The Dumbest Arguments Surrounding the PSN Downtime Controversy

What is it about the PlayStation 3 in particular that attracts some of the stupidest “debate” this side of the Internet? I sometimes wonder if the PS3 is a close third to religion and politics in terms of subjects guaranteed to start a staggeringly stupid fight. While the Xbox 360 and the Wii have their fair share of loyalists, there’s something particularly zealous about those who intimately adore their PS3s, and it seems to inspire a brand of lunacy that is without compare.

The recent PlayStation Network outage, and subsequent news that Sony may have accidentally given hackers all our personal information, is no exception. As with any PS3 controversy, a wave of idiotic statements were made, not to mention the kind of convoluted excuses and outright denial that are best reserved for the Catholic Church. Several of these arguments became quite common and propagated around communities all over the Internet, despite the fact that they were quite, quite stupid. Let’s look at some of the stupidest, which also happened to be the most common.

Everything can be hacked, Internet security is bad everywhere, this could happen to anyone:

I’ve had a few people try and tell me that this could happen to any online service, therefore what happened wasn’t out of the ordinary, therefore it’s not a big deal. I wonder, then, why this has become the biggest videogame story of the year if it’s so common a scenario as to become banal. Why did it hit the front page of CNN.com? Why was a senator moved to criticize Sony in a letter to Jack Tretton? Why has this not happened on Xbox Live and Steam, if it’s such an everyday occurrence?

Surely, if ‘net security is so awful that our personal details are stolen en masse by every online service in the world, we’d have heard about it before now. Somehow, I don’t think Sony has become a universal scapegoat, taking the fall for a problem that has happened everywhere. And while it’s absolutely true that individual Xbox Live accounts have been phished and hacked, it has been nowhere near the scale of what happened with the PlayStation Network. The idea that Xbox Live phishing makes the PSN situation somehow “okay” is laughable. Even if the exact same thing happened to Xbox Live, where every XBL user was exposed and the service had to go down, that wouldn’t excuse Sony — we’d just have two companies that look like dipshits right now, instead of just one.

Your credit card is at risk wherever you go

Yep, it’s true. Your credit card is at risk wherever you go. Not a big deal, right? Also, you could get knocked over by a car every time you cross the street, so it’s not so bad if a guy gets drunk and knocks you down. You could get robbed at knifepoint the moment you leave your house, so it’s not like we should expect better police protection and security measures, yeah? And any planet is at risk of getting smashed to pieces by space debris or wayward lasers, so is what the Empire did to Alderaan really so bad? Really?

The fact that your personal details are at risk does not excuse Sony from making that risk so much greater, and just because there’s a chance of something happening, that doesn’t mean we should expect companies to make halfhearted attempts to stop it. With Sony announcing new security measures this weekend, it’s clear that the company itself knows that previous measures just weren’t good enough. It’s absurd to gloss over Sony’s part in this screw-up because it could “happen anywhere.” The fact is, 77 million people do not suddenly find themselves at an increased risk of identity theft every single day of the week. Yes, everyone’s at risk every time they use they’re credit card, but the risk is minimized by companies who have their shit together, doing their best to protect your data. That’s why Sony is currently one of the most embarrassed companies in the world and, Valve is not.

Why is nobody blaming the hackers?

A considerable number of Sony Defense Force representatives somehow thought that by deflecting all blame to the hackers, Sony would be exonerated. The problem here is that the hacker’s guilt is already implied when you say that the PlayStation Network got fucking hacked. Nobody needs to blame the hackers, because we all know what the hackers did, and the vast majority of us are not condoning their activities. In a situation where one is explicitly talking about Sony‘s part in the situation, one doesn’t need to keep qualifying arguments by reminding people that the hackers are also bad.

“Sony should have done more to protect our details, and should have focused more on server-side security than fighting a losing battle against piracy. Also, the hackers were bad.”

You just don’t need to add that last statement.

Very few people are saying the hackers are blameless. It’s just that their blame is so damn obvious that it doesn’t need to be said, expect by apologists who want to see Sony free of all responsibility. It would be like people discussing the lack of parental care exhibited by Madeline McCaan’s parents when they left her unattended, with some moron constantly trying to deflect it by crying, “Why is nobody blaming the guy who abducted her?” You don’t invalidate legitimate arguments by passing a buck that didn’t need passing.

PSN’s defenses were shit and Sony is bad, it deserved to get hacked

An argument against Sony this time, but no less dumb for it. Some have seen fit to actually excuse the hackers by suggesting that the PlayStation Network was too weak and that Sony shouldn’t have sued George Hotz or acted like a dick about piracy. Sorry, but that doesn’t magically make it “cool” to hack into a network and steal the data of 77 million people. I shouldn’t even have to say that, just like nobody should have to say that a woman wearing a short skirt does not justify a sex attack.

I think Sony’s focus on the wrong thing — endless Firmware updates and a fruitlessly perpetual struggle against piracy — did help this situation happen. I also have little doubt that Sony’s suits against Hotz and Graf_Chokolo brought PlayStation Network to the attention of an increased amount of hackers, and that those hackers didn’t have to struggle much to make off with as much potential data as they did. None of that, however, makes the hacking itself okay.

You wouldn’t blame your dad if his house got robbed

Another strangely regular argument takes the form of a hypothetical situation in which a friend or family member is robbed. The logic states that if you wouldn’t blame somebody whose house was robbed, you cannot blame Sony for exposing 77 million PSN accounts to increased risk of fraud. Just thinking about the logical twister that needs to be played in order to arrive at this conclusion is enough to make one’s nose bleed.

No, you wouldn’t blame your Dad if his house was robbed. But if he let someone borrow his keys to get something from the house, and that guy was an idiot who forgot to close the door on the way out, and a burglar just walked right in and took what he wanted, we’d blame more than one person. Sony is not the Dad in this situation, it’s that guy. The forgetful, key-jangling imbecile who forgot to lock the door when he was done. Yes, as has already been discussed, we’d also blame the robber as his part in this scenario isn’t in question. However, the fellow who made it so easy for the robber shares a decent fraction of the blame as well.

You’re seriously an idiot if you think this hypothetical situation is an accurate model for arguing in Sony’s favor.

Red Ring of Death LOL!

The Red Ring of Death is one of the stupidest fucking things to have ever happened in the history of videogames, and Microsoft should forever feel embarrassed for putting out such awful, awful hardware. The problem is, however, that the RRoD being a terrible situation does not somehow let Sony off the hook for shutting down the PlayStation Network, costing developers millions of dollars, and fucking over all its customers. As grievous as the Red Ring is, it hasn’t made people cancel their credit cards and worry about who has their personal information.

Strawmen like this have popped up all week. Remember when Xbox Live went down in 2007? Remember how you have to pay for XBL Gold? These are all legitimate instances of Microsoft’s own bullshit, but that doesn’t make Sony’s bullshit less legitimate. There’s not a finite amount of criticism in the world that has been fully spent on the Xbox 360. Sony fucked up, and while the PSN didn’t explicitly deserve to be hacked, the company does deserve all the criticism, mockery and blame that has been thrown in its direction. There’s no two ways about it. When people screw up on such a huge magnitude, they expect to be called out on it.

The fact that people think Sony doesn’t deserve any blame truly boggles my mind. You’d think that the most loyal, invested fans would be the ones most angry, but I’ve seen them actually thanking Sony for being so awesome throughout all this. Like I said at the start of this article, the forgiveness and blind acceptance exhibited here rivals that of Catholics who somehow believe that institutional sexual abuse isn’t a big problem. At this rate, Sony could have its own pedophilia scandal, with Jack Tretton himself caught pounding a ten-year-old, and PS3 fanboys would claim that the kid seduced him.

Gamers, man. Fucking gamers.

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75 Comments on The Dumbest Arguments Surrounding the PSN Downtime Controversy

Aids

On May 2, 2011 at 11:50 am

fanboys in general.

Their idiotic spectrum of extremes of pick one side or the other just shows how incompetent they are to the larger picture. Just wait a few more weeks. I’m sure you’ll see a ton of conspiracies come about why they’ve had down time including but not limited to,

*Microsoft is jealous of Sony
*Nintendo is jealous of Sony
*Anime anime video games video games
*Haters are jealous of Sony

Steve

On May 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm

From a completely unbiased viewpoint, Sony really is to blame for all the recent happenings.

For starters, they have been (and continue to do so) handling the hacking community in the completely wrong way. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my 16+ years of the internet is that you don’t goad the hacking community (at least not publically). The hackers will rise the challenge and then some. Even with the whole George Hotz debacle placed aside, Sony has handled the hacking community with the subtlety of a sledghammmer. When Valve got hacked years ago and the Half-Life 2 build was released into wild, they handled the whole situation rather elegantly. Valve went to the community for help. Can you ever see Sony doing this? With their current approach of PR goading and strong-arm tactics, I can not.

As far as the network intrusion, Sony has to have either the worst software design team ever for a company of its size or their Quality Assurance is non-existant. Who in the hell leaves customer information unencrypted and just sitting there in a flat text file or whatever, ripe for the picking? Crypto is a second year course in computer science here at the college university. Seriously, Sony: Facepalm.

While I very well know it’s the hackers who are claiming this is specifically how Sony bumbled it (let’s face it, we’ll never hear Sony’s side of the story), even if the hackers are stretching the truth a bit, it’s still no excuse for the obvious weak security that Sony (after about a week of internal fumbling) admitted to in later PR statements.

Bringing in a team of “experts” after the fact is just proof that someone over there has seriously dropped the ball. You bring in a team of experts prior to the fact, not after. It’s called auditing.

I would love to know (and I doubt I’ll never know) of existance of some internal correspondence between the Sony software engineers and the execs regarding “potential security risks regarding customer data”. Something tells me those emails/memos trash binned in favor of the ones titled “Weekly sales figures”. And in that case, I blame the execs, not the lowly programmers for this recent debacle.

And if the security breach was internal (which is probably the highest form of intrusion), there should have been measures in place in the event of this. Sony appears to have been totally lacking in this area as well. If you have to physically move your data centers, that’s pretty much admitting you’re running in paranoid mode. It’s pretty arrogant to assume all factions involved within your sphere of influence are beyond corruption.

In either event, this is a scar that will haunt this company for years to come.

R.S. Hunter

On May 2, 2011 at 12:29 pm

You pretty much said it all, Jim. Bravo.

Sony deserves to be blamed for their apparent lack of security, and they also deserve all the flak their getting over their PR. Waiting a week to tell people that their data had been stolen? Inexcusable. The moment a company thinks that’s happened, they need to warn their customers of the potential danger, not just sit their with their thumbs up their asses while they wait for the experts to confirm, oh yes, lots of got stolen.

mrandydixon

On May 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm

ing gamers.

beema

On May 2, 2011 at 12:41 pm

Excellent response to the craziness and pure absurdity of these defenses for Sony.

I think a lot of this fanatical defensiveness stems from people investing themselves so much in something, that they would rather flat out lie and deny the truth than risk looking stupid for liking something flawed. Of course, they wind up looking stupid by doing that as well, so it seems rather pointless.

The one thing this didn’t address:
The idiots who say “come on, just bring PSN back, who cares about all this other crap! I can’t live without PSN!”
Really? Because you wanting to play Killzone 3 online is more important than the safety of 77 million people’s private information? Such narcissistic self-absorbed little wads. There’s about 5 billion other things you could do with your time! PSN is NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

Earnest

On May 2, 2011 at 12:42 pm

I’m not in the habit of defending Sony over this fiasco. In fact, I believe that the way they handled the data breach is inexcusable. However, your lead argument is way off base. Counting only the largest data breaches of the past five years, many hundreds of millions of customers’ credit cards and other data have been compromised. I mean, it was just two weeks ago that we were talking about the Epsilon data breach. This was a major data breach, yes, but what made it extraordinary wasn’t the scope but Sony’s response.

And the reason it’s a major video game story is because it’s a major event, happening to a major company, during a time when there is little actual news being made.

Alca

On May 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm

So now you know: if your house got robbed you shouldn’t have been keeping valuable stuff there in the first place, and get a better lock! No, don’t go blaming the robber you lazy piece of sh*t! You were obviously in the wrong! You know there are robbers, why aren’t you living in a bunker?! You had it coming…

4chan

On May 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm

xbox fan boy detected!

WOW

On May 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm

Your article is f**cking stupid. Get a clue. Why wouldn’t you blame the hackers for this? They’re the ones with the nerd rage so they dragged innocent customers into this mess just to get at Sony.

So if a woman gets raped, you’re going to blame her for being raped in the first place or the f**cking sex offender that raped her in the first place?

Shendow

On May 2, 2011 at 7:37 pm

Learn to do a history check before you be dumb, Ebay is a number one place to be hacked, a dumb site called Gaiaonline has hackers hacking peoples accounts to get money and items that only are for your avatar.

Even I goverment has had their stuff hacked, here something to ask yourself.

If someone really wants to break into your house, they will and their isn’t anything stopping them to.

GGallen

On May 2, 2011 at 7:38 pm

@Wow

Back in the day a guy named GG Allen, a punk rocker, was dating this woman. People who observed them reported that their standard mating ritual was for him to rape her, and she got into getting raped by her man. Ok, that persisted until she suddenly decided that she didn’t like getting raped anymore.

Anyhow GG Allen did end up doing time in jail for rape, but common, some woman actually are asking to get raped. How was GG Allen supposed to know when he crossed the line???

So anyhow, I guess my point is, SDF members are asking to be raped by Sony at this point, and judging by their reaction to getting raped, I think they are kinda getting into getting raped.

Someday they might change their mind, and how is Sony going to know that they crossed the line?

Ok, yes, I was trying to make the dumbest argument in the history of the internet, and I guess that makes me a troll, but I hoped you guys enjoyed laughing at me anyhow.

Kamanashi

On May 2, 2011 at 7:43 pm

You are an idiot. Obviously you don’t realize that any network is really vulnerable. No defense is perfect, the only reason this made CNN headlines and other news headlines is because it was one of the few successful attacks. Your own site could easily be ed up tomorrow and then what? Gamefront would look like a dip. May not be personal info leaked, but it would still be a up on your site’s side.

WhoDat?

On May 2, 2011 at 8:18 pm

James,

Your an Xbox moron.

Regards,

Dat

Jim Sterling

On May 2, 2011 at 8:22 pm

I love how the only serious attempt to counter this article just used the exact same argument I called bull IN the article.

Self awareness is a rare commodity on the Internet, apparently.

WhoDat?

On May 2, 2011 at 8:28 pm

James,

Why counter stupidity?

Sincerely,

Dat

Big Jack McBastard

On May 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm

“I love how the only serious attempt to counter this article just used the exact same argument I called bull IN the article.”

Not agreeing with an argument doesn’t invalidate it. Neither does calling it bull.

bball215

On May 2, 2011 at 8:43 pm

Jim,
So just because you say that an argument is bull means that people can’t use it? You aren’t automatically right if you post something on the internet.

DRIZZLE

On May 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm

Flamebait xbot troll. As an owner of both consoles I find it insulting for you to call ALL PS3 owners stupid. I personally blame Sony AND the hackers for this bag of . Keep your moronic opinions to yourself, unless you just want web hits.LOL.

Phatty

On May 2, 2011 at 8:50 pm

The “Remember when Xbox Live went down in 2007?” argument I think is aimed towards people who are utterly shocked that this whole thing happened. Utterly shocked to the point they never thought it was possible, and now Sony is horrible because of it(even though they’ll go right back to the PSN when it’s up and running again).

It’s just that happens. Yeah, they need to get their back together, but it happens no matter how strong you think you are. And when it happens, and you get it back together, you get stronger because of it.

Some of these arguments I think are being taken out of context, because also saying that Internet security gets hacked, I think, is a legitimate point.
Anti-Virus software needs to be updated every year….because hackers find out it’s coding and work their way around it. It’s almost like diseases evolving with us. I’m not saying that hackers are diseases, but from Sony’s standpoint, they are.

Liara

On May 2, 2011 at 8:50 pm

Oh gawd, another exaggerating jim sterling article denouncing on all things sony related. Fans included. Ugh, stay on destructoid with all that please.

Ill just say this, his ignorance matches his waistline.

LOL

On May 2, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Delete my comment? You don’t want to get called out for your stupidity, right? You haters are PATHETIC.

Phatty

On May 2, 2011 at 9:16 pm

One more thing to add.
If my Xbox account got hacked(if I had one) then I would be far more pissed than my PSN getting hacked. If I’m paying for the service, and it has my information on there, it damn well better not be hacked. In the grand scheme of this ordeal, collectively bunching everyone’s accounts as a massive attack, yes, this one is worse.
But from an individual standpoint, I’d be more frustrated if my Xbox account got hacked.

Pretty extreme to assume if we heard Tretton pounded some 10 year old girl, we’d defend him and remove any doubt. Same goes for your last line, “Gamers, man. ing gamers.” So what are you then? You’re writing an article for a website called… Gamefront.

Sounds pretty elitist and come to think of it, I smelt vagina juice the whole time I read this article. Signs of a douchebag.

bneals

On May 2, 2011 at 9:35 pm

I love how making a logical argument makes the writer a xbox fanboy. The writer acknowledged that XBL also went down and noted that MS acting crappy didn’t give PSN a free pass. Is this story a big deal…yes. Is it bigger than Osama getting tapped in his left eye and pushed off into the deep sea…no. Then again, this is a gaming blog so the Sony story is big news.

Phatty

On May 2, 2011 at 9:41 pm

@bneals

Pretty logical to bring up how important this article is to more important issues in reality and then defeat yourself with your own answer anyhow.
Daresay I ask you, what IS logic then sir?
I assume a few pushes of the backspace in your case.

Only 2 people said he’s an Xboy, most of these comments are either commending him or retorting with reason.

boboton

On May 2, 2011 at 9:54 pm

I just want to post the view from someone else. I share it 100%

From psx-scene (Draconic):

Here’s some truth for everyone:

Sony can and probably will claim anything they want to cover their asses, including whether certain information was compromised, if it was encrypted, how much of it was stolen, if it was even stolen at all… If they really don’t have their together, they will do and say anything to prevent word from getting out. Likely, it would have to be dragged out of them kicking and screaming.

In the meantime, a lot of other people will claim whatever they want for any number of reasons from being angry with Sony for their shoddy business practices, to being a greedy, sue-happy freeloader with an itchy speed-dial finger. None of these claims are true until proves so.

So what we have here are a lot of people with a lot of motivations to lie and cover-up. This is the truth about the climate surrounding these events at present.

The other truths we have to work with are the roles that people played:

Sony’s role was to protect personal information and credit card information against thieves, and should have been protecting this information under the assumption that they will be attacked, and that some features will be worked around.

The thieves role in this was to steal information from Sony. That’s what thieves do, and it’s a fact of life. Thieves gonna thieve.

The next truth that this reveals is that Sony’s task of keeping safe information from thieves met with failure — period. Sony knew thieves existed, and they should have known that they’re a pretty big target. They should have been acting under the assumption that they will be attacked, and should have had systems in place for all steps of dealing with the attack. Before the attack they should have had preventative measures. During the attack, they should have had detection systems, and after the attack they should have damage-control systems in place for themselves and for their customers.

In a windstorm, when a gust blows down your house, do you blame the wind? No, the wind is going to blow, it’s a fact of life. Of course the wind caused the failure of the house, but the house should have been built under the assumption that the wind was gonna blow, and hard.

Of course the thieves are the cause, but Sony is to blame.

Jim Sterling

On May 2, 2011 at 9:56 pm

bball215:

No, when I say an argument is bull, I’d at least expect a reply explaining why it *isn’t*. Just repeating the exact same argument again makes the poster sound like an idiot who either didn’t read the article or completely lacks self awareness.

Not really very hard to follow along with this.

BooHooLittleBitch

On May 2, 2011 at 10:22 pm

You expected people to read that tripe?

Reading the writing of an xbox fanatic about his opinion of the PS3 is as entertaining as the exclusive games the 360 has left. In other words: Not at all.

mmmbop

On May 2, 2011 at 11:36 pm

Data breaches do happen on a daily basis, generally not to companies of Sony’s scale because it takes more time and effort to get them when you can get the same essential info for 20 other sources with less time.

No one is saying that it’s okay for Sony to have been breached, people are only saying that this isn’t the result of Sony incompetence. Unless you’re constantly investing into security and encryption techniques, you are going to fall behind. And our credit card data isn’t that critical and even less so the info most of us have publicly available in a phone book.

As for any comparisons between 360 and Sony, it’s only a sign of fanboism, as this article wrecks of. Microsoft is imperfect, Sony is imperfect. One companies sucking more in one way then the other is irrelevant. Both are companies that have numerous faults but ultimately put out products we want and use.

Lastly, there have been two resounding points made by gamers. One is, when will the services be back up. Two, what is going to happen to the hackers. I’ve seen absolutely no one downplay the role of the individual or group responsible. If Sony was targeted because of the size of their database, the mear challenge of it, or because of misguided “vengeance” we’ll likely never know. Simply we know that Sony was targeted and like most anything that isn’t Extremely critical, as in government, information it will be broken.

Electronic security is an extremely lucrative career path because it’s immensely difficult and constantly evolving.

Daniel Switzer

On May 2, 2011 at 11:47 pm

Get a Wii.

PCZero

On May 2, 2011 at 11:58 pm

LOL @ BooHooLittle, that’s the same ing people were saying about the PS3 a while ago when MGS and FF showed up on X-Box.

Fact is all of you are gots, Sony IS to blame for blatant and obvious fail that did not need an article of this size to be explained. They didn’t encode their , it was in a standard text file. That’s the most ing retarded thing they could have possibly done, ever. That was their fault. Are the hackers at fault too? Yeah, sure, they well… hacked, no sherlock.

But frankly, fact is Sony has gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to piss of hackers and have actually created a situation with their fanatical anti-piracy attempts, where their network, software and so on have been regularly studied closely by a large number of hackers. The amount of documentation on their because they’ve had so MANY firmware, etc. updated to prevent piracy is exactly why so much information has been recorded about ALL of their . As a result, hacking them was a breeze, the hackers practically had an instruction manual on how to do so handed to them.

Is that bit Sony’s fault? Yeah, I mean, I can’t blame them for trying to prevent piracy but dude, any noob knows they’re gonna piss off the lol hax community with that (plus the PUBLIC taunting didn’t help), they should of prepped their security or AT LEAST encoded their mother ing database like 16 year old website/forum owners regularly do because it’s a simple, easy thing to do that takes no time at all to set up. It’s not that ing hard for god’s sake. What they did concerning the sheer lack of encoding is NOT excusable, for ANY company, even if it were a small shop up the corner.

And that ladies and gents, is why it’s Sony’s fault.

James

On May 3, 2011 at 12:30 am

wow… gettin alot of flak for what seems like a perfectly reasonable argument.

i love my PS3, but Sony are in dumbasses who ed up royally (PSN).

i love my xbox, but microsoft are in dumbasses who ed up royally (RROD).

me liking the ps3 or xbox and/or sony or microsoft ing up does not invalidate either one of them being factually stupid, and making actual mistakes.

get a brain, morans.

Callinyouout

On May 3, 2011 at 1:03 am

your first point made me loose all faith in the rest of the article.

yes it could happen to any gaming network.

what got the medias attention is the personal information breach that happened

I work in IT its not impossible and by all means if you have any education in the field is not hard to do

anon

On May 3, 2011 at 3:56 am

bitter, ugly and severely overweight people should not be allowed to create articles on anything. ever.

to say ps3 fanboys are any worse than any other platform is fanboyism at its purest source. they are all equal in their idiocy.

infact, the entire article is so riddled with inaccuracies im not even going to bother going through them.

refer to my first statement. do not hire these type of people to write articles. they are miserable people and as such project that misery onto others and it manifests inside these articles.

or maybe just, ya know, lose some ing weight stirling. . you are a behemoth.

Steven Bruno

On May 3, 2011 at 5:19 am

Isn’t the “Red Ring of Death” point actually a Red Herring argument because it distracts the reader from the main argument?

rayzor

On May 3, 2011 at 6:28 am

Jim i lost my faith in the objectivity of this article after your firt argument. Hacking happens EVERYWHERE! wow, ebay, xbox, websites, freakin everything! And that the hacking of psn became frontpage news is just because sony is such a big company And it was a large scale problem that entails 77 miljon peepz. Cnn isnt gonna cover a victim of hackers on steam. I find your article extremely unbaised and the arguments in it taken out of context. I still love to read your other articles because i love to hear your opinion on the game news of the day. But this article didnt impress me.

Ps: please dont trash my english. Im not a us resident nor do i live in england but in the netherlands, thats in europe and as we all know thats the sony kapital next to japan ofc. So its likely that any feedback that you took from that facebook were from europeans, people who dont master the.english language, or just not good enough. So i just wanted to add that you trashing the english spelling and grammer of foreign pleople is really classy.

Silly

On May 3, 2011 at 7:53 am

Wow, you sure riled up PS3 fanboys with your article.

Otakulad

On May 3, 2011 at 9:34 am

You say that PS3 fans are the ones that are crazy fanboys? I see the complete opposite. It always seems that the 360 fans are the first ones to say that the PS3 sucks, one of my friends included. And for the idiots out there that complain that Sony took too long to tell people they were hacked, they are required to by New Jersey, Maryland, and New Hampshire law. They say you can’t tell anyone it happened until they do an investigation first. If you don’t know the full story, don’t comment.

Nextgen

On May 3, 2011 at 10:36 am

Hey!
So…
XBOX kid how are you?
So just because the PSN is down you tjink you are the best?
Man,just shut the hell up please.
I’m a PS3 user and i’m not whining any about it.
I stoped reading your little kid’s post as soon as the the first paragraph.
Sorry i felt i needed to say this.
Good Afternoon Kid.

Yeah so

On May 3, 2011 at 9:57 pm

Sony now admits to being hacked not once but twice. Are we going for third times the charm?

ShouldaCoulda

On May 3, 2011 at 10:43 pm

Shoulda got an XBox! ;D

Paul

On May 4, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Jim Sterling,

Please keep the Anti-Catholic Remarks to yourself. There is enough hate in the world without you fanning the flames. Thanks

Jim Sterling

On May 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm

More anti-pedophile excusers than anti-Catholic.

I can see why it’s hard to tell the difference sometimes though.

shane

On May 5, 2011 at 2:09 pm

playstation network is free lol

Nick

On May 5, 2011 at 8:32 pm

I manage a datacenter (far smaller than Sony’s), but even I have a few basic tenets of security that I make my folks stick to. Rule #2 is, simply:

Keep your stuff patched.

Sony didn’t do that.

http://consumerist.com/2011/05/security-expert-sony-knew-its-software-was-obsolete-months-before-psn-breach.html

In short, being a huge corporation dealing with millions of dollars in online transactions, Sony was negligent in properly securing personally identifiable and financially sensitive information. They do not and did not ‘deserve’ to get hacked, the same way that someone who leaves their front door open does not ‘deserve’ to get robbed, but Sony absolutely deserves to pay for the attack’s consequences for the affected customers. Pretty black and white. This is basic IT 101 type stuff.

EKhatch

On May 5, 2011 at 11:18 pm

Just gonna throw this out there, I own every system and I believe the reason that Sonys security wasnt the best BECAUSE of the face that its a free service. I think thats why I have never seen xbox live mess up quite like this. I’ve had xbl for a long time and the longest I ever went was a day and that was for the huge avatar update and all. I know there are a lot of sony fan boys out there who are super pissed but like I’ve said before, you aren’t really paying for it so what can you expect? The fact that it works as good as it does and you don’t pay a fee is something all PS3 users brag about constantly, that you dont have to pay for playstation network. Personally I just think all the arguing is ignorant and stupid. Bottom line is Sony got hacked, and I honestly don’t see it ever happening to xbox live because there are so many people out there who give them $60 a year for a dependable service. Could it happen to xbox? Yes, but I just don’t see it happening. Also, anyone who left a comment before me about how your system is so much better than an xbox, get a clue… you obviously love porn. Which is cool, you keep doing that… but I want you to know that loving porn makes you .

Niko

On May 6, 2011 at 8:33 am

Can’t believe so much stupidity surrounding this issue, this article fails hard, obviously looking for hits, Ps3 fanboys, stop acting like this it’s getting rabid. Sony have ed up, you can’t defend a shoddy practice, Hacking happens all the time, PSN will probably never be hacked again because of this so chill please…
as for the rabid Xbox fanboys, I have never encountered quite so deable a persona, always trying to bait the other side lol stop defending an obsolete system for sake, LA NOIR on 3 ing discs???? its time microsoft made a new system, you’re living in the past… Morons all of ye’s

ProWilt

On May 6, 2011 at 11:40 am

For point one, the bottom line is it can happen to any company, all operating systems are complex and you will always be able to find flaws. However that doesn’t mean a company should be lacks in their security. Security systems should be much more intricate than Sony’s was for as many users as they cater to, for one they should of had much more encryption but that is neither here nor there.

Hacking contrary to what the movies show takes time and effort, and of course has real world repercussions so most people don’t do hacks to this extent hastily, unless a company does something really arrogant and imprudent to get hackers attention, and Sony did, which regardless of who hacked them is the reason they were hacked.

@EKhatch I too own both a PS3 and 360 and can tell you the system makes little difference, XBox live was down for multiple days as well as being unstable and almost unplayable when it was up, for over a week back in December 2007 and that was not due to being hacked it was just “crap going wrong”, so just because you pay for a service does not mean it’s better or worse. There is no way to know whether it would be easier or harder to hack Microsoft because Sony’s service is free, however hopefully both companies (especially Sony) learned some lessons and have improved their security and more importantly learned not to throw their weight around unnecessarily because they aren’t the only ones who can.

Philmeister

On May 6, 2011 at 3:21 pm

WTF are you trying to achieve with this story.

It’s pure flamebait.

mjc

On May 6, 2011 at 10:50 pm

*standing ovation*

Well done man. It’s a shame that so many of those crazy fanboys will just point at you and say “YOU ARE A 360 FANBOY SHUT UP!” rather than take a step back and think that maybe their precious Sony isn’t perfect and blameless after all.

And now I’m probably going to get called a 360 fanboy too for agreeing with the article. ****ing gamers indeed.

mjc

On May 6, 2011 at 10:53 pm

@Otakulad: Except as Sony made very, VERY clear when suing GeoHot, their US office is based in California. Thus, one would logically think that New Jersey, Maryland, and New Hampshire laws don’t apply to them as much as they would companies based in those states.

Mentos

On May 7, 2011 at 4:47 am

Xbox fanboy detected! The only reason Sony fans have gotten so “zealous” is because of the relentless they have to defend themselves from Xbox fanboys like yourself, who cant be happy with the system they already own and feel the need to go out of their way and bash the alternatives in order to justify their purchase to themselves.

TLDR: Yes Sony ed up big time, but your not helping the situation in any way by expressing your Xbox fanboyism and kicking them while theyre down

big merk

On May 7, 2011 at 6:40 am

i can practically smell the cheetos and ball sweat from here… good gods what a treasure trove of nerd rage. the virgins have stormed the castle walls and this is more smash bros. than elder scrolls.
i own all three systems.. i’ve been gaming for 27 years, and i ing hate gamers. you people and your sopping bleeding s are ing ridiculous.
i don’t even go online because you people are so deable. read back over this horse. this absolute BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!, and tell me that it isn’t ridiculous. sony ed up, BIG, has nothing to do with the quality of the games on their console, or any other, “though i got many lulz from la noire being on 3 discs…really???” i prefer my ps3 to my xbox and wii but i’ll be ed if i’m going to defend it like it’s my ing wife. now, you go be mad and i’m going to go back to donkey kong country where there aren’t so many s.

big merk

On May 7, 2011 at 6:45 am

y’know the old adage about how only poseurs call people posers?

i’ll give each of you a shiny new rupee if you’ll stop saying “fanboy”. obvious fanboy is…eh

big merk

On May 7, 2011 at 6:57 am

lastly, let me just say to my catholic friend up there somewhere that you can take your voodoo elsewhere, godboy.

it just isn’t the place man.. this is a time of crisis. sony…sony dun raped my baby daughter wit a broken bottle. now how will i hook up with lilmikey92 to teabag some n00bz today??????????

Artanis

On May 7, 2011 at 11:31 pm

i just hope it doesn’t reflect badly on ALL gamers. Not all of us are fanboys, some of us just play for fun and openly criticize companies for their greed and mess-ups. Seriously, not all of us are 10 year olds (or intellectual equivalents). Sony has made one of the biggest mess up of game history and shall be punished and/or sued for this security lapse. If we let it go unpunished then chances of similar occurrences in future will only increase.

NFMZ1

On May 8, 2011 at 6:26 am

We can blame em all we want. I just want it fixed. As for the articles analogy that Sony somehow where dumbasses and got hacked is a horrible example of overblame.

Governments get hacked all the time and they have some of the BEST defensive programmers out there. Maybe Sony was trying to add another service that in THEIR bad programming allowed the Sony service be exploited. Which I don’t see anyone talking about. If it was a 3rd parties software that got Sony hacked then BLAME the 3rd party.

Also your Steam analogy is horrible or did we forget the HL2 leak that rocked Valve? And who says someone in the future WON’T hack Steam? And who says they aren’t working on it now? Also I would consider Steam hacked with all the hacked games via their ty VAC security which is a bigger joke than Sony’s and the fact daily THROUGH their OWN interface people have their accounts stolen.

XBOX and Microsoft are far from being immune as well. Xbox went down for how long? like 15 days right? Also if you wanna talk security lets not discuss Windows as a whole or the fact that their next Operating system.. Windows 8, can already be downloaded from a million sites. So much for internal security there huh? Anyways I am unhappy with the Sony debacle but if it makes Sony that much better in the future I will be ok with the serice being offline til it is right.

Jakob

On May 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm

How come the only ones truly trying to counter this article are just capsing he is an Xboy?

Christopher

On May 9, 2011 at 5:20 pm

1. Experienced hackers can perform major heists like this they just have chosen not to. This is the first time something this big has happened for any modern console. Even the F.B.I. has been hacked before.
2. Companies who have their together? Alright gas companies? Why are credit cards stolen at gas stations? I mean they make over 1 billion a year why aren’t they prepared?
3. It is implied to blame the hackers… How can you blame Sony for something they could not predict. They were more focused on their stocks and sales they are a business that is not easy to control, they can’t protect their company from literally every direction they focused on a bigger more plausible issue of stocks and sales failure.
4. Agree with you on that one.
5. Sony wasn’t the guy who left the key they were the Dad seeing that is THEIR house that got robbed.Sony did not leave the house unlocked they left it unprepared which is a MAJOR difference.
6. This is just a irrelevant hypothetical situation that doesn’t help prove your point and that only incompetent people would consider intelligent.

JGF

On May 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm

yeah, Jim i mean obviously no one gets their credit information stolen anywhere else… i mean my dad didnt have that happen…oh wait. he did. It happens every day of the year

Just because this came in such with such a large effect doesnt make it anymore SONY’s fault, im fairly certain they aren’t the ones breaking the law, and yeah that means alot

Bottom line, the people at fault aren’t the victim, thats like saying a family killed by an axe murderer deserved it because they didn’t lock their doors, its called ing decency.

Maybe that decency to not take what isn’t yours means nothing in the modern world, but that doesn’t make the person who expected such to be in the wrong. Stupid arguments for either side are STUPID nonetheless.

Your arguments are just that, stupid, fanboys do need to shut up, and pointing out flaws with another system lead no where, why the hell would i a PS3 owner be pissed with sony?

last time i checked they offer me free online gaming, and instead of letting this issue spread by allowing people onto the network, the nipped it in the bud and shut down their network, so they could DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.

Oh,and last time i checked, the US government wasn’t blamed for the wiki leaks, or did we forget Julian Assange? see how calm we PS3 owners can be?

Hey

On May 12, 2011 at 6:52 pm

GUYS GUYS CALM DOWN. first off the fact that it was UNPROTECTED is cause for alarm, and that their trying to shoo it away like a hobo isn’t good either. please calm down. X-box had its down for 2 weeks, but umm well was all its consumer info taken? no. pleaseeee stop, hes making valid arguments, although Jim I’d be a little bit less biased next time.. btw youre right, whoever posted that comment saying people will just go back to PSN and this whole thing will be forgotten. but cmon its a free service of course they didn’t have the best protection…how much money do you REALLY think they make off of TV’s and computer monitors? and their add-ons are relatively non-existent, whereas Microsoft has made this one of their biggest industries of the 360 itself. honestly 60$ a year is not a bad price…only like 4$ a month, a lil more than that.. Im a bit of an Xbox Fanboy but like nobody had a 360 at the time that the downage happened. this is 77 million users! theyre screwing everyone over and now theyre using this time to make UPDATES TO PSN… not even alarmed at this, just improving PSN.
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Theo667

On May 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm

Jim, I too am offended at the Catholic comment. That was a low blow and a total move. Just because it has happened before once or twice doesn’t mean that that’s how all Catholics are. You’re an asshat for that; therefor, any further comment except for an apology will be blatantly ignored. Now get your atheist ass off of the internet.

Anonymous

On May 14, 2011 at 2:18 am

We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.

max

On May 14, 2011 at 6:59 am

microsoft aint jalous of sony dumb kid they have the Computers, Sony are jalous of microsoft .

RicochetSaw

On May 14, 2011 at 11:19 am

“Everything can be hacked, Internet security is bad everywhere, this could happen to anyone:”
this is true, as any locksmith, lock picker, hacker, or security specialist knows.

“Your credit card is at risk wherever you go”
ok… first off… above i basically said nothing is secure… so refer to above.

“Why is nobody blaming the hackers?”
no one has taken responsibility, anonymous has claimed to have nothing to do with it, despite the file left over on the server

“PSN’s defenses were and Sony is bad, it deserved to get hacked”
uh yeah, they were using an outdated version of apache (with known backdoors and exploits)

“You wouldn’t blame your dad if his house got robbed”
i agree with the counter argument, sony is to blame, they were using outdated software

@Theo667
um… 667? and you telling atheists (who are the majority of internet trolls) to get off the internet? xD 4 reals though, your comment made me lol :D

anon

On May 14, 2011 at 10:58 pm

rofl consoles

lulpo

On May 15, 2011 at 10:25 am

Xbox Live never went down in 2007 ing retard. There were times when servers were backed up for the huge increase in players, but it wasnt shut off completely like psn. Go die in a fire

getoutthaway

On May 15, 2011 at 4:09 pm

I nominate this article as the Dumbest argument surrounding the PSN downtime controversy

The Internet

On May 16, 2011 at 9:13 pm

I think I speak for everyone here when I point out that acting like a douche lends absolutely zero credibility to your argument whatsoever.

Moving on, the only argument I have issue with is the one that claimed they deserved it. I have heard precious few people say that, and anyone who has was just hating on Sony for the sake of it. The fact of the matter is that “they deserved it” serves more as a statement of carelessness on Sony’s part; if you store sensitive information in a plaintext format, don’t be surprised if it’s stolen. Sony really dropped the ball here, and despite my love for their products, it doesn’t excuse such a massive failure.

It’s times like this that I truly understand the meaning of the addage “You get what you pay for.” I believe a poster above me mentioned the same thing, that the community would be much more outraged if their monthly-paid XBox Live service were hacked.

Jaeson

On May 16, 2011 at 11:09 pm

I feel bad for the people who were signed up for PSN prior to this incident, but the fact that this occurred is the reason I’m getting a PS3 this week. 2 free games =D What better time to buy a PS3?

Clyde

On May 18, 2011 at 8:01 am

I cannot say you anything less than a “bravo”. Your article completely nailed the situation. The truth is that the only thing Sony wants is mo’ money from the devs, mo’ money from the players, and mo’ moneys from everyone, without actually giving to the fanbase.

To all the fanboys, do the true gamers a favor and go Kurt Cobain. Really. Why do I have to feel ashamed to own a PS3? You’re illegitimate sneering punks with no attitude, with no taste, without anything less in your ed up heads than a corrupted and perverse love for Kaz Hirai. And as I own an XBOX 360 too, I feel entitled to suggest any Microsoft fanboy ’round here to get shot in the head too, for the aforementioned reason.

Vardayn

On May 18, 2011 at 10:19 am

Nailed. I love these articles.. with Uncommon Sense.

Ezra

On May 21, 2011 at 12:19 am

You shouldn’t even compare XBOX Live to the PSN Network, so we pay for XBOX Live but you know there is this old saying, you get for what you pay for, and on Xbox Live, you get a hell of a lot more than on the PSN Network.

You can wine and complain and say whatever you want to. However to try and say Microsoft is bull for charging people to use XBOX Live Gold. Hey you get what you pay for, and if you want to be the cheap and not cough up 50 – 60 a year then thats you. World of Warcrack is $15+ so what the hell are people complaining about?

I would rather pay for XBOX Live Gold, then run around as an elf all day in circles doing mindlessness, and quests that achieve nothing, so I can buy armor that is going to need to be replaced the next day just so I can do the same thing all over again.

Its a loop system Blizzard created and designed to enslave Mankind, and subliminally plant code inside their brains so that in the year 2014 when the secret “patch” comes out and your screen flashes several times everyone that is playing World of Warcraft will rise and then take over the planet and Blizzard shall then rule the world in all its glory.

13 Million people online. One hell of a way to own the world.

I love XBOX Live, and the people that pay for it love it too, hell the athletes in the NFL, MLB, NHL, when interviewed 95% of em say they prefer XBOX Live over PSN, think im exaggerating? I’m not.

It’d just better. XBOX Live only DLC, or XBOX LIVE Arcade games that come out one year later on the PSN Network.

So many Arcade games available for LIVE are not available on PSN, to say PSN is better because its free is laughable.

Mikey

On May 24, 2011 at 3:55 pm

These arguments are mostly all ad hominem and as such, should not be considered.

hahahaha

On May 31, 2011 at 12:42 am

All I see in retaliation to this article is “u r a dumb xbox fanboys.” All you’re doing is making it obvious that you’re PS3 fanboys. They didn’t encrypt their data. Sony is at fault. Deal with it. And disagreeing with your “logic” does not make anyone an xbox fanboys.

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