brother hood (-(-(-(-_(-_-)_-)-)-)-) and caterpillar ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (-_-)


On October 16, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Ben don’t be a douche :)


On November 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm

i cant talk to him because i destroyed windhelm first and the second gate is locked. what do i do


On November 24, 2013 at 9:32 am

After the innocence lost quest, I slept in riften, and got abducated by the dark brotherhood. I ended up joining them


On December 28, 2013 at 10:36 am

Whenever you tell the kid you killed grelod, go sleep in a bed, then you will wake up in the abandoned shack and talk to the assasin

Aashton's telling the truth

On April 14, 2014 at 11:20 am

I know how to join the blades all u have to do is go to the sleeping giant in and then u will find in the girls room a closet that requires a key u need to pickpocket her in white run she is the one talking to the magic guy in the king palace in white run she will be there when u go to white run to talk to the king about the dragon attack and then he will give u a quest u need to start fighting dragons and own a home in white run. But u have to pickpocket the girl and then go to the sleeping giant in and in her closet will be a room that is full of blade stuff and she will give u a quest.


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