Skyrim How To Join The Thieves Guild

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The mysterious Thieves Guild has snuck it’s way into the cold wilderness of Skyrim. Anyone that doesn’t worry about the law and likes to partake in criminal activity will fit right in, though stealth is your best option during these quests. You’ll be introduced to many special benefits, including access to a fence where you can sell your stolen goods. It’s good to be a thief. Learn how to be a professional here, just scroll down.

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How To Join The Thieves Guild

  1. First, enter Riften and find Brynjolf. He’s found on the townsquare. He’ll be waiting at the storefront during daylight. Talk to him and complete his quest.
  2. After doing what he asked for, he’ll ask to meet you at a bar balled the Ragged Flagon, located underneath Riften, in the Ratway.
  3. Talking to him in the Ragged Flagon will kick off the “Taking Care of Business” quest. Complete that, and you’ll be a member of the Thieves Guild.

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53 Comments on Skyrim How To Join The Thieves Guild


On November 12, 2011 at 1:39 am

Ive done the mission and brynjolf told me to meet him up at the rogged flogon but for some reason wont be down there when i get there. As a matter of fact he wont move at all. How do i fix this?


On November 12, 2011 at 5:58 pm

Im having the exact same problem


On November 13, 2011 at 5:02 pm

yeah i am also having the same problem……..which is weird cause in oblivion the gray fox would never tell me about the last quest haha


On November 13, 2011 at 11:23 pm

Just a heads up, but the links provided are incorrect as of time of writing. by putting “skyrim-” (without quotes) in front of the “how” you go to the correct addres

Kevin Thielenhaus

On November 14, 2011 at 8:27 am

Sometimes, when meeting people, you’ll need to wait until a certain for for them to arrive. Have you tried going to the tavern and waiting for a few hours? Just use the wait function to see if they’ll show up.

If that doesn’t work, does anyone else have a solution?

Ash Smith

On November 15, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Agreed with above, thats what I had to do in Fallout 3 and in Fallout NV. Since the system is the same as the Fallout games, he’s probably right.

Matt B

On November 15, 2011 at 9:31 pm

If you are every having trouble finding somebody at a spot they said they should be the first thing you should try doing is just waiting for an hour over and over and over again and see if they show up. BTW I found Brynjolf standing next to the bar in that main part in rogged floggen that everybody is at.


On November 17, 2011 at 3:18 am

I had same problem, seems pretty common. This solution worked for me:
Type ‘setstage TG01 20′ into the console. It just completes the first part of that quest for you (meeting him) and then when you do the rest he moves.


On November 17, 2011 at 11:41 am

I’ve done the first part of quest. Gone to the pub, even found byrynholf but he won’t talk to me at all? What do I do?


On November 17, 2011 at 10:20 pm

Ussually the person says wait for me at… And most times if you even use the wait function and wait only one hour then they will be there.


On November 18, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Guys please don’t call me a noob as I am new to the eldedr scrolls and RPG games in general, but The first part of the quest I failed, I got caught when pickpocketing the ring, and so I have two questions:
1: Why did I get caught?
2: Can I now redo the quest?

mad boy

On November 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm

that is so cool atomatic inveability

mad boy

On November 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm

i have a soulotion 4 your problems give him a good hit but save b4 you do

mad boy

On November 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm

i have a soulotion 4 your problems give him a good hit but save b4 you do yeah


On November 18, 2011 at 7:41 pm

If you can’t see the guy (won’t bother with his name) I would recommend making the quest to meet him (unless it isn’t a quest) an active quest. On the bar at the top of the screen it generally tells who or where you have to go. It may have one on him and then you could follow him all day or wait and then search for him.

This may not work, I haven’t done that quest (barely started it) quite yet. When I have time I might try and see if my idea works.


On November 22, 2011 at 11:27 pm

I killed one of the people you get the debt from… Now I can’t complete the quest… Any fix to that?


On November 24, 2011 at 1:42 pm

^ silly


On November 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm

If there is a problem with an NPC its usally nothing to worry about, just a minor flaw the developers haven’t done anything about yet (its a big game after all), my advice is essentially the same as above . . .
1) Head to the closest tavern/inn and sleep for a failsafe 24hrs just to be sure.
2) If the previous did not work, try reloading a save closest to the point before you enterd the hold.
3) Finally if all else fail’s if your an xbox player clear the system cache, if your a PC player use the almight console, if your a PS3 player abandon all hope ;)


On November 26, 2011 at 11:25 am

When I first entered riften I was mean to brynjolf and now when I try to talk to him he just says “I’m done with you now piss off” or “stay out of the black briars buisiness and you’ll live longer.” is there anyway I can fix that? HELP!


On December 2, 2011 at 12:41 am

Alright guys i really need help i started the first quest to get in ( the one where ou have to steal the ring and put it in the guys pocket) and i walked off to get some lockpicks cause i was out and when i returned he got angry at me then told me i have another chance and told me to meet him at the ragged flaggon but he just stands at that stall that he used to distract people and wont move and when i talk to him he theres and option that says “how do i find the ratway?” And “cant we talk here” and bith come up with the same answer-meet me at the ragged flaggon but yet he never ever moves and i cant revert saves cause i started this when i was like lvl4 im now lvl 21 :/
Cheers bros

THE FIX!!!!!!

On December 3, 2011 at 12:28 pm

First, let me say that I did not figure this out, and that someone else on another site did. This is simply a more detailed version. Also, it helps to go to the ratway first and clear it out of enemies and to SAVE A LOT.
1.Go to Brynjolf ( if we’re thinking of the same glitch he should be standing under the little stand thing that he uses to distract the crowd).
2. Start sprinting into him, which causes him to stagger backwards. Do this all the way down to the ratway entrance. You can also use the “clear skies” shout which does the same, but do not use ” unrelenting force”, or he will start attacking you. It helps to do this at night and give your follower a torch and tell him to wait near the staircase, for convenience only.
3.This is probably the hardest part of the entire series. Once he is at the ratway door, “press enter the ratway” and immediately press “speak to Byrnjolf.” There is about a 1 in 5 chance that he will enter with you. If not, just exit and try again ( he doesn’t walk very quickly).
4. Keep sprinting into him (clear skies doesn’t work indoors) until he is at the Ragged Flaggon doors. Now, you have two options. you can stick with the old method of getting through doors, or you can punch him so he starts chasing you. Enter the flaggon and sprint like there’s no tomorrow. If you’re lucky, he will stop chasing you and begin to walk towards the door. Catch him before he leaves and he will talk as if he’s been there the entire time. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT CHOOSE THE “getting here was easy” dialogue choice. He will not give you your next quest and you will be stuck again.
5. Don’t freak out. He will give you another quest, but he will walk back up to the stand. DON’T FREAK OUT. Just complete the quest and talk to him when you’re done. The story line will continue as normal and everything is nice and peachy.
6. Celebrate for beating a glitch without mods! You are now done with the bug.


On December 4, 2011 at 11:36 pm

i have not joined the thieves guild yet but i have joined the brotherhood and companions i have been a vampire for 35 day’s and im level 41 with nightingale armor and a daedric bow and dragonclaw daggers now here is the bad when i need to turn in a divine ruby but when i go to the person named moira (who can be a possible enemy) located in the brassilian cave but when i go in and talk to her she attacks me on sight i have no idea why is it something i did please help


On December 5, 2011 at 4:58 am

ok so if he wont talk to you and u have done the quest wait till late at night outside the tomb entrance and he should be there… remove your wepons and attack him till he attacks you. once he is after you god down into the cave he will follow try and surrender if not nbd just knock him out till it says talk to vex and continue the chain from her but run away for a bit till he cools off and stops attacking you


On December 5, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Thanks to THE FIX!!!!!! his solution may take a couple of minutes but eventually it will work. Thanx man


On December 7, 2011 at 12:51 am

hey noob thats me i killed helga in the taking care of business quest for thieves guild just didnt know my own strength. anyway went around did some stuff thought she might come back but yea not so much. any ideas or have i just fuked it?


On December 8, 2011 at 7:39 pm

To Julian! Hey all you have to do is steal her stupid statue of dibella that is on the first floor of her bunkhouse, after you steal it, the game should tell you that the optional quest was completed. I did the same damn thing lol and accidentally killed her to, but once you steal the statue and go back to Brynjolf he just reprimands you and tells you to follow rules better. Hope this helps


On December 12, 2011 at 5:34 am

just figured out the way to un-glitch this myself. and to be honest im kind of excited cause i was stuck on this issue for 3 hours. when byrnjolf is standing in the market and not continuing to the sewers.

you need to crouch behind him and open up the pickpocket menu, but do not take anything. he will stop talking and walk to the bar. – your welcome


On December 16, 2011 at 12:19 am

hey dion thanks i did have the statue went to brynolf but no luck just asked me if i have anything for him gave him money from one person and yea thats it no more options and i cant drop the statue i dunno maybe ill worksomething out oneday


On December 17, 2011 at 1:48 pm

when i entered the flaggon,i accidently killed Dirge(the one with the yellow hair).I killed him when he was in the water.Does this affects anything? Cz when i talk to Brynjolf,he says “Hmm.” everytime.


On December 31, 2011 at 9:02 pm

Hello! Thank you guys so much! I was so glad to finally get past this! ;D


On January 1, 2012 at 2:20 pm

On the game with haelga I didn’t kill her, I come out of the ratways and a guard goes on a rampage and kills her every time. Sucks because I couldn’t do anything about it.

fuck yall

On January 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm

Thanks but you should have put what the quests involved i did’nt expect all this at level 7 :)


On January 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm

After I net Brynjorf in the Ragged Flagon I made the mistake of choosing not to brawl with Helga. Now everytime I speak to her she says the same thing, and I don’t have the option to keep talking with her. What should I do?


On January 2, 2012 at 7:24 am

TIDAL Kraken – I had the same problem as you. Every day that you do not feed, you grow a stage. There are certain stages to being a vampire:

First stage – people don’t attack you, yet. you can use a cure disease potion to get rid of your vampirism

Second – people don’t attack you. You can no longer cure your disease with a potion.

Third – People start giving you funny looks and making rude comments.

Fourth – People attack you. DO NOT ATTACK THEM BACK. if you do, the entire town will hate you.

About every 2 nights, you need to feed. To feed, you have to break into someone’s house while they are asleep and open the pickpocket menu. there will be a feed option. after you feed, get out of their house and enjoy your life as a stage 2 vampire. I would recommend working on sneak so that you can sneak into villages to feed on people before they know you’re there.


On January 4, 2012 at 8:46 am

i accedently failed the first part and now the options i have when i speak to brynjolf are either how do i find the rat way , or cant we talk here,
can anyone help me with this please?


On January 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm

I have had the same problem where he guy will nott come to he tavern, ive tried the waiting thing but its not working. Ive probebly waited a total of a year in the game and he just stands in his stand selling wine


On January 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm

all of yall are NOOBS


On January 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm

if you have PC or PS3, here are some options to fix the problem on the wikiscrolls site.

If you have xbox 360, you can try the attack method at the bottom. (I dont know if it works)

I have 360 and I attacked Bryjnjolf at night and got him to chase me to the entrance of ratway. He won’t follow you in, so I kept on using the unrelenting force right as I opened the door, as stated by another person, to try to push him in. It took me about 10 tries, but it worked. He can’t die, so I would face the door and knock him out, then once he stood up, i would unrelenting force and open the door at the same time. He finally entered the ratway. Then i just ran to the ragged flagon. He entered it behind me and kept on attacking me. I quickly knocked him out again near the door and then sneaked away until he couldnt see me. Then once he got up, I ran over to him before he left and talked to him and everything worked.

Becareful not to attack him too far into the ragged flagon or the other people in there will start attacking you and will mess everything up. That took me a couple times to avoid them.

Plus, once he gets back up, he tries to leave immediately, so you have to be ready to get over there and talk to him. Hope you can make it happen!


On January 15, 2012 at 1:19 pm

he’s out by daytime only try waiting until night, maybe that will work….

scar maddox

On January 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm

i was a vampire for 27 days…its lame……what you have to do is feed you are prolly a level 4 vamp so you need to feed to be reduced to a level 3 vamp so people wont attack you at the site…good luck with that its hard as hell to find someone wo will sleep long enough…but once you do that people will be more friendly towards you….you can cure being a vamp its hard to explain with typeing theres a video on youtube you can search for and it will walk you through it you need a filled dark soul gem to be cured though so make sure u have that

scar maddox

On January 19, 2012 at 4:49 am

i tried and tried the whole unrelenting force method on 360 and i just couldnt get him in the door so what i did and it works i just completed meeting him mind you i started the mission on level 10 and i am now 46 so it has been a long time in between and i have tried and failed many times but what i did was i attacked him and got him to follow me to the ratway tunnel door then when i got him to stop fighting me i kept running and pushed him until he was right next to the door then spoke to him right after i selected cant we talk here i hit b then opened the ratway door just when he started talking…..he came in with me so i attacked him again got him to where he was one hit from finishing him off (this way you only have to hit him once when you get into the ragged flaggon so the other dont attack you as well) made him follow me into the raggon flaggon hit him the last time then i ran by the water and got into sneak position until he got up and ran up and started talking to him….this method works for sure on 360 i literaly just did it and then got on here to explain how i did it for help as this glitch has been annoying me for a really long time lol good luck… only too me one try to get him into the door just make sure hes in front of you so you can talk and then open the door but also make sure you ask him a question rather then just starting his talking i tried that many times as it was explained on other sites to do that and it failed so good luck hope i can help with this annoying glitch


On February 6, 2012 at 2:58 am

@Robert hey man no just talk to brynjolf and your troubles
Are sorted!


On February 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm

When ever I try to talk to Brynjolf he wont move from his stand. I have tried going down the the pub and waiting hour by hour but he still isnt there. This is for XBOX so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.


On February 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm

I accidentally killed helga in the taking care of business quest and stole the statue of dibella in the process. Now she will not come back and I can’t finish the optional stealing of the statue quest either. Is there a way to fix this or am I screwed? It’s for xbox btw.


On February 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm

wtf i failed to steal that thing for byrinoff and now whenever i talk to him he just says hmff then i went to the ragged flagan and they all say talk to byrinoff???????


On February 27, 2012 at 1:19 pm

If ur having the problem where he wont move,,,, load the closest auto save,, Then save before u talk to him,,, and try that till he moves???


On February 28, 2012 at 12:09 am

Ummm…. I failed the stealing the ring mission thing and I don’t know how to do it again but I can’t reload saves cause I was like lvl 10 and now I’m lvl 81 and 1/2 so help please


On March 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm

you always need to save before everything so you can go bak and save again.. lesson learned… any other questions you can watch my youtube videos or contact me on xbox live SCHULZ FTW8 if you have a ps3 email me and if your on pc you can email me to any other weird just go die


On March 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm

i meant you can go back and try again;)


On March 25, 2012 at 12:29 am

I failed the first part of this mission where I had to do the pick pocketing. I did finish the other quests where I had to collect the debts. I did not receive my achievement for joining the thieves guild though Is there some way I can fix that? Please don’t hesitate to email with an answer : any answers will help me thankyou


On June 5, 2012 at 6:56 pm

Thnx dude!


On March 7, 2013 at 10:36 pm

I cannot, for the life of me, find this Brynjolf dude. Told me to meet him in the townsquare or whatever & I’ve been running around like an idiot for a solid 15 min. now. /: What am I doing wrong? Lol…


On December 7, 2013 at 8:32 am

If you get caught stealing the ring serve your time in jail and find him he’ll tell you to meet him in the ragged flaggon