EA Games has released what everyone assumed “hoped” would be the last true expansion pack for the Sims 2 series before Sims 3, Bon Voyage. Sure, there will be more Stuff Packs but this is the last time gameplay will be effected. This new expansion introduces vacations into the game, similar to the original Sims series Vacation expansion.
Whisk your Sims away from their everyday routines and take them on exciting trips to three exotic locations! Whether relaxing on a lush tropical island in a luxury suite, camping with the family on a pristine mountaintop, or exploring the culture of the Far East, your Sims will enjoy new activities to relax and rejuvenate them. Send your Sims packing for the trip of a lifetime!
The Sims 2 series has paralleled every Sims expansion pack put out accept for Making Magic. EA claims this will be the last true expansion pack, but will they actually skip the chance to bring Magic to the Sims 2? There are tons of magic and supernatural oriented game mods and skins out on the internet. It would surprise me if EA fails to cash in on this trend, especially with the popularity of magic in movies and literature.
UPDATE: Apparently EA has seen the potential to make more money off the Sims 2 series before they release the next generation of The Sims games. Bon Voyage came out with a notice of another expansion pack for Sims 2; Hobbies. There may be hope for a magical expansion pack after all, if magic isn’t including with Hobbies.
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage details are listed after the break.
The Sims 2 Bon Voyage Features:
- Travel to Three Dream Destinations-Each location offers unique landscapes and local residents, such as the Fire Dancer and Ninja, for your Sims to meet and learn from. Try local cuisine and admire cultural landmarks as your Sims explore these new locales.
- Send Your Sims on Tours-Glass bottom boat rides, adventurous van tours, and other excursions are fun new activities for your Sims, but there may be some surprises in store!
- Buy or Find Unique Items-Shop for unique objects found only on your Sims’ travels, including rare jewelry they can wear or take home as gifts. Stumble upon hidden locations, collect shells on the beach, or dig up treasure.
- Stay at New Travel Accommodations-Splurge on the luxury suite for your Sims or save Simoleons and choose a more cozy lodging. Your Sims will enjoy the comfort of room service, get pampered at the spa, and more.
via Press Release
173 Comments to The Last True Sims 2 Expansion is out: Bon Voyage
by: Chrisy
On September 13, 2007 at 3:15 pm
There’s a few errors in this article….
First of all there was a leaflet in Bon Voyage stating the next Expansion Pack (EP) will be Hobbies. Therefore, Bon Voyage is NOT the last one.
Second, there actually was another EP from the Sims 1 that didn’t make it in besides Magic, which is Superstar.
by: Shawn Sines
On September 13, 2007 at 4:37 pm
@Chrisy
I’m pleasantly surprised to find out I’m in error. Although The Sims 2 is not really my game, my wife and kids love it. I haven’t picked up Bon Voyage yet and all the press I’d read indicated it would be the last.
As for Superstar, some aspects of that expansion were supposedly worked into the H&M Fashion Stuff although it was a very disappointing release in my household. Thanks for the heads up.
by: clint
On September 17, 2007 at 3:25 pm
by: Michelle
On September 19, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Well H&M wasn’t an expansion pack, it just a stuff pack. Basically it just added a clothes and some objects, not real gameplay except the catwalk which was the ONLY aspect from superstar that was worked into H&M , even then it’s not really the same. (I’ve been playing sims since the original Sims came out)
There was much much more gameplay involved with Superstar. Fame, stalkers, being a model, recording artist or actress/actor (and actually having to to said tasks well in order to get to the next level of fame). All that being said, I didn’t like Superstar and am glad Maxis/EA skipped it.
None of the press I’ve seen even before Bon Voyage came out that it would be the last EP, in fact most I’ve read indicates that there were to be 7 EPs,
Bon Voyage is #6.
by: Shawn Sines
On September 19, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Michelle: I guess with all the Stuff packs, expansions and everything I miscounted or assumed(maybe even hoped secretly) Bon Voyage was 7. However I know we have the Teen Stuff pack coming up with all the high school stereotypes in it..
by: Rezzy
On September 21, 2007 at 12:13 am
sorry 4 da people that can’t count but Bon voyage is the 5th ep so there are more eps coming out
by: Alex
On September 22, 2007 at 6:23 am
um…rezzy?
and everyone, i guess:
Bon Voyage was the 6th, 7 ep’s are being released not including Stuff packs
The order was:
1. University
2. Nightlife
3. Open for Buisness
4. Pets
5. Seasons
6. Bon Voyage
7. *Hobbies* (unsure of the proper name as of yet)
and i’m pretty sure that these will be all the Sims 2 expansion packs, there is however going to be a Sims 3 some time in the future
So Rezzy was partly right, there is another major ep coming out
by: JJ
On September 23, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Hey you know what would be great? If EA would just incorperate all of of the major gameplay aspects of the eps (i.e. things like having pets, a downtown, weather, college, ect.)into Sims 3. I mean don’t get me wrong, I am a die hard Sims fan, but paying for almost the same eps 3 times for the different gens of the game is a little ridiculous. Alhtough I have to admit the people at EA are freaking geniuses, because I may not like it, but I’ll probably end up buying the Sims 3 expansions anyway.
by: Em
On September 26, 2007 at 8:03 am
What if they are leaving Making Magic for the sims 3? I mean, why not? Computer game play and graphics have improved over the last few years since the start of sims 2; and the way that sims 2 is done, it kinda seems like Magic would be an awkward fit in.
Just a thought n_n
by: Bishyboo
On September 26, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Id love it if they brought out The Sims 2 Superstar or Makin Magic but even if they dont it will give you a reason to play sims 1 again.
That way both the series are unique!!
by: Allie
On September 29, 2007 at 1:11 pm
If there IS gonna be a sims 3, how will it be any different from the sims 2? the sims 2 is pretty great as it is, with awesome graphics and stuff. someone tell me- wut will be new? i mean, graphics? i doubt they will pull it off.
by: Blake
On October 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm
I agree with JJ. Things like Weather, Pets, College, and the entire Nightlife expansion ought to come with the core Sims 3. Some of the things I’ve been hoping they would change are: Ability to put things on/against angled walls, raising children could be slightly different, more careers, fix the thing where you need a ton of friends and then all you do is get 9000 phone calls, different body types/degrees of fatness, different voices, more clothes (the new expansions have done a pretty good job with that). Most of the things that I have thought of have to do with build mode and create-a-sim, so you can try to make houses/people true to life. Any other Ideas?
by: Blake
On October 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm
i was just snooping around looking for info on the future sims 2 expansion. Wal-Mart already has it for sale on Pre-Order. Its called “sims 2: Hobbies” and it says “should ship on 2/12/08″
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7789029
check it out
by: Rachel
On October 5, 2007 at 2:35 am
I agree with many of the people above who say they should just put all the stuff from the Sims 2 EP’s into the one Sims 3 game but i dont think that will happen. Remember EA/Maxis is a bussiness and i know they make these for peoples enjoyment but they also are doing this to make money. Just think of how much money they are making off Sims2 right now. I know that myself and all my friends play the Sims 2, multiply that by like more then a million people and just imagine how much money they get!
I think they will do the same as the last sims programs and have EP’s bit of a bummer for people like us but if your a dedicated fan i know you will find the money for it.
by: Rachel
On October 6, 2007 at 5:41 am
I just read what blake said sbout how they should improve on things such as different body types/degrees of fatness, different voices, more clothes and i totally agree. I have to say i get very annoyed when playing the Sims and all my sims look the same. There all the same height, weight, same vioce. Its like the whole community is a clone of each other.
It would be awesome if they could change things like height, body shapes, vioces and if they did what they did in the Sims Bustin Out for PS2 and make it so that yu can change the colour of different items of clothing and hair. That was one thing, actually the only thing i liked about Bustin Out. when i say change the colour i mean they had like a colour bar so you had many differnet shades of each colour.
I sure do hope someone from EA/Maxis reads this discussion because everyone has contributed some very good ideas and improvements for the Sims and future Sims games.
Happy Simming Fellow Gamers
by: Danica
On October 7, 2007 at 3:11 pm
For everybody who thinks that Hobbies is last expansion pack, it actually isn’t. Hobbies is going to be another stuff pack, along with Teen Style. The very last expansion pack is Castaway, which will be released for both Sims 2 and Sims 2 Life Stories.
by: Ariella
On October 7, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Why would Castaway be the last? It doesn’t fit in with the whole “neighborhood” setting and would veer from the core of The Sims series. I think that will only be a Life Stories game–it just doesn’t fit with the regular EPs. I think Magic would be a very cool addition for TS 2! And werewolves that don’t look ridiculous…>_>; I’m surprised they pulled off sexy vampires.
But if/when Sims 3 comes out, what will the requirements be? I just bought a new video card and I certainly won’t be able to get another anytime soon, and my comp is about four years old. With the way technology advances I hope it won’t be too high-end for my computer to run.
As for mashing everything together into on Sims 3…
First off, it’d be an ENORMOUS file and you’d get a billion discs, and second, there wouldn’t nbe nearly as much money made off it compared to TS 1 and 2. Dividing all of the EPs are a much smarter way of marketing and making bookoo bucks. It’s be like…Sims 3. Here it is. That’s all. I wouldn’t even like that, even if it does sound neat on the outside.
Just my opinions and such. Have fun siming!
by: blacke
On October 8, 2007 at 4:25 am
by: blacke
On October 8, 2007 at 4:26 am
by: Blake
On October 8, 2007 at 9:40 am
Hobbies is NOT a stuff pack.
Quote from Bon Voyage insert: “Lastest The Sims 2 Expansion Pack: now your sims can enjoy hobbies! Your Sims will have fun taking up a variety of creative, intellectual, or active leisure-time pursuits. They can even meet sims that share their interests and expand their social relationships. Develop your sims’ skills while they pursue their true pastime passions. Will your sims stumble reaching for new goals or find a new sense of fulfillment? Coming Spring 2008!”
That doesn’t sound like a stuff pack to me.
Also along the lines of adding many of the Sims 2 EP’s into the TS3 would be a good marketing tool in my mind. I personally don’t want to fork out 200-300 for the same old EP’s that I got with sims 1&2. Pets was hardly good enough to be a stand-alone EP for TS2 and Weather (seasons) should obviously come with the core game of sims3. If they want me (the average buyer) to buy their new version of the sims, it better not be as much of a dropoff as the sims2 was after all the EP’s in sims1.
Areilla thinks that it would take up too much room to put all those into 1 game? What do you think takes up more room: a base game with 7 additional expansions (all with their own install programs, and tons of duplicate old files to replace the originals) or have all that stuff pre-integrated? Not to mention TS3 will surely be released on DVD (4.7 gigs) vs CD (750 megs). I don’t picture storage being a problem. EP’s are more of a drain on system resources than a fully integrated game.
I agree- EP’s a smart marketing device. I’ll be the first one to admit it. HOWEVER they need new ideas, not just reselling their same old thing on a new engine.
by: Brigitte
On October 9, 2007 at 12:23 pm
I think they should just develop patches for the Sims 2 for the height/weight/voice/body type things, they all really annoy me so much but they would work so well on the Sims 2. I love the game so much and it’s brilliant as it is and I wouldn’t want to go out and by another umpteen amount of EPs and stuff packs unless it was REALLY good, and I don’t think it could get much better. It feels to soon to get another Sims game out and Maxis are clever people so hopefully they’ll be able to make the Sims 2 even better!
by: Avery
On October 10, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Does anyone know about s Sims game coming out for the Xbox 360? please email me at saggolfer@aol.com with the answer. -Thanks
by: Nippy778
On October 20, 2007 at 6:44 am
NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
like that wouldn’t there are *6* eps and in the last ep they will probobly merge superstar and makin magic together I dont have sims 1 but it sounds pritty cool!!
by: George
On October 22, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I wouldn’t say hobbies is a stuff pack. I’d say it was an expansion pack. Also Sims 2 Castaway is going to be a Sims Stories thing
by: Avnar
On October 25, 2007 at 2:52 am
I think that hobbies is NOT last ep. I think supestar can appear like last ep.
Sims 2 too popular to stop doing new eps now!!! But I thinking that magic is going to appear in Sims 3!!!
by: random person
On October 26, 2007 at 5:39 pm
wat does evry1 fink the hobbies creature will be i fink they could have more than one coz hobbies opens up lots of options like magic is a hobbies i guess fame could be a hobbie but if this is gunna be the last ep then they could put evryfink in it…
by: george
On October 26, 2007 at 10:33 pm
random person, you are an idiot. It is okay to talk/type like a normal person. People might actually take you seriously rather than think you’re a moron.
by: MAG Fry
On October 27, 2007 at 1:21 pm
What is he on there is still one expasion pack comming out in Spring. It’s to do with Hobbies
by: priest aries
On October 28, 2007 at 1:59 am
i think Nippy778 is right i can see thim adding magic into the game as a hobbie, hell i can see thim adding some tech things alog with it just so that thay dont use the same name agine, (making magic) cuz after all, we not like the ideal of buying somthing more than one’s..
as for sims 3 im thinking there going to do alittle more with it too keep the fans happy..such as making the graphics very very good and i meen doom 3 good or add some things form the sims 2 EPs and up the graphics just so it seems like a new game…or somthing aloge thowes lines
by: John
On October 28, 2007 at 10:44 am
Random person you are right they should put everythink into this ep as for the creature i am hoping for witches and warlocks or devils and angels something along that route
by: Dave
On October 28, 2007 at 12:49 pm
I heard somewhere that:
“COMPLETE your Sims 2 Collection…” And then mentioning “Hobbies” implying that Hobbies is the last one. And Danica, you’re dumb. Castaway is a Sims Stories one and also for console that’s it – NOT AN EP MORON!
Oh and Rezzy, YOU are the one that can’t count! YOU said: “sorry 4 da people that can’t count but Bon voyage is the 5th ep so there are more eps coming out” Bon Voyage is the 6th EP!!! Duh!
By the way Ariella, I’m worried about my laptop not being able to play Sims 3. It only has 512mb! And I have all the Sims 2 EP’s! (And Sims 1 Complete Collection) And my laptop is really slow! Sims 3 will kill my laptop!!!
by: Dave
On October 28, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Oh yeah I just remembered! Does anyone know anything about SPORE? I really want it but they keep moving the release date!
by: weclock
On October 28, 2007 at 1:12 pm
@ Dave
There’s no reason to insult people because they made a mistake.
by: Avery
On October 28, 2007 at 2:21 pm
ok, please help me out people. Does anyone know if there will be ANY Sims games/EP for the Xbox360
and I cant wait for the sims2 hobbies, also theres pictures of the supossid “sims3″ on google but i think the screen shots are fake b/c it is far to early for EA/Maxis to be releasing the sims3 info.
by: weclock
On October 28, 2007 at 2:22 pm
No, there will not.
by: okay
On October 29, 2007 at 6:46 pm
I wonder what will be in the sims hobbies?
Please leave an answer
by: John
On October 30, 2007 at 1:59 pm
in hobbies probably sport an chemistry set an erm… don’t know what else but i don’t think there will be another chooser like downtown or bluewater village because how would that work for the theme wouldn’t it be good if they put more animals in like hippos an rhinos
by: Millie
On October 31, 2007 at 11:28 am
by: george
On October 31, 2007 at 12:13 pm
insightful post millie…..
by: harrison
On November 1, 2007 at 4:00 pm
superstar and magic would be a big mistake, thats like taking a good series into an average series that only goths would buy. i personally dont like all that magic and gothic stuff but the vampires i do like. sims 3 is set to be released 2009 along with a film kalled the sims…
by: annabelle
On November 2, 2007 at 12:55 pm
I don’t think that a magic expansion pack would be something that only “goths” would buy. I’m not goth or anything but Makin Magic was my favorite EP for sims 1, and I would love it if they had it for sims 2. Although I think that Hobbies seem stupid, I dont think I’ll buy it.. I barely have any space left on my comp. anyway
by: John
On November 3, 2007 at 11:07 am
Well said Annabelle!
by: Tim
On November 4, 2007 at 11:52 am
Wow, I had no idea that people could really not figure out exactly what is said on the official Sims 2 site. Castaway is a Sims Stories game, completely seperate from the Sims 2 games and expansion packs. Stuff packs are also seperate, although unlike Sims Stories, they require the original Sims 2 to play them. I haven’t yet had the chance to buy Bon Voyage yet, but it says all over the internet that inside it was a notification about Sims 2 Hobbies. This will almost positively be the final Sims 2 Expansion Pack, unless EA decides that there is still money to be made in the Sims 2 Franchise. If not, that will be it for Sims 2 and hopefully Sims 3 is well on the way.
by: weclock
On November 4, 2007 at 11:54 am
i think it’s too soon for sims 3, how long did we have sims one before 2 came a long?
by: george
On November 4, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Tim- How are the sims 2 stuff packs separeate from the Sims 2 or its expansions if they require sims 2 to play them? They are totally 100 percent as much a part of the sims 2 as the expansions are. Do I have to draw a diagram for people?
Sims Franchise
/ / | \ \
Sims1 TS Online sims2 sims stories My Sims
Livin Large / \ \
House Party Expansion Stuff \
Hot Date / \ Life Stories
Vacation University Holiday Party Pet Stories
Unleashed Nightlife Family Fun Castaway Stories
Superstar OFB Glamour Life
Makin Magic Pets Happy Holiday
Seasons Celebration
Bon Voyage H&M Fashion
Hobbies Teen Style
by: george
On November 4, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Well that worked poorly.
THE SIMS FRANCHISE
*Sims 1* – Livin Large, House Party, Hot Date, Vacation, Unleashed, Superstar, Makin Magic
*Sims Online*
*Sims 2* -:Expansions:- University, Nightlife, OFB, Pets, Seasons, Bon Voyage, Hobbies -:Stuff Packs:- Holiday Party, Family Fun, Glamour Life, Happy Holiday, Celebration, H&M Fashion, Teen Style
*Sims Stories* Life Stories, Pet Stories, Castaway Stories – These are geared towards laptops – much like console versions of sims 2
*My Sims* – These are exclusively for console play
by: george
On November 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm
by: ashmep
On November 6, 2007 at 3:28 pm
this will not be the last expansion becuase if it was you would of heard more about sims3 which is still in the making and i can’t find anything on it other than it might be released in late 2009 or early 2010 but thats not even for sure, but they wouldn’t go a yr and a half between the releases,
by: Simman
On November 6, 2007 at 9:09 pm
I was really hoping that the 7th expansion pack would be a Magic one. It would be nice to see our Sims practicing magic on each other. I have University, Deluxe, SEasons and Bon Voyage. I want Pets and I think that Magic would go along great with them. Quick question:
If I install Open For Business, can I install Nightlife after it? Or do I have to uninstall OFB and then install Nightlife?
by: george
On November 6, 2007 at 11:32 pm
it doesn’t matter what order you install them in. Otherwise you would have to buy them in the exact order they came out. That would be such a pain in the arse. meh… magic. It could be a hobby, we’ve already talked about that i think.
by: Katelyn
On November 7, 2007 at 10:11 pm
I know a friend that knows the sims creators email address! Maybe they will come out with a makin magic or superstar. She asked the guy if he can do an expansion pack about hobbies and he said they will work on making that expansion pack.
by: sadie
On November 11, 2007 at 2:04 pm
is castaway for your computer too?
by: k1ty1
On November 18, 2007 at 4:37 am
At the beginning of the sims 2 EA said that there will only be 7 expansion packs as there was in the sims and the sims 3 is said to be released late 2008 or early 2009
by: Cosmic999
On November 18, 2007 at 3:54 pm
I dont think The sims3 will come out in 2008/09 because by now they would at least give us one screenshot of it and they will probably delay it. I wish the next EP would be something like The sims2: Crime and Punishment where your sims could commit murders and there would be detectives looking for clues and maybe if they made an EP like this they would be able to conclude an ending to the Bella Goth mystery instead of all the speculating. But hobbies eems cool
by: p
On November 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm
my bon voyage wont work
by: Tim
On November 20, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Yes, the Stuff packs are a part of the Sims Franchise, but they are not Expansion packs. Although they both require the original Sims 2 game, they are not the same as Expansion packs. Sorry it took me so long to get back. And as for it being too soon for Sims 3, EA reported that there would be seven expansion packs for the Sims 2. Unless they make a sudden change in their plans, that means that there is only one expansion pack left for Sims 2. And as to the diagram up there, the Stuff packs actually did not come out at the same time as each expansion pack.
by: george
On November 20, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Tim… You’re not as smart as you think you are. The diagram isn’t meant to imply the exact time each game/expansion was released. It is a relative model. Get a clue. You were saying that they were separate and that is totally wrong. Shut up if you don’t know what you’re talking about. “the sims 2 stuff packs are not really part of the sims 2 derrrr”
by: Chrisy
On November 20, 2007 at 6:51 pm
I agree with George. Know what you’re talking about before you type it up. You said Castaway as well as Stuff packs were completely separate from the Sims 2 games and expansion packs. If it requires the Sims 2 base game (which stuff packs do), then there’s nothing separate about it.
EA didn’t “report” anything, the only time they said that 7 EPs were being done was in a chat before the game even game out, things change, it’s not set in stone. Really, learn how to read a simple diagram.
by: george
On November 20, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Thanks chrisy.
by: someone who hates george
On November 21, 2007 at 12:56 pm
george you are so full of yourself anyone else agree
by: george
On November 21, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Someone who hates george -
I am definately not full of myself. I just can’t stand morons who think they know something, but prove regularly that they really know nothing.
Grow up. I wasn’t begging for someone to agree with me like you are. Classy. Obviously Chrisy is on board with wishing people who posted on here actually knew what they were talking about, not just typing BS that they think they know. It doesn’t exactly take a brain surgeon to be able to do a little research and stop speculating. Nobody knows anything that EA hasn’t come out and said, the rest is just a bunch of people presenting opinions as facts. You’re probably just Tim and you feel defeated, but its okay… just stop being stupid and I’ll be nice.
by: Chrisy
On November 21, 2007 at 3:02 pm
No problem, George. I feel the exact same way you do!
@someone who hates george: Are you kidding me? Seems like the only one that’s full of themselves is you. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actually Tim just mad because you were wrong. How sad are you to ask if anyone agrees with you? That’s pathetic. Obviously you need that reassurance.
by: Han
On November 23, 2007 at 9:21 am
I have heard that there is going to be something like the sims 2 on stage comming out is it ture?
coz if it is then its gonna be like the sims superstar and it will be great!!!!!
by: Fizzly
On November 23, 2007 at 12:52 pm
by: Tim
On November 24, 2007 at 1:38 pm
I swear to God george, I am not someone who hates george. I promise you that. I’m not that much of a dick that I’d get pissed off at some person on the internet enough to do that. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong and if I’m right I’m right, it doesn’t matter enough to me to do that. Sorry if I did sound like a douche earlier though.
by: Tim
On November 24, 2007 at 1:42 pm
and to chrisy-
once again im not someone who hates george but i totally agree with you that its pretty sorry to go on to this write shit about someone and ask if someone else agrees with you.
so to someone who hates george-
shut up.
by: george
On November 24, 2007 at 1:47 pm
well tim, if it wasn’t you i appologize.
someone who hates george is just trying to start crap.
what a lowlife
by: anonymous
On November 24, 2007 at 2:07 pm
it was me i dont actually hate goerge i just like to shit stir HAHA
by: george
On November 24, 2007 at 2:48 pm
i eat poo. the sims 2 eats poo. the sims 3 will eat poo. spore will eat poo. the sims 1 eats poo. my poo has sweetcorn in it. i like poo. do you?
by: george
On November 24, 2007 at 2:50 pm
you’re an idiot… you’re not me douchebag
by: wikipedia forever
On November 24, 2007 at 3:29 pm
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A wiki enables documents to be written collaboratively, in a simple markup language using a web browser. A single page in a wiki is referred to as a “wiki page”, while the entire body of pages, which are usually highly interconnected via hyperlinks, is “the wiki”. A wiki is essentially a database for creating, browsing and searching information.
A defining characteristic of wiki technology is the ease with which pages can be created and updated. Generally, there is no review before modifications are accepted. Many wikis are open to the general public without the need to register any user account. Sometimes session log-in is requested to acquire a “wiki-signature” cookie for autosigning edits. Many edits, however, can be made in real-time, and appear almost instantaneously online. This can lead to abuse of the system. Private wiki servers require user authentication to edit, sometimes even to read pages.
Editing wiki pages
Traditionally content structure and formatting on wikis is implemented with a simplified markup language, sometimes known as “wikitext”. For example, starting a line of text with an asterisk (“*”) is often used to code an item in a bulleted list. Style and syntax of wikitexts can vary a great deal among wiki implementations, some of which also allow HTML tags.
The reasoning behind this design is that HTML, with its many cryptic tags, is not especially human-readable. The actual text content is hard to read within HTML, making it difficult to edit. Wikis therefore favour plain-text editing with a few simple conventions of wikitext for structure and style.
MediaWiki syntax Equivalent HTML Rendered output
“Take some more tea,” the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.
“I’ve had nothing yet,” Alice replied in an offended tone: “so I can’t take more.”
“You mean you can’t take ”less”,” said the Hatter: “it’s very easy to take ”more” than nothing.” “Take some more tea,” the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.
“I’ve had nothing yet,” Alice replied in an offended tone: “so I can’t take more.”
“You mean you can’t take less,” said the Hatter: “it’s very easy to take more than nothing.”
“Take some more tea,” the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.
“I’ve had nothing yet,” Alice replied in an offended tone: “so I can’t take more.”
“You mean you can’t take less,” said the Hatter: “it’s very easy to take more than nothing.”
(Quotation above from Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll)
Although limiting access to HTML and Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) of wikis limits user ability to alter the structure and formatting of wiki content, there are some benefits. Limited access to CSS promotes consistency in the look and feel and having JavaScript disabled prevents a user from implementing code, which may limit access for other users.
Increasingly, wikis are making “WYSIWYG” (“What You See Is What You Get”) editing available to users, usually by means of JavaScript or an ActiveX control that translates graphically entered formatting instructions, such as “bold” and “italics”, into the corresponding HTML tags or wikitext. In those implementations, the markup of a newly edited, marked-up version of the page is generated and submitted to the server transparently, and the user is shielded from this technical detail.
Many implementations (for example MediaWiki) allow users to supply an “edit summary” when they edit a page. This is a short piece of text (usually one line) summarizing the changes. It is not inserted into the article, but is stored along with that revision of the page, allowing users to explain what has been done and why; this is similar to a log message when committing changes to a revision control system.
Most wikis keep a record of changes made to wiki pages; often every version of the page is stored. This means that authors can revert to an older version of the page, should it be necessary because a mistake has been made or the page has been vandalised.
Navigation
Within the text of most pages there are usually a large number of hypertext links to other pages. This form of non-linear navigation is more “native” to wiki than structured/formalized navigation schemes. That said, users can also create any number of index or table of contents pages, with hierarchical categorization or whatever form of organization they like. These may be challenging to maintain by hand, as multiple authors create and delete pages in an ad hoc manner. Wikis generally provide one or more ways to categorize or tag pages, to support the maintenance of such index pages.
Most wikis have a backlink feature, an easy way to see what pages link to the page you’re currently on.
It is typical in a wiki to create links to pages that do not yet exist, as a way to invite others to share what they know about a subject new to the wiki.
Linking and creating pages
Links are created using a specific syntax, the so-called “link pattern” (also see CURIE).
Originally, most wikis used CamelCase to name pages and create links. These are produced by capitalizing words in a phrase and removing the spaces between them (the word “CamelCase” is itself an example). While CamelCase makes linking very easy, it also leads to links which are written in a form that deviates from the standard spelling. CamelCase-based wikis are instantly recognizable because they have many links with names such as “TableOfContents” and “BeginnerQuestions”. It is possible for a wiki to render the visible anchor for such links “pretty” by reinserting spaces, and possibly also reverting to lower case. However, this reprocessing of the link to improve the readability of the anchor is limited by the loss of capitalization information caused by CamelCase reversal. For example, “RichardWagner” should be rendered as “Richard Wagner”, whereas “PopularMusic” should be rendered as “popular music”. There is no easy way to determine which capital letters should remain capitalized. As a result, many wikis now have “free linking” using brackets, and some disable CamelCase by default.
Searching
Most wikis offer at least a title search, and sometimes a full-text search. The scalability of the search depends on whether the wiki engine uses a database. Indexed database access is necessary for high speed searches on large wikis. Alternatively, external search engines such as Google can sometimes be used on wikis with limited searching functions in order to obtain more precise results. However, a search engine’s indexes can be very out of date (days, weeks or months) for many websites.
Trust and security
Controlling changes
History comparison reports highlight the changes between two revisions of a page.Wikis are generally designed with the philosophy of making it easy to correct mistakes, rather than making it difficult to make them. Thus, while wikis are very open, they provide a means to verify the validity of recent additions to the body of pages. The most prominent, on almost every wiki, is the “Recent Changes” page—a specific list numbering recent edits, or a list of all the edits made within a given time frame.[7] Some wikis can filter the list to remove minor edits and edits made by automatic importing scripts (“bots”).[7]
From the change log, other functions are accessible in most wikis: the Revision History showing previous page versions; and the diff feature, highlighting the changes between two revisions. Using the Revision History, an editor can view and restore a previous version of the article. The diff feature can be used to decide whether or not this is necessary. A regular wiki user can view the diff of an edit listed on the “Recent Changes” page and, if it is an unacceptable edit, consult the history, restoring a previous revision; this process is more or less streamlined, depending on the wiki software used.[7]
In case unacceptable edits are missed on the “Recent Changes” page, some wiki engines provide additional content control. It can be monitored to ensure that a page, or a set of pages, keeps its quality. A person willing to maintain pages will be warned of modifications to the pages, allowing him or her to verify the validity of new editions quickly.[7]
Trustworthiness
Critics of open-source wiki systems argue that these systems could be easily tampered with; while proponents argue that the community of users can catch malicious content and correct it.[2] Lars Aronsson, a data systems specialist, summarizes the controversy as follows:
“ Most people, when they first learn about the wiki concept, assume that a website that can be edited by anybody would soon be rendered useless by destructive input. It sounds like offering free spray cans next to a grey concrete wall. The only likely outcome would be ugly graffiti and simple tagging, and many artistic efforts would not be long lived. Still, it seems to work very well.[8] ”
Security
The open philosophy of most wikis, allowing anyone to edit content, does not ensure that all editors are well-meaning. Vandalism can be a major problem[citation needed]. In larger wiki sites, such as those run by the Wikimedia Foundation, vandalism can go unnoticed for a period of time. Wikis by their very nature are susceptible to intentional disruption, known as “trolling”. Wikis tend to take a soft security[9] approach to the problem of vandalism; making damage easy to undo rather than attempting to prevent damage. Larger wikis often employ sophisticated methods, such as bots that automatically identify and revert vandalism and JavaScript enhancements that show how many characters have been added in each edit. In this way vandalism can be limited to just “minor vandalism” or “sneaky vandalism”, where the characters added/eliminated are so few that bots don’t identify them and users don’t pay much attention to them.
The amount of vandalism a wiki receives depends on how open the wiki is. For instance, some wikis allow unregistered users, identified by their IP addresses, to edit content, whilst others limit this function to just registered users. What most wikis do is allow IP editing, but privilege registered users with some extra functions to lend them a hand in editing; on most wikis, becoming a registered user is very simple and can be done in seconds, but detains the user from using the new editing functions until either some time passes, as in the English Wikipedia, where registered users must wait for three days after creating an account in order to gain access to the new tool, or until several constructive edits have been made in order to prove the user’s trustworthiness and usefulness on the system, as in the Portuguese Wikipedia, where users require at least 15 constructive edits before authorization to use the added tools. Basically, “closed up” wikis are more secure and reliable but grow slowly, whilst more open wikis grow at a steady rate but result in being an easy target for vandalism. A clear example of this would be that of Wikipedia and Citizendium. The first is extremely open, allowing anyone with a computer and internet access to edit it, making it grow rapidly, whilst the latter requires the users’ real name and a biography of themselves, affecting the growth of the wiki but creating an almost “vandalism-free” ambiance.
Wiki software architecture
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Nearly all wikis are implemented as server software. However, some have been implemented purely on the client-side using Javascript, and some have been built on top of peer-to-peer networks.
Wiki communities
Many wiki communities are private, particularly within enterprises. They are often used as internal documentation for in-house systems and applications. The “open to everyone”, all-encompassing nature of Wikipedia is a significant factor in its growth, while many other wikis are highly specialized.
There also exist WikiNodes which are pages on wikis that describe related wikis. They are usually organized as neighbors and delegates. A neighbor wiki is simply a wiki that may discuss similar content or may otherwise be of interest. A delegate wiki is a wiki that agrees to have certain content delegated to that wiki.
One way of finding a wiki on a specific subject is to follow the wiki-node network from wiki to wiki; another is to take a Wiki “bus tour,” for example: Wikipedia’s Tour Bus Stop. Domain names containing “wiki” are growing in popularity to support specific niches.
For those interested in creating their own wiki, there are many publicly available “wiki farms”, some of which can also make private, password-protected wikis. PeanutButterWiki, Socialtext, Wetpaint, and Wikia are popular examples of such services. For more information, see List of wiki farms. Note that free wiki farms generally contain advertising on every page. For those interested in how to build a successful wiki community, and encourage wiki use, Wikipatterns is a guide to the stages of wiki adoption and a collection of community-building and content-building strategies.
The English-language Wikipedia has the largest user base among all wikis[10] and ranks in the top twenty among all websites in terms of traffic.[11] Other large wikis include the WikiWikiWeb, Memory Alpha, Wikitravel, World66 and Susning.nu, a Swedish-language knowledge base. The largest wikis are listed and updated on Wikimedia’s “meta” wiki.
Wikis and content management systems
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Wikis have shared and encouraged several features with generalized content management systems (CMS), which are used by enterprises and communities-of-practice. Those looking to compare a CMS with an enterprise wiki should consider these basic features:
The name of an article is embedded in the hyperlink.
Articles can be created or edited at anytime by anyone (with certain limitations for protected articles).
Articles are editable through the web browser.
Each article provides one-click access to the history/versioning page, which also supports version differencing (“diff”) and retrieving prior versions.
The most recent additions/modifications of articles can be monitored actively or passively.
Easy revert of changes is possible.
None of these are particular to a wiki, and some have developed independently. Still the concept of a wiki unequivocally refers to this core set of features. Taken together, they fit the generative nature of the Internet, in encouraging each user to help build it.[12] It is yet to be studied whether an enterprise wiki encourages more usage, or leads to more knowledgeable community members, than other content management systems.
See also
Find more information on wiki by searching Wikipedia’s sister projects
Dictionary definitions from Wiktionary
Textbooks from Wikibooks
Quotations from Wikiquote
Source texts from Wikisource
Images and media from Commons
News stories from Wikinews
Learning resources from Wikiversity
Bliki
Comparison of wiki farms
Comparison of wiki software
Content management
Content management system
Corporate wiki
Customer engagement
Guerilla wiki
History of wikis
InterWiki
List of wikis
List of wiki software
Massively distributed collaboration
Personal wiki
Structured wiki
Semantic wiki
Social software
Wiki farm
Wiki software
Wikipedia
Wikipedia community
Wikipedia:List of largest wikis
Wiktionary
Wiki
Wickiup
Notes
^ Ward Cunningham’s original description of Wiki.
^ a b c d “wiki”, Encyclopædia Britannica, 2007
^ Cunningham, Ward. Correspondence on the Etymology of Wiki. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
^ Cunningham, Ward. Wiki History. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
^ Cunningham, Ward. Wiki Wiki Hyper Card. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
^ March 2007 new words, OED. Retrieved on 2007-03-16.
^ a b c d Richard Heigl, Markus Glaser, Anja Ebersbach(2006), p.51-54.
^ Richard Heigl, Markus Glaser, Anja Ebersbach(2006), p.10.
^ Soft Security. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
^ WikiStats by S23. Retrieved on 2007-04-07.
^ Alexa Web Search – Top 500. Retrieved on 2007-04-07.
^ Zittrain, Jonathan. The Generative Internet. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
References
Aigrain, Philippe (2003). The Individual and the Collective in Open Information Communities. Invited talk at the 16th Bled Electronic Commerce Conference, Bled, Slovenia, June 11, 2003.
Aronsson, Lars (2002). Operation of a Large Scale, General Purpose Wiki Website: Experience from susning.nu’s first nine months in service. Paper presented at the 6th International ICCC/IFIP Conference on Electronic Publishing, November 8, 2002, Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic.
Benkler, Yochai (2002). Coase’s penguin, or, Linux and The Nature of the Firm. The Yale Law Journal. v.112, n.3, pp.369–446.
Choate, Mark (2006). What makes an enterprise wiki? CMS Watch. April 28, 2006.
Cunningham, Ward and Leuf, Bo (2001): The Wiki Way. Quick Collaboration on the Web. Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-71499-X.
Delacroix, Jérôme (2005): Les wikis, espaces de l’intelligence collective, M2 Editions, Paris, ISBN 2-9520514-4-5.
Ebersbach, Anja, Glaser, Markus and Heigl, Richard (2005): Wiki. Web Collaboration. Springer, ISBN 3-540-25995-3.
Heigl, Richard; Glaser, Markus; Ebersbach Anja (2006): Wiki: web collaboration. Springer, ISBN 3540229396
Jansson, Kurt (2002): “Wikipedia. Die Freie Enzyklopädie.” Lecture at the 19th Chaos Communications Congress (19C3), December 27, 2002 intermot Berlin, Germany.
Klobas, Jane and others (2006): Wikis: Tools for Information Work and Collaboration. Oxford, UK, Chandos Publishing, ISBN 1-84334-179-4.
Lange, Christoph (ed., 2006). Wikis und Blogs – Planen, Einrichten, Verwalten. Computer- und Literaturverlag, ISBN 3-936546-44-4.
Mattison, David (2003). “QuickiWiki, Swiki, TWiki, ZWiki, and the Plone Wars: Wiki as PIM and Collaborative Content Tool.” Searcher: The Magazine for Database Professionals, v. 11, no. 4 (April 2003): 32-48
Möller, Erik (2003). Loud and clear: How Internet media can work. Presentation at the Open Cultures conference, June 5 & 6, 2003 Vienna, Austria.
Möller, Erik (2003). Tanz der Gehirne. Telepolis, May 9–30. Four parts: (i) “Das Wiki-Prinzip”, (ii) “Alle gegen Brockhaus”, (iii) “Diderots Traumtagebuch”, und (iv) “Diesen Artikel bearbeiten”.
Nakisa, Ramin (2003). “Wiki Wiki Wah Wah”. Linux User and Developer v.29, pp.42 sanyodenki
Remy, Melanie. (2002). Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia. Online Information Review. v.26, n.6, p.434
New Media: Who are the real winners now we’ve all gone Wiki-crazy?, The Independent, June 26, 2006.
Father of Wiki Speaks Out on Community and Collaborative Development, eWeek, March 20, 2006.
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What makes an ‘enterprise’ wiki Critical review of wikis in the enterprise
Science in the Web Age: Joint Efforts on wikis and the scientific community, from Nature magazine
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by: Claire
On November 24, 2007 at 7:08 pm
okay i’m still very confused…i need to understand this, sims will NOT be availible for xbox 360? please give me details
by: Tim
On November 25, 2007 at 12:41 pm
anonymous is not me so dont say that youre me
by: Han
On November 25, 2007 at 3:21 pm
I have heard that there is going to be something like the sims 2 on stage comming out is it ture?
coz if it is then its gonna be like the sims superstar and it will be great!!!!!
by: Tim
On November 26, 2007 at 6:03 pm
I have a question for Harrison. You said “sims 3 is set to be released 2009 along with a film kalled the sims…”. I mean, it seems possible that the Sims 3 would be released in 2009 (although I’m hoping for late 08!), but it also seems extremely unlikely that a movie adaption of The Sims would be made. I mean the game is fun, but I don’t think a life simulator would make for a very good film. I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or if you’ve actually gotten this information from somewhere. If you have I’d like to maybe see a link?
by: Chrisy
On November 26, 2007 at 6:17 pm
@Tim
I don’t see how you could have missed this news:
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=113768
Although no information has been said about the date that I’ve read so I don’t know where Harrison came up with it being released in 2009. It may not have even been started yet.
by: Tim
On November 27, 2007 at 8:09 pm
That’s very strange. That doesn’t seem like a great film idea at all, but maybe it’ll be good. I’ll go see it anyway though. Thanks Chrisy.
by: kc
On November 30, 2007 at 12:57 am
i don’t know if someone already said this, i didn’t read all of the comments.
But ok theres obviously a patteren — The sims university something we never had in the sims 1, the sims nightlife = the sims hot date, the sims open for business something we never had either. yadda. it goes on like that, so the hobbies is something we’ve never had. I truley doubt that this hobbies would be the last one, just because the sims 3 (so i’ve read) isn’t even suppose to be coming out till 09. They’ll probably make three more just so we have the complete set up. I thought about house party, and living large how they weren’t in the game. but they are, they’re like the stuff packs. — Making magic was really popular =] not my favorite but popular. I love all of the sims games, the stuff packs for the sims 2 can be fun but they’re like a staller…. something to get you ready for the next game. I really want supastar back. I loved the game i found it the funnest one. And glamour life? i thought that would maybe be it then i ofund out it was a stuff pack. I have no idea how they’ll make the sims three different.. i’ll still buy it probably. i love the sims =o
by: Lauren
On November 30, 2007 at 5:36 pm
To Be Honest.
Im a great sim fan I have all the games including sims 1, and everyone says about hoping for a magic expansion pack, when really i thought it was crap!
What is so special about having a magic one anyway?
I think the hobbie expansion pack would be great
by: Chrisy
On November 30, 2007 at 6:16 pm
@Lauren – No one expects everyone to like everything. It’s a matter of taste and preference. Personally I loved Makin Magic, it was my favorite TS1 EP. What you love other people might think is crap!
The reason I loved Makin Magic is because it added much more variety. Casting spells on other Sims and magic dueling was my favorite things to do.
by: Tim
On December 1, 2007 at 10:07 am
I definetly agree with Chrisy, Makin Magic was probably the best EP of the first Sims games. If it doesn’t make it into Sims 2, I hope it will appear again in Sims 3.
by: alania
On December 1, 2007 at 11:17 am
i thought dat the supastar was the best but i also think dat makin magic was a lil out of place but i do agree with Chrisy dat it it added much more variety.
i hope they do bring supastar out on ts2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by: gina
On December 4, 2007 at 3:04 pm
well spank my bum an suck my tits if makin magic dosen’t come back into the sims 2 im going on the game again… messin makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Benjamin
On December 6, 2007 at 10:07 am
One thing i would LOOOVE to know
is will they ever make “the sims 2 Online” ???
I think that would be there largest money maker
by: Chrisy
On December 6, 2007 at 2:11 pm
@Gina – That’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read.
@Benjamin – I doubt it. The last one failed miserably. I don’t think enough people would actually buy it, then pay monthly to play it.
by: Benjamin
On December 6, 2007 at 5:53 pm
@ chrisy, im suprised i did really enjoy it when i played it
i didnt start playing untill six months ago and i loved it
i thought a new one would do very well considering IMVU’s sucess
i unfoutunatly moved and can only have dailup so i cant load it anymore.
I still think they should i would get satalite internet for that.
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 2:19 pm
@Chrisy listen girl you have no right to dis my comment thats how i feel and besides its a fucking joke cant you take one? makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 2:26 pm
@Gina (aka idiot) – I was talking about the first part of your comment genius:
“well spank my bum an suck my tits”
Those kind of comments make you look like an uneducated moron, then again maybe you are, so if the shoe fits
Those kinds of comments aren’t really appropriate considering a majority of the Sim audience are children that don’t need to be reading stupid crap like that.
And for the record, jokes are usually funny.
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 2:46 pm
@Chrisy listen babe i maybe a bit more in your face than some but i am not an idiot and you have no right to call me an idiot, you dont even know me for all you know i could be a doctor who likes sims just because your a prude who is probably unattractive makes you think you are smarter than us fun loving girls… oh yeah i went there
makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 3:06 pm
You’re right I don’t know you, but I’m not making assumptions, I’m going by what you gave me sweetheart. You’re just convincing me even more that you’re an idiot because you have to lower yourself into trying to judge who and what I am when I haven’t given you any reason to believe that.
I know you’re not a doctor or anything else that requires an 5th education…..
“because your a prude”
You can’t even use ‘you’re’ properly
. Just because I told you it’s not appropriate here doesn’t make me a prude, there’s a time and place, this isn’t the place. I have enough common sense to not bring it here.
Don’t get mad at me because I’ve got beauty AND brains…..oh yeah I went there
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Now go ahead and make another ignorant comment
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 3:21 pm
ok now you are just basicly being a hypocrite saying that you can call me an idiot on what you have seen but i can’t on what i have seen “Those kinds of comments aren’t really appropriate” is what you said so that gives me something to say you are a prude and i am in my final year of uni doing a biology degree actually so if you don’t think that is smart you are the idiot i honestly hate bitches like you who say suff like “Those kinds of comments aren’t really appropriate” i thought i would get a few giggles out of my first comment oh and “brains and beauty” yeah right you seem to think much of yourself don’t you i bet the guys love you… NOT you probably study psychology thinking you are better than men and think that they should do whatever you want now how are you going to get anyone like that me im getting married in january and i nearly forgot makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 3:31 pm
also ran out of comments you had to use mine “oh yeah I went there”
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 3:31 pm
makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Keep on convincing me sweetheart. You’re doing an EXCELLENT job! I’m not a hypocrite, I wasn’t referring to you calling me a prude, I’m referring to you calling me unattractive.
You in college? Right don’t make me laugh
Just because I don’t think those comments are appropriate here doesn’t mean I don’t anywhere else. Like I said, time and place moron.
Why do you think that I think I’m better than men? My comments to you has nothing to do with men so wtf?
Psychology….nope, sorry but I’m not interested in getting finding out what is wrong with people like you mentally
. Anyways just so you know, I’m a hairstylist, already married to a wonderful man with a child.
Why do you keep saying “makinmagic 4ever woo” do you think that bugs me? Because it doesn’t in the least! I actually agree with you on that! Woooo Makin’ Magic forever YEAH!!!!
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 3:37 pm
I didn’t run out of comments, I was mocking you.
by: gina
On December 7, 2007 at 3:43 pm
well well we actually have something in common and no im not doing it to annoy you i just want to stress the message and atleast keep a little bit an topic oh yes im in uni not college don’t you read properly and anyway i have given in a big project just today so now i’m going on a night out with my girls now coz its night here in england so while your stuck in your house doing nothing i’ll be out on the town getting pissed oh yeah and makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Pretty much the same thing genius. You go out, have a great time getting drunk and acting a fool, it’s not my thing. Alcoholics tend to look older thyan they really are….not to mention their beer guts.
I’ve got plenty to do so don’t worry about me sweetie. I got a nice 57″ HDTV to watch if I get bored.
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 4:50 pm
than**
by: Benjamin
On December 7, 2007 at 5:46 pm
@chrisy its pretty lame that you have to mention
what you own to prove your a better person than us.
@gina stop giving in to her.
This isnt let pick fights forum its about the sims
by: Benjamin
On December 7, 2007 at 5:47 pm
sorry gina if i was implying you were picking fights
But all girls like that want is attention so lets all stop giving it
by: Benjamin
On December 7, 2007 at 5:50 pm
sorry i got the names mixed
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 5:57 pm
@Benjamin I’m not trying to prove anything. She implied that I had nothing to do, so I told her otherwise. Take it how you like. This originally started because of her moronic comment that I told her was inappropiate and dumb.
If anyone is attention seeking it’s little miss Gina. She said it herself “i thought i would get a few giggles.”
Don’t want to be called an idiot, don’t make idiotic comments. And really, was anyone talking to you?
by: Tim
On December 7, 2007 at 9:09 pm
I don’t really want to get into an argument with anyone, but first of all Gina, maybe it’s just how you talk on the internet, but you honestly do not sound like you are in any kind of university, considering I know sixteen year olds that speak English better than you. By the way if you are in your final year of obtaining a biology degree, can you tell me something that would possibly prove that? All I’m saying about this is that if you want to be taken seriously by anyone, don’t talk like a moron. And to Chrisy, don’t take anything she says too badly either, because it’d be like getting into an argument with a five year old.
by: Chrisy
On December 7, 2007 at 9:42 pm
SO true! Thanks Tim!
by: George
On December 9, 2007 at 12:26 am
Yeah, I’ve pretty much got to agree with Tim and Chrisy on this one. Gina, it was a moronic statement. You don’t come off as a university student (I am one myself and I don’t type anything like you), and your arguments resorted to slandering Chrisy with no foundation to argue from. To be honest, you were asking for it. If Chrisy wouldn’t have pointed out your stupid remark, I probably would have jumped at the opportunity. There’s a difference between prudeness and politeness/knowing what is appropriate for the situation. You don’t have any way of knowing how many 10 year old kids are out there reading this stuff.
On a tangent, Gina isn’t the only moron that talks like this online, and it annoys the crap out of me. The whole thing with shortening words or changing their spellings is idiotic. Datz Swt yo! or also the alternate capitalization ThInG wHeRe lOsErS do that. In short, don’t be one of those people that sounds like an idiot, because as Tim said, people don’t take idiots seriously.
by: George
On December 9, 2007 at 12:32 am
I would also like to remind everyone, that I’m not the same george that said “lets all get naked” towards the top. thanks. Also note that I am the same george that told “random person” not to talk like an idiot on Oct 26th. Check it out. Fo Reelz GiNa! Woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 11, 2007 at 2:14 pm
lol, thanks George
by: lil miss princess aka gina
On December 12, 2007 at 3:19 pm
@george babe when you said “I probably would have jumped at the opportunity” this makes me think you are a sad person who gets his laughs out of telling people off for not doing what you think they should on the internet i mean free speech an all that second just because i don’t talk like im in uni does not mean im not in one i mean im not doing english for g*d sake (that better chrisy you prude). oh yeah @chrisy were do you get of telling benjamin “And really, was anyone talking to you?” it’s a forum type thing were anyone can leave anything now im going to take the higher ground an not talk anymore of the subject and be the adult one also so lets get back on topic they need to have magic included in hobbies makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: alania
On December 13, 2007 at 3:01 pm
by: Chrisy
On December 13, 2007 at 3:23 pm
@Gina honey I was done with you last week. If you don’t want things to go off topic, then don’t take them off topic.
@Alania you’re a little late to the party because it’s already done. Next time, please type in actual English, thanks!
by: Chrisy
On December 13, 2007 at 3:36 pm
One last thing, Gina..
You asked “were do you get of telling benjamin “And really, was anyone talking to you?” it’s a forum type thing were anyone can leave anything”
I imagine it’s the same way you got off telling me “you have no right to dis my comment” contradicting yourself there. You said “anyone can leave anything.” Wow you’re just all over the place!
By the way it’s spelled “Where” and “off” a Uni student should know that
by: gina
On December 14, 2007 at 12:58 pm
as i said im not going to carry on with this childish arguement because i have now taken the higher ground also besides magic we need a way for sims to kill other sims it would be absolutly fab makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Tim
On December 16, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Check this out:
The Sims 2 Free Time
http://thesims2.ea.com/about/ep7_index.php
by: Chrisy
On December 16, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Keep telling yourself that Gina. You shouldn’t have started the childish argument in the first place. ANYWAYS…
@Tim I’ve been keeping up with Free Time info as well. It actually looks pretty good, considering. When I first heard about it, it sounded pretty boring.
by: Melissa
On December 19, 2007 at 2:59 pm
I love the sims…..all of them. I’m sure that EA are very capable of resolving everyone concerns. I myself have everty single sims game that ever came out for the pc. It would a pain the “huppla” to buy every same exps for the Sims 3. Would I do it…….yes, but I don’t want to.
Here is a challenge! Someone who has every single sims pc game….figure out the price on your whole entire sims collection( includng the org…sims to the sims 2). Or even guess!!! I’m Dying to know.
When I come back too read the replys……Maybe I’ll have the anwser!!!!
by: Nate
On December 23, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Hi just been reading this forum and from the past bit of it gina it was a bit out of order but Chrisy from the last piece of text that you wrote, it was you that started the argument because gina just left a comment and you went for her saying it was a stupid comment, and she was just saying something probably to catch people eyes and for the record I thought it was funny.
by: George
On December 23, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Nate, it wasn’t funny; it was moronic.
by: Chrisy
On December 23, 2007 at 7:27 pm
@Nate first, it’s been over and done with for a while, it’s idiots like you that keep it going. Second, I don’t care who finds it funny, it’s an inappropriate comment to make on a site where children visit. I’m more than entitled to say whether I think someones comment is stupid or not (just like anyone is).
Did I say she herself was dumb? No, I just said her comment was. If I had called her stupid, than yes, that would be me starting it.
I told her her comment was dumb, she wanted to come back attacking me personally, so yes she started. Learn to read.
by: gina
On December 26, 2007 at 9:41 am
Nate babe ty for sticking up for me anyway the argument is over and done with so lets just get back to sims makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Nate
On December 27, 2007 at 7:21 am
chrisy dont tell me you did not start the argument because you sooooooooooo did and you just started one with me by calling me an idiot so dont tell me you dont start arguments but lets not get into one
by: Chrisy
On December 27, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Actually you did start it by trying to keep it going. That’s why I called you an idiot. If you didn’t stick your nose in it trying to keep it going after it was already done for a week, we wouldn’t be here now would we.
If you’re that stupid that you can’t see how the argument between me and Gina started, then I can’t help you. Anyone with half a brain could see it. Again, learn how to read, try hooked on phonics I heard that was good.
Some friendly advice, if you don’t want to get into an argument then DON’T FREAKING START ONE.
by: gina
On December 27, 2007 at 3:17 pm
@nate dont go down to her level makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 27, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Yeah nate, don’t go down to Gina’s level.
by: Nate
On December 28, 2007 at 11:39 am
@chrisy that was a sad comment chrisy couldn’t think of any more things to say so you twisted what gina said
@gina i can see the level your talking about
by: George
On December 28, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Nate, shut up.
If you are too much of an idiot to see what actually started it in the first place, you should probably take some reading comprehension classes. I don’t know, its just a thought. If Gina wasn’t such a complete waste of space, she would have realized it was neither funny nor appropriate. If you somehow thought it was funny, I feel for you because moronic has never equated with humorous in my book. If you hadn’t brought up something that has been settled for over a week you would have been able to make a clear judgement on who is right (Chrisy) and who is an immature idiot (Gina). From now on you should probably just shut up and not butt into other people’s business, especially if what you have to say is total idiocy.
by: Nate
On December 28, 2007 at 12:43 pm
george you got the names in brakets mixed up
by: Chrisy
On December 28, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Thanks George! Finally something intelligent to read once again
by: jo-jo
On December 28, 2007 at 2:45 pm
i know this is a little far fetched- but do you guys reckon that instead of sims dissapearing off to other lots (like school and work) do you reckon they will change this for the sims 3 to make it more realistic?…….. just a thought!
by: Chrisy
On December 28, 2007 at 2:52 pm
jo-jo that would be nice, but who knows, I doubt it. That’s why they made Uni and Open For Business, so we could follow them to school and work. It’s still not the same though like we all want, but I don’t see how they could make it any more detailed than Uni and OFB, so I think we’ll just have to make due.
by: George
On December 28, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Nate,
You spelled brackets wrong. They are called parentheses anyway. [] are brackets. Correct me if I’m wrong, though.
Back to the Sims… jo-jo, I think it would be too much of a challenge to make a game where you follow your sims to work. If you have multiple sims with jobs or school it would be nearly impossible to go to each sims work or school with them. Perhaps if they made it so you picked which sim was your “main” sim and followed them and let the other characters be the secondary ones, that would work. I’ll look into it and see if there is any info about it out there.
by: Chrisy
On December 28, 2007 at 5:51 pm
You’re right George
I noticed it too, I just wanted him to feel like he “had us.”
by: Nate
On December 29, 2007 at 7:39 pm
im gunna type short had now coz im gettin bored of typin proper u dont av 2 get evrythin right u kno chrisy an george its not like sum big english exam anyway jo-jo i fink it would be a bit laggy in the sims 3 if we cud c ppl @ work an skool
by: Chrisy
On December 29, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Wow, you just proved I was right by how stupid you are Nate! Good job and thank you!!
by: Nate
On December 29, 2007 at 7:46 pm
y am i stupid chrisy
by: Gina
On December 29, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Milk me, makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: George
On December 29, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Nate,
Its not a matter of it being an english exam. Its a matter of not sounding like a complete douchebag. You sound like a half-etarded 13 year-old valley girl trying to speak ebonics via text. say something useful… please prove to me that you aren’t a total waste of space like your friend Gina
by: the real gina
On December 30, 2007 at 9:05 am
i did not say milk me… wow are people really that sad that they would post something like that about me just because of what i have typed an george if he (nate) wants to type like that why should you be mad at him i talk like that all the time on myspace but are you such an oldtimer you get mad at change
by: George
On December 30, 2007 at 10:46 am
Yeah… thats it, Gina, I hate change. You got me. Actually, I’m 22 and I totally embrace technology. I vote dem. I am a huge fan of change for the better.
However, I’m not a big fan of change that leads people to talk/act like idiots, even if its only online. People don’t take what you have to say seriously.
We have Japanese foriegn exchange students that have better English gramar than most Americans. How sad is that? Maybe its because we have a bunch of moronic valley girl wannabe’s that are too obsessed with texting and vanity to give a crap about other people or to value education. Did you know that 1 million plus Iraqi civilian deaths caused by the American invasion? What about the 30,000 kids that starve to death DAILY?
Maybe there is something wrong with my brain, but I tend to equate stupid people with ignorance, and I equate ignorance with not knowing what the hell is going on in the world, and thats why stupid people make me mad. If you would just at least talk like you aren’t stupid, I don’t automatically assume you don’t give a crap about the nearly 11 million people (mostly kids) that starved to death in 2007, or the 1 million Iraqis dead as a result of war (90 percent of which are civillians). So just do me and yourself a favor; educate yourselves, or at least act educated.
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 11:29 am
whats a valley girl, you see i’m not american so whats that, plus you just when off on one then talking about japanese people an iraqi civilian’s. i hate war so don’t talk to me about american invasions and i know that a lot of you americans hate war too, it’s just your cunt of a president that loves it makinmagic 4ever woo!!
an this for last time when i forgot – makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 30, 2007 at 2:23 pm
You know, just because you add “makin magic 4ever” at the end of all of your posts doesn’t make any of them on topic because that’s not the subject of ANY of your posts.
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 2:26 pm
bite my tit chrisy makinmagic 4ever woo!!
i smell like cheese
by: Chrisy
On December 30, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Good to know. The evidence just keeps piling up
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 3:41 pm
chrisy that cheese one was obviously you *rolls eyes* but did you write milk me because if you did i want an apology because during are argument i never thought of doing that i guess im just a better person than you makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 3:43 pm
and dont say its our not are trying to change the subject makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: Chrisy
On December 30, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Actually I didn’t do either one of them. It’s too immature for my taste.
People really need to quit doing it though because it’s getting confusing and annoying.
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 4:14 pm
for once i agree with you chrisy but for the second one it is quite suspicious that you posted at 2.23 then someone posts as me 3 minutes later and one minute later you look at this website and post something else they do seem too close together not to be you
by: Chrisy
On December 30, 2007 at 4:17 pm
I see that but I get my email alerts right when they’re posted. I replied as soon as I saw it. I see why you think that, but I can assure you, it wasn’t me.
by: john
On December 30, 2007 at 4:23 pm
ok but chrisy lets put all the arguments aside and agree to disagree so who ever it is out there using my name you are sad and i’m sure even chrisy will agree with me on that makinmagic 4ever woo!!
and again for the last time I forgot – makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: john
On December 30, 2007 at 4:25 pm
by the way it say john because i am gina’s fiance i posted it and ment to put ginas name but automaticly put mine
by: Chrisy
On December 30, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I agree, putting this to rest has been LONG overdue.
Everyone else, it’s done, please don’t restart it back up.
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 4:54 pm
just to confirm john is my fiance and i did tell him to write that i would of but i was in the middle of my program
by: gina
On December 30, 2007 at 4:55 pm
-makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On January 1, 2008 at 5:35 pm
so noone wants to talk now? oh well im hungry im gonna lick a buttcrack makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On January 2, 2008 at 11:13 am
the last gina was not me makinmagic 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On January 11, 2008 at 7:29 am
Chrisy spank my bum an suck my tits you motherfuking bitch!!!!!
he he!!!!!
by: Chrisy
On January 11, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I know you’re not not gina, I really don’t care who you are, but you need to grow up and get a life.
by: Chrisy
On January 11, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I’ve already said before that I’m done with the crap, I’ve already wasted too much time with all of this BS and quite frankly, I’ve got better things to do.
So if people want to be immature and pretend to be other people to keep it going, by all means, I mean if you’re that much of a loser go right ahead….but leave me out of it, because I’m unsubscribing from this!
by: gina
On January 12, 2008 at 11:35 am
hi evreyone back from my honeymoon anyway back on to sims theres a new neighbourhood in freetime an its called MyMuseII does anyone think there will be anymore?????????????4ever woo!!
by: gina
On January 12, 2008 at 11:36 am
by the way my new thing is just 4ever woo!!
by: gina
On January 12, 2008 at 11:37 am
by the way my new phrase is just 4ever woo!!
by: Nate
On January 12, 2008 at 2:29 pm
@gina yes i saw that on the sims 2 website, who else thinks the new creature will be a gorgan
by: Nate
On January 12, 2008 at 3:18 pm
@gina i forget to ask can i suck ur tits like i did last nite
by: gina
On January 12, 2008 at 5:31 pm
i know your not nate your just some nobody who feels by causing conflict your making people mad but your not anyway @the real nate i think it will be as well but i don’t know how it will fit in unless like the bigfoot you have to go to a secret lot too 4ever woo!!
by: Nate
On January 13, 2008 at 3:01 am
ur nipple rings were kinky gina
by: Tom
On January 13, 2008 at 12:36 pm
by: Steve
On January 13, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Nate is gay. GINA’S MINE!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
by: syjoutfouyfouyfouyfkuyf
On January 13, 2008 at 12:40 pm
by: Jenny
On January 13, 2008 at 1:17 pm
HAY BOYS WILL YOU CUM IN MY CUNT I NEED COCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by: Nate
On January 13, 2008 at 1:25 pm
this is the real nate
@steve yes i am gay but thats non of ur bisnus plus i like bein gay!
@gina wat do u think she can do sept from turnin ppl into stone obv?
by: Nate
On January 14, 2008 at 4:55 am
@Jenny, I’ll give u COCK!
by: Merv
On March 21, 2008 at 4:39 pm
@George, sniff sniff I smell a slag
by: Jamey Friess
On November 30, 2011 at 8:44 am
Hi I am thinking of selling sweets in cellophane cones. Do I need to be registered and require insurance. I don’t know if it will take off or not so worried I don’t want to end up in debt before I even start making any money.