The Diary of an MMO Virgin: Volume 2

lotroI have been playing The Lord of the Rings Online: The Shadows of Angmar for a few weeks now, and I have had ample time to run across some very interesting people during my adventures in Middle-earth. While I have to say that the majority of them are great folks who go out of their way to help each other out there are some that are more vexatious than others.

I am sure there are many different forms of annoyances caused by other players that I have yet to come into contact with, but if you have played MMOs in the past or are currently grinding your way through one, you should be familiar with the simpletons of which I speak. One of whom is the QUEST STEALER

Ah yes, the exasperating Quest Stealer. He is the guy who follows you through the cave full of spiders that you are fighting your way through, clearing every biting nemesis from his path for him without any effort. He stands behind you, waiting for you to vanquish the foes, and just when it comes time to beat the quest monster – a big fat ugly spider with poison dripping from her mandibles – he suddenly rushes in like Rambo without a jockstrap and kills her. Mind you, this guy was not invited on the quest with you he is just a straggler who happens to need the same one as you and has let you do all of the work for him without you even realizing it. Then, he so graciously departs your company after committing such a foul deed, while you wait for the evil beast to respawn so you can finish your quest. Angry, shocked and ready to go PvP on his ignorant ass, you have to contend with your quest’s spider lackeys as THEY respawn. While you fight off these horrid beasts once more, suddenly out of the corner of your eye, your main goal respawns and immediately comes over and kills you where you stand. If it weren’t for the fact that it is socially unacceptable and also because of the fact that your mother would have to see your face plastered on America’s Most Wanted, you would like nothing more than to beat him to the point of paralysis with an etiquette book and your computer mouse.


Another wonderful person you may encounter in your journeys is someone whom you mistakenly connected with to go on a major quest or instance. This person may be a random stranger you hooked up with during the game, not much different than you would at a bar at 3 a.m. and decide to go on an adventure together. You know, since you are both heading the same way and all, why not? Of course, this person could also be a member of your guild or kinship, in which case, they need to be excommunicated at once. I am speaking of the LOOT WHORE. Yes, we are all familiar with the Loot Whore – the one who always chooses NEED on every item roll. The one who is a Dwarf, who has no need of the wonderful bow that gives you +10 in Might and +8 in critical hit points and goes wonderful with not only your level, but your outfit. Did I mention that dwarves do not USE a bow? The Loot Whore is only interested in how much money they can auction it off for or get from a vendor so they can save up for mount that they will not even get until they have reached level 35. Did I mention that said dwarf is only a level 11 at this point? There is always the option of privately trading something you have to get what you feel they stole from you – like a cool two handed axe that has a +4 fire damage attack. Something you think a short, muscular little hairy man would like, right? Nope. They are only interested in money because, they are greedy whores.

My favorite of the lot though, is the L33T SPEAKER. I really wish I had not even brought this one up, because frankly, this person provokes me more than the others. I understand that there is a time and a place for l33t speak, but when you are in the middle of an instance with demented walking oak trees and their roots trying to bludgeon you to death while the forest spiders bite you in the ass, l33t speak is not appropriate. So to the L33t Speaker, I would like to say this to you:

I understand that we live in a world of haste and when you are playing an MMO and need to convey a message without the benefit of a microphone to your war party, typing abbreviations is indeed acceptable. With the popularity of instant and text messaging on the rise, it is only natural that one would learn how to communicate with as little amount of letters as possible. There is nothing wrong with that, however, when your abbreviations border on the edge of Esperanto, it becomes not only confusing, but also highly annoying. Granted, a microphone is the best form of communication on large instances and if you would invest in one this issue would be a moot point. But, if you actually HAVE to type to convey your message, please make it so we do not have to decipher your typing because frankly it is atrocious. Trust me when I say that even the NSA would have a problem decoding your gibberish. I have provided an example:

  • Thunderhammer: gt 2 rt $d of 17
  • Karigon: ???
  • Thunderhammer: wtf is mmm dn 1t wnt gt on his bksd
  • Harrimanst: eh?
  • Thunderhammer: lloll ftw 1 tly pwn3d b1g $p1d3r
  • Karigon: I don’t know what you said, but she wouldn’t have got “pwn3d” if you had hit it with your hammer more instead of just standing there
  • Thunderhammer: lloll stfu ;-) d00d ur m4d cux ma sk1llz r #1
  • Harrimanst: Thunder— plz speak English ffs!
  • Thunderhammer: dnt b l4m3
  • Karigon: omg wtf is he talking about?
  • Harrimanst: ??? No l33t speak plz
  • ****ME Has Come Online****
  • ME: Thunderhammer you twat!
  • Thunderhammer: rotfl, ur sol

While l33t speak is all fun and cute, AGAIN – when you are getting whomped by a huge tree and its wonderful root buddies, l33t speak is not an appropriate way to communicate with your brethren. This becomes especially true when the majority of your Kinship, while familiar with l33t speak, are not completely immersed in the language. Save this fun little way of speaking for normal chat or between you and your forum pals, but when you try to speak like this during a major quest, it is just annoying and frustrating. If you perhaps think that we should become more proficient in l33t speak just to accommodate you, please think again. While I admit that this is a growing trend, personally speaking, if I wanted to learn a fake language I would have taken my brother up on his offer to teach me Klingon. Also, if you want me to be honest with you, you don’t even speak l33t very well. 7hx, 4nd h4v3 4 n1c3 d4y!

So you see, my fellow gamers, now that I have ventured into the world of MMOs I have come to understand why they are both so addictive and frustrating at the same time. While I have to admit once more that the majority of the people I have come across are fantastic, the few “tards” that I have had the unfortunate pleasure of crossing paths with have indeed enraged me more than I have given them credit for in this piece. With so many different people playing the same game at the same time with the same goals; some decorum and class should really preside over you. If you do not act like a numbskull in real life – don’t act like one online. If you are a numbskull in real life – then behave for your own sake because eventually you will need someone to help you during a quest and after you have alienated so many people – you will have no one to heal you as tree roots are slowly skewering you.

In closing, I would like to say that the next time I write about my experiences in LotRO, I will no longer be calling my piece The Diary of an MMO Virgin. Since this is my second post, you could almost say that I have reached “second base” and by the third post – well, I will have gone “all the way”. Plus, you can’t truly still be considered an MMO Virgin when you have reached level 21 now can you?

*** Names where made up, and are not actual players I have run across. If your name is one of the above, please note it is purely a coincidence.

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27 Comments on The Diary of an MMO Virgin: Volume 2

Mustikos

On February 27, 2008 at 11:06 am

I remember doing a quest exactly like this during my free month trail on EQ2. It happens in a ton of mmo’s and whats really annoying is when you try to invite/talk to these people then its either no response or one that makes you think their a gold farmer. Of course then you get omg I pay 15 bucks a month to so I can be an ass if I want to. To me people like that are the people who have issues in real life that they can not handle and so by doing it to people in a game with no consequences at all it helps them address those issues.

•__•

On February 27, 2008 at 11:47 am

Never happened to me. But I’m annoyed by noobs who beg beg and beg.

“can u plz plz gimme items and armor plz.” “buffs plz” “give me good weapons plzz”

If you give them something, they start begging other people for other items. If you don’t give them, you are an idiot, at least according to them. All you can do is ignore them.

FrostPaw

On February 27, 2008 at 11:58 am

I don’t consider someone who rolls greed on loot to be a loot whore, greed is an equal chance for everyone. Passing on something is only really worth it when you know someone else is going to need it or you simply don’t want the item taking up room in your inventory.

mooshimooshi

On February 27, 2008 at 12:09 pm

this is why i tend to be a loner in MMOs. too many weirdos. i just select a class that has some stealth and nuking ability, or anything that can get you by alone. unfortunately EQ2 doesn’t cater to loners so i had to stop playing it. which is a shame because it was the best one i ever played.

Stephany

On February 27, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Frost Paw – I should have been more specific – this guy rolls greed on anything and everything – even spider eyes and blackened wolf paws. :roll:

ManOfTeal

On February 27, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Words I need to look up in a dictionary now after reading this post and comments:

1.) vexatious:

2.) rolls greed:

none

On February 27, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Stop whining. Play single player games if you don’t like it. I’ve been the victim of these kinds of players and it gives me a laugh. Which reminds me.

Add yourself as the Whining Crybaby player, who whines at anything that is outside of his worldview and attempts to destroy those around him by complaining to daddy (GM or Game Company Customer Service).

TheZorch

On February 27, 2008 at 11:06 pm

LOL. She sounds like Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation.

Snouty Hound

On February 27, 2008 at 11:13 pm

I have no problem with people who roll “greed” on everything. What I find unbearable is people who hit “need” every time something obviously valuable turns up. That’s why I insist on LOTRO loot being set to “roll/pass”.

DYMongoose

On February 27, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Rolling Greed on everything is ok because you’re not stealing from anyone. Rolling Need on everything is not ok because it trumps greed every time. If one person in the group rolls need, he instantly wins the item. Not cool if he can’t even use the item.

And then the leetspeak… I don’t think it is ever appropriate, but especially not in a huge fight. Something else that bugs the crap out of me is when people use their self-invented abbreviations when there is no rush at all. It’s as if people have become too lazy to type out an entire word.

Mikil

On February 28, 2008 at 1:32 am

One of my classes last semester was about Video Games, with a particular emphasis on MMO’s. The name of the class of Worlds of Wordcraft, but we used LOTRO as the basis of our studies. We had to blog every week, at

worldsofwordcraft.wordpress.com.

It was a really interesting semester, you guys should check it out.

Ben

On February 28, 2008 at 2:15 am

Stephany, I have a suggestion to make: If the game bothers you enough to write this sized article on it please find something else to do. For your own mental health and blood pressure. No reason to pound your head against a wall and pretend to call it “fun”.

cdoggie

On February 28, 2008 at 2:46 am

These are some of the reasons I play Guild Wars. Sure there’s no epic story or well known IP, but when I’m out in the world it’s all mine and no one can bug me unless I invite them. Should a pick up group go horribly wrong at least the loot is divided automatically.

“Oh that rare sword that was assigned to me? Just and inscription of ‘Measure for Measure,’ nothing great. Sorry!”

whatever92

On February 28, 2008 at 2:51 am

you seriously can’t write for sh!t

Bootymonsta

On February 28, 2008 at 6:24 am

Since you are an mmo newb, accept that the way you want people to act, isn’t going to happen with everyone.
Instead move on to enjoying the game with people you know that aren’t lameasses.

Here’s the breakdown on loot whoring.
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Anyone who doesn’t roll at least greed on everything, is a fool.

If you were both there for the kill, you both deserve an equal shot at the loot.
Just because you can actually equip the item NOW, doesn’t mean he has less of a right to roll need to win it with intent to go sell it, to eventually buy what he wants to equip LATER.
Your intended immediate use of the item does not validate your perceived need above his.

Rolling need when you only actually need (or could use) an item works when playing with friends, you know, people who have shown they aren’t greedy.

Otherwise, you should always roll Need with people you don’t know.

Trust is earned, only a fool gives it freely and expects to not be used just as quickly.

Don’t jump the gun, wait to see if they roll NbG (need before greed) before you roll at all.
If they hit need on an item, you still have the chance to roll need as well and win it.
Plus you now know you need to decide to either deal with rolling need on everything or stop grouping with the lootwhore. It’s really easy to tell when ppl are greedy.

ZOMG, of all potential tragedies in the universe lets say you dont win.

No need to freak out about low level crap, you should be progressing through your levels so fast it doesn’t matter when someone ninja’s a neat toy you wanted since you will eventually get better stuff another day that far out ranks the low level garbage some idiot is trying to take.

Beyond all that, you have no reason to complain whatsoever if you can engage the lootninja dwarf in pvp before fighting the boss.

As far as ‘ruining their rep by being a loot whore’, news flash, this is the internet, people have no attention span and likely wont care even if you do scream to the group leader that the dwarf he just invited ninja’d “your bow” last week.

Even if they do become alienated from people who also dislike ninja’s / jerks / etc, they will still have alot of people to group with………all the OTHER jerk-tard-ninjas.

Further, many people play rpg’s (role playing games) to be something they are not, this applies to total paradigm shifts in personality and social decorum otherwise compatible with your standards IRL. (in real life)
Such that:
jerk irl = nice guy in game
or
Nice guy irl = jerk in game

Your best course is to remain skeptical of any new people yet ready to meet the diamonds in the rough with all your nearly virginal questy fervor.

Once you stop drowning as an obnoxious of a whiner flailing about your ocean of tears, maybe you will make friends to adventure with, perhaps even start a guild of your own with like minded individuals who want to progress as a whole.

When it comes to listening to other players explain why they need X item more than you, be it in a group or as a guild rule, such as:
“officers get loot first” (classic loot whoring)
“tanks need loot more than you” (qualified)
“i deserve it due to the length of time since the last time i got something” or “you’ve gotten so much loot today, you can’t have EVERYTHING” (a mock socialist attitude veiled ironically behind a losing streak while they knowingly participated in during a luck based win system)

Whichever form it takes, know that any rules set is always designed to benefit the people who are making them, (and their immediate friends) they are not for the common good, EVER.

Be the person making the rules or stop crying/delete your char/go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

As for someone killing “your” quest monster, what makes it yours? The fact that you cleared the mobs leading up to it?

Wrong.
Yes they are a total jerkface for doing it, but so what.
Obnoxiously spewing your moral bile on willing listeners to the tune of WHY the bastard deserves his new title of Lord ScumSucker Lootwhoreius extrordinairium, isn’t going to get you what you want.

Change your strategy:
Don’t kill ALL the spiders then sit there waiting to get all your health and power/mana/etc back, be ready to strike at 100% when the boss is pulled

Try to trick the kill stealer into attacking the mobs that are right before the boss, feign that you’re going to leave.
Tell him its all his and start to walk off.
Then you swoop in and attack the boss while he deals with the little guys.

or
Invite him to the group and when you pull the boss, don’t heal the dwarf, just let his ninja ass die then you can kill the monster.

or
pull the boss and all the little spiders at the same time, more than he can handle alone and instead of focusing your damage on each mob to kill it quickly, spread your damage around then when ninjadwarf is about to take a dirt nap, step up your game and destroy everything and boot him from your group before he can say .

Make up your own strat, don’t just cry about how the world of warcraft or midguard or wherever you are isnt fair according to YOUR edition of morality.
Noone cares, neither should you.

He’s not being a selfish just because you and i think he is.

Leetspeak:
Right, here we go. ADAPT.
If it bothers you so much, dont group with these tards.
If they’re stupid and annoying in their speech, it prolly runs through the rest of their behaviour.
Consider yourself lucky for these constant warning signs alerting you to “get away from this foolman”
Put them on your ignore list and never interact with them again, problem solved.

Grow thicker skin, don’t get all butthurt… waaaaaa-its sooooooooooo UNFAIR sadface cry cry emo suicide ranty about this , srsly…..take a step back and relax.

Also, do use real names of players. I mean, that is the point of your rant, to get the word out about people who suck, right?

Protecting their identity is counter to your supposed cause.

You can’t legitimately do any moral posturing if you’re not even willing to be direct about who the jerks are.

MMO’s, like all video games aren’t addictive.
People do things compulsively without restraint until they are convinced it’s a comfy rut.
It’s on you weather you’re too complacent to bother waking up from it.
But ya, just call them addictive, that way it’s not your fault, much easier than taking responsibility for your choices.

Kevin

On February 28, 2008 at 10:17 am

Pretty amateur article, this stuff has existed since UO.

Quit MMO now, they are just severe timewasters (from a former player of them).

The guy above me takes WOW WAY too seriously.

somewhat

On February 28, 2008 at 10:41 am

It’s because of the attitude displayed by people like ‘Bootymonsta’ 2 posts above that I choose not to tool around in the ‘L33T werld’ of the MMO. Just goes to reinforce the point that screaming idiots aren’t only on XBox Live.

evan

On February 28, 2008 at 11:19 am

I’m a MMO newb as well, currently playing WoW. I love it. I think it is more enjoyable when you can find cool people to play with or join a good guild but… There are a lot of idiots in the world. From those who say, if you don’t like me being ass go somewhere else to guys like “Bootymonsta” up there who despite telling you not to share your experiences, will gladly share their point of view on things(which is alway right of course!). I’m currently a level 29 “twink” warrior and can handle most things solo. I keep my eye out for the best gear and just play with who I know. Ignoring the rest. Pretty much like I do in real life.

jb

On February 28, 2008 at 11:28 am

Try DDO – same company, but no griefing (no quest stealing) and the players on average are much more mature and disciplined. People are also much more willing to share nice items around if you ask or want to trade.

Also, the thrill of adventure and combat in DDO is lightyears ahead of everyone else’s.

be_nice_r_tard

On February 28, 2008 at 12:11 pm

To: bootymonsta
Wow dude. You took more time and effort to write your reply than the author did but unfortunetly all you did was the same they were talking about happening in the game. The ultimate answer to it all is: “It will never change”. I’m going to reply to your statements now.

“Just because you can actually equip the item NOW, doesn’t mean he has less of a right to roll need”: I would have to disagree with you on this to an extent. If a player, lets say a ranger(bow/arrow)and a tank are questing and you kill a boss type enemy that drops a nice bow that is a nice upgrade for you AND you can use it right now. However the tank rolls on it knowing full well your class uses bows and his doesn’t. You mention with a little message that the item would be a good upgrade but the tank wins it anyway because some tards have autoloot everything turned on. Then they say something like “oh sorry didn’t realize you wanted that” but then comes the next nice loot drop and the same happens. This is when you drop the group and find others. He/she may have a right to the loot BUT if the tank had any decency or common sense he would let the ranger have the bow knowing that in all likelyhood, when that badass chestplate drops and he is the only one that can use it, he will get it. But, if this same tank keeps taking everything you bet your ass the old addage of “what goes around comes around” comes into play(in EQ2 there is no ‘need’ rolls).

“you should be progressing through your levels so fast it doesn’t matter when someone ninja’s a neat toy you wanted”: Not everyone is a powerleveler like you. Some people actually take their time and ENJOY the game instead of rushing to the highest level as fast as possible. Once you’ve made a few 70′s or whatever your games level cap is, questing and leveling up your alts gets faster, but for the MMO virgin here, let them play at their own pace. No need to rush to 70.

“Once you stop drowning as an obnoxious of a whiner flailing about your ocean of tears, maybe you will make friends to adventure with..” Uncalled for really. The author is a newbie to MMO’s and instead of trying to give ‘helpful’ advice you just slam them and call them names just like the jerk dwarf the author mentioned about. You are no better than he/she nor are you the end all know all of MMO’s.

“Grow thicker skin, don’t get all butthurt… waaaaaa-its sooooooooooo UNFAIR sadface cry cry emo suicide ranty about this , srsly…..take a step back and relax” I don’t think the author mentioned anything about tears or crying like an emo. They just stated that this was a pretty ty situation, even happens to me, and thats all. I don’t really think the author was THAT upset about it. I think they reacted the same why I do when R-tards do this: “You mutha FU….”
There isn’t anything we can really do about it, but in the world of EQ2 you CAN report people for stealing mobs, even though they mostly go unheard. People who wait for you to clear a path to the boss and then steal the boss from under you are ASSHATS! This is NOT acceptable behavior in any MMO and these people need to be banned from playing MMO’s. I believe you DO have the right to claim that boss as yours if the dip ninja looter behind you wasn’t grouped with you nor did he help you on the way. YOU did all the work to get there the boss is YOURS! This is how most people who play MMO’s think. Your logic is of that of the dwarf in that you think it’s ok to follow someone for an hour watching them clear a path. You are in fact stealing their mob no matter how you may think about it.

Leetspeak: leet speak. Go play on your linux boxes. I’ve only run into a few of these on my server on EQ2 and the only solution to not hearing it(reading really) is to ignore the person. If they are in your group warn them that if they don’t speak real english you will ignore them and/or kick them. If you aren’t the leader and the leader doesn’t care then you can depart from the group. I don’t mind it so much but it is annoying. It takes more effort to try to leet speak than it does to just use real english.

STOP BEING A TARD!

be_nice_r_tard

On February 28, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Damn I can’t edit. Just wanted to say to the author: Take heart, things will get better once you meet the nicer people in MMO’s. Join a guild and quest with guildies if possible. They tend to follow the NBG rules more.

Bootymonsta

On February 28, 2008 at 3:57 pm

@Kevin: ” [you] take wow way too seriously”

Hey pot? meet kettle.
You’re on a blog, responding to a response about someones 1st mmo experiences….irony much?
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@Somewhat:
You don’t know me, but hey thanks for prejudging. Nope, can’t say I’ve ever been a screaming tard on xbl (or any game), which, honestly is one of the reasons also, (and I’m going for a recurring theme here) I expect strangers to be lame and try to only group/game with people i know.
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@Evan: Never was it said to not SHARE experiences. I don’t know where your getting that from. I did say not to CRY about it, be it in game or on a blog, as it reduces your chances of meeting people who wont find you too complaint ridden to bother grouping with.
As for my opinions being ‘right’….what would be the point of expressing myself if i didn’t feel i had something to add? You’re comment lacks logic but makes up for it in hypocrisy….aren’t you doing the same thing?
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@be_nice_r_tard:
“You took more time and effort to write your reply than the author did…”

]]] Well, OP said she’s just now getting into mmo’s, that would be a good time to break any misconceptions about imposing guilt on other players to care about your specific version of morality and fairness.
Your reply is rather lengthy as well, is it a bad thing when you do it? lol.
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"... but unfortunetly all you did was the same they were talking about happening in the game."

]]] I ‘stole’ her quest monster? Need roll Ninja’d her loot? Spoke leet during a boss pull?
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(paraphrased) "If a boss drops a bow that is an upgrade you can use right now [and is just greed loot for him]. You mention this but he takes it anyway, Then [lies to you] with
“oh sorry didn’t realize you wanted that”
Next loot, same happens. This is when you drop the group and find others.

]]] You just rewrote what i said.
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"He/she may have a right to the loot BUT if the tank had any decency or common sense he would let [other people progress over him]”

]]] This is the part I took issue with earlier, attempting to impose your ethics on other players. Everyone wants to progress first, some people simply ‘ninja’ items they don’t ‘need’ or cant equip, whereas others cry about it when you don’t follow THEIR rules for ethics and fairness.

Reread this part, as you’re still missing the point:
“If you were both there for the kill, you both deserve an equal shot at the loot.
Just because you can actually equip the item NOW, doesn’t mean he has less of a right to roll need to win it with intent to go sell it, to eventually buy what he wants to equip LATER.
Your intended immediate use of the item does not validate your perceived need above his.”
[[[

"[If you let] the ranger have the bow, when that badass chestplate drops and he is the only one that can use it, he will get it.

]]] reread the part right after the last one i just copy pasta:
“Rolling need when you only actually need (or could use) an item works when playing with friends, you know, people who have shown they aren’t greedy.

Otherwise, you should always roll Need with people you don’t know.

Trust is earned, only a fool gives it freely and expects to not be used just as quickly.”
[[[

"what goes around comes around"
]]] I can’t say i believe in that brand of cosmic justice, let’s agree to disagree.
[[[

"you should be progressing through your levels so fast it doesn't matter when someone ninja's a neat toy you wanted": Not everyone is a powerleveler like you. Some people actually take their time and ENJOY the game instead of rushing to the highest level as fast as possible.

]]] I don’t powerlevel either, nor am i saying anyone else should. I like doing having fun with all the side quests, rushing through to the ‘end’ is self defeating.
The point made here is that, since she’s low level the time required to progress past the low level content should naturally be rather short, such that, going from level one to twenty is probably faster than Fifty to fifty five. As you go higher on the leveling curve it plateaus to the point where one higher level can take as long as ten lower ones.
That new, more powerful level-30 loot should be hers for the taking in the very near future which greatly eclipses the low level-21 stuff she’s getting too worked up about.
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"Uncalled for really."
]]] Apparently, I thought the article begged for it.
‘Virgin’ in the title. and later on at the end.
‘jockstrapless rambo quest stealer’
‘hooking up at 3am in desperation at the bar’
Actually, that last one really explains more than was probably intended.
Meeting strangers in your mmo and expecting them to be kind, fair, just, sharing, fun, happy, polite and cool to you, is just as realistic as expecting some bar sleaze you settle for at 3am to fully disclose any pertinent information about their marital status or health conditions.
When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
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"The author is a newbie to MMO's and instead of trying to give 'helpful' advice you just slam them and call them names just like the jerk dwarf the author mentioned about.

]]] I didn’t give helpful advice?
You sir, have reading comprehension issues and should “L2read” (learn to).
I gave multiple alternatives for each scenario the OP had problems with.
The author name called as well, so what?
Oh and those definitions after leet speak?
Whatever you do, don’t figure out those are an attempt to help her read that jibberjabber thats all too common in this online society we’re evolving into.
I also certainly didn’t try to point out common strats (strategies) players employ to justify loot whoring in other situations.
Nope, nothing constructive here, move along people.
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You are no better than he/she nor are you the end all know all of MMO's."

]]] Better? Since when did this become a pissing contest about who is “better?” You’re completely off topic in your attempted personal attack.

Take this for what it is, someone who is a vet of mmo’s, attempting to impart experiences for the benefit of someone who just jumped into a pool of sharks.
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"I don't think the author mentioned anything about tears or crying like an emo. They just stated that this was a pretty ty situation, even happens to me, and thats all. I don't really think the author was THAT upset about it."

]]] The crying is here, in this blog and probably online in the game being played.
“waaa, ***my*** quest monster!
***My*** loot!,
my eyes from your confusing text in time of great concentration!”
Did you notice her doing the name calling as well?
Going great lengths as metaphors and threats of violence are used?
Did you read the same article?
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"There isn't anything we can really do about it, but in the world of EQ2 you CAN report people for stealing mobs, even though they mostly go unheard. "
]]] I wouldn’t call it ‘doing something’ if it has no direct positive effect for you, beyond annoying the eq2 staff.
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(paraphrased) "People who steal the boss are ASSHATS! This is NOT acceptable behavior in any MMO and these people need to be banned from playing MMO's."
]]] Agreed, these greifers suck. They ruin the experience for everyone. BAN THEM ALL!!!
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Maybe….they are playing a game online, which has little to no repercussions for ‘asshat’ behavior and that is WHY they are playing…to let off some steam.
Look at it this way.
To them its like playing GTA.
Instead of killing the citizens, cops and military alike, they get to kill a player controlled character, who at first, calmly and rationally explains why their actions contribute to a happy fun time tea party that all good little girls and boys can have fun if they can all just manage to play together and not be mean…..but eventually FREAKS THE OUT and has to go blog about it as their leaky vagoo inhibits their vision from realizing “everyone has a different definition for fun”.
They do it to see you get mad.
They do it because they don’t care.
They do it simply because they can.
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"I believe you DO have the right to claim that boss as yours if the dip ninja looter behind you wasn't grouped with you nor did he help you on the way. YOU did all the work to get there the boss is YOURS! This is how most people who play MMO's think.

]]] Sweet! We finally found someone who represents what most players think and feel and that is you, right? you know everything?…

If that was how most people playing think, then this is an isolated case and it’s nothing to get all worked up about.
But of course, this is false, indicated by your personal experience coinciding with hers, and mine, and a zillion other people who hate griefers.
The monster isn’t yours just cuz you cleared the path to it, the ONLY thing that makes it yours, is when your boots are at it’s neck as it lies on the ground before you, blood dripping off your sword from the kill as you loot it.
No amount of whining about fairness matters, if it did, then that’s how the game would work.
Much like everything in life, it’s not about fairness.
It’s all about the bottom line, who got the loot.
Any text pertaining to the ‘why’ ‘who’ ‘where’ ‘what’ ‘how’ does nothing but fuel the fires of emo blog tales. You also provide great entertainment for the ninjas I imagine, yes they are laughing at you.
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"Your logic is of that of the dwarf in that you think it's ok to follow someone for an hour watching them clear a path."

]]] No, I’m not advocating being a jerk. I’m saying that all the crying in the world doesn’t get you what you want.
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"You are in fact stealing their mob no matter how you may think about it."

]]] Your reasoning evidences impaired logic. “if you disagree with me for any reason you are WRONG!”….it’s tough to say that and not look retarded and close minded. This is also known as ‘Begging the question’.
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" leet speak. Go play on your linux boxes."

]]] More insular thinking, ‘if i dont like what you’re doing, you are wrong and should leave MY play space’
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"the only solution is to ignore the person. warn them that if they don't speak real english you will ignore them and/or kick them. If you aren't the leader then you can depart from the group. I don't mind it so much but it is annoying."

]]] You state that there’s only one solution, then you give other examples. Reading as you type is tough….this more of an incoherent steam of consciousness response.
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"It takes more effort to try to leet speak than it does to just use real english. STOP BEING A TARD!"

]]] It takes even more effort to not develop an aneurism reading what you call ‘real’ english.

The over arcing theme of my response was ‘relax about the tards and avoid them, just find nice, like minded people’.

Stephany

On February 28, 2008 at 7:02 pm

:roll: OMG :roll:

There is a reason why I have steered clear from playing any MMO in the past and a couple of you just reiterated those reasons. I won’t mention “REAL NAMES” like one of you suggested I do, because I try to be a polite person in real life, and there is a major difference between being a just to be one and being a by accident.

Now, with that said, I would like to reply to a couple of comments:

BEN: “If the game bothers you enough to write this sized article on it please find something else to do. For your own mental health and blood pressure. No reason to pound your head against a wall and pretend to call it “fun”.”

Unfortunately, this is what I am being paid to do. Its my job to bang my head against a wall and pretend to call it fun. This could have easily have been an “editorial” about XBL. Right? :wink:

none: “Stop whining. Play single player games if you don’t like it. I’ve been the victim of these kinds of players and it gives me a laugh. Which reminds me.
Add yourself as the Whining Crybaby player, who whines at anything that is outside of his worldview and attempts to destroy those around him by complaining to daddy (GM or Game Company Customer Service).”

First off, I am not some thirteen year old tattletale who goes running off to complain to a GM or anyone else for that matter regarding a situation that I, as a grown woman, can handle myself. I see I touched a nerve with you somewhere in there, and I am sorry if you possibly saw a bit of yourself somewhere in there, but being intentionally rude and obnoxious just makes gameplay an unpleasant experience for all involved. How many of you out there, yourself included “none” have run into irritating people on XBL? There are many many MANY editorials and posts that I have read on many a gaming site discussing the ignorance that occurs on XBL and it is all fun and laughter – until someone dares mention the ones you come across in the MMO. Suddenly, people take offense. It is just like real life, there are jerks and then there are non-jerks – the only difference in online gaming is the cloak of anonymity. Just think of the fist fights that would occur at the mall or grocery, or when playing football or pumping gas if you were to behave like this using your true identity?

Thank my lucky stars that the Kinship I joined three days ago are some of the nicest people I have ever met online, and they purposely remove jerkasses from the group.

Also, one more thing, there is no reason to be beyond hateful to people just because their opinion differs from yours. But again, that is the bad thing about anonymity online. You never know which house to toilet paper or whose face to stick your middle finger in :wink:

somewhat

On February 28, 2008 at 7:32 pm

@ monsta
I guess I wasn’t specific enough in your case. I was actually comparing you to some of the idiots on live, should have figured you couldn’t figure that one out (sorry, was that last bit too complicated for you to grasp also?). Your post and reply were enough for me to know that I would never want to be playing any videogame with you, and that was the point I was trying to get across. :roll:

DanceOfDeath

On February 28, 2008 at 7:54 pm

@evan
you are not a twink, twinks are characters who are supported by a higher level character. The higher level character gives the lower level character money and items to get enchants and gear with. If you don’t have good enchants on your gear, your not a twink.

Joe

On February 29, 2008 at 4:03 pm

Choosing need or greed on every roll IS appropriate. Thats why its there. If someone doesn’t need an item, they should roll greed in case nobody else needs it either. This way everyone rolls for it and can do what they will with it if they win.

If somebody loses a roll for something they needed because they rolled greed, it’s that person’s fault for not rolling need. Not the person who rolled greed.

Need if you need and greed if you don’t. It really is that simple.

Teesee

On March 2, 2008 at 7:42 pm

I think you chose the right game the folks in lotro are great, it was my first real MMO i played (runescape was first)…. but since going to lotro i have been trying out a whole host of MMO’s…love the diary keep up the good work