Posted on August 27, 2007,

What Women Bring to Raiding: Drama

nightelves.jpgFor most games, whether or not someone has a penis makes no difference. Going solo, people are just people in competition.

But something about the mixing of genders brings issues to guilds. Or, at least according to one writer at

There is a tendency among some women to try and flirt their way through the top,” Patrick O’Callahan “Ciderhelm” wrote in a recent editorial. “This is terrible because it tarnishes the legitimate business and personal relationships between leadership and other players.”

This is just one reason why he believes that mixed gender guilds don’t quite work as well as single-sex guilds. O’Callahan does a fair job of trying to sound neutral about the issue, and even tries to make it about the whole concept of men and women coming together in a romantic bond as being problematic, not just having women there in and of themselves. But because they are there, it creates a splintered group dynamic.

For instance, when guild members become a “couple,” they tend to act like a clique within the guild. It’s an obvious sort of behavior, as a mutual affection will turn into an immediate defense when one of the two feels threatened.

“If you offend one person in the clique for any reason, no matter how rational or irrational, the others will leave the guild immediately,” O’Callahan writes. “Further, the separation that they build makes them feel distant from the guild, and allows them to reinforce any bad feelings they have with each other. It’s a quick, vitriolic spiral downwards that usually builds from unfounded gossip.”

He brings up a lot of good points, and what it comes down to is it’s not about being sexist, it’s about being realistic. If people are mature, level-headed and understanding when sexual politics are introduced into a guild, then there is a low chance that problems will arise.

Unfortunately, and this seems to be especially true of gamers, people have the emotional stability of a ten year-old. And this is sometimes, in fact, because they are ten years old. But hey, we all can grow and change, and there’s of course hope for the future. Right now, it seems that girls and guys make silly situations a whole lot more serious than they need to be.

With that said, I happen to completely see O’Callahan’s point about girl gamers banding together and working better than a mixed-sex group. I know that in high school I worked at a rest home as a wait person on their dining room staff, and we all got off of work an hour later if there was an equal number of girls and guys.


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3 Comments on What Women Bring to Raiding: Drama


On August 27, 2007 at 10:15 pm

That’s ignoring the entire core issue of the matter, which is that if someone claiming to be a female is trying to use sex in an MMORPG to gain favor and climb the ranks in a guide, they most likely aren’t actually female.
The lesson here is to make your relationships in real life only, and it’s always a great idea to remain gender anonymous.


On August 27, 2007 at 11:15 pm

In response to JSL… Usually you can tell it’s a guy playing a girl toon the first time they hop on vent or TS… Don’t really agree with this article all that much, the females I raid with in WoW seem alot more cool mannered and serious then the guys.


On October 16, 2007 at 2:55 pm

This is so true. I have been in guilds in WoW that break up because guys are trying to score with chicks or the chicks are just wanting to have “FUN”. Fun for a chick is to get as many guys to do things as they can and be the center of attention thus bringing in the drama. I have heard and seen things in guilds that have women that just aren’t there when there are all guys. A lot of male gamers are getting pissed off for many reasons with this. Girls that overly flirt and are the fun type you cannot trust. I find most girls play games because of the guys that play them, they know they can get guys to do most anything and they are just doing what comes natural to girls. I am a guy, I’ve had video game crushes, but as soon as I see girls swap from guy to guy which is more often true than not I just frustrated. Seriously no one wants a lose woman around cause that is drama. If they are going to be that way have a concubine section of the guild and label them that. Being said I know a lot of guys who quit WoW because of female drama cause we go to WoW to escape not be part of a freaking soap opera!