Why MMO Guilds Are Useless & 5 Ways to Improve Them


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Nothing draws people into MMOs more than interacting with other players. It is, after all, the entire reason to play an MMO rather than a single-player RPG. All those people experiencing and influencing the same world as you. With so many people put into one place, it’s natural that alliances and social hierarchies eventually form. The most obvious of these constructs is the guild.

The guild has been a staple of MMO mechanics since the start of the genre, with ever-changing rosters and dramatic stories accompanying it the entire way. Despite the inherent dangers of pledging loyalty to a bunch of internet strangers, the guild system has generally worked out for the best. Guilds have given us some truly incredible tales of both betrayal and teamwork, after  all. But not even this venerated mainstay of the MMO community is safe from a scrutinizing eye. Let’s talk about why guilds suck, shall we?

As always, I love to hear different opinions. Hit me with your best and worst guild stories. Tell me what you love and hate about the guild system. Help shape the understanding of guild systems as we know them.

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7 Comments on Why MMO Guilds Are Useless & 5 Ways to Improve Them

Axetwin

On February 12, 2013 at 1:37 pm

James, you seem to be under the impression that, atleast on the social side, all guilds operate the same way. There are many guilds out there in all sorts of games that do make the players come to them through word of mouth or from a forum. They dont advertise themselves in open chat. They make players prove their worth before being accepted as a full-fledged member. Lets stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade. These are “hardcore” guilds, a group of players that take the game WAAAY too seriously and for some reason you expect ALL guilds to adhere to this sort of mentality. If youre into this sort of thing fine, but expecting all guilds to operate like this is just silly.

Right now on the Harshlands server of PWI, there is a guild that exists simply to have fun with the game and be social. Yet, they control atleast a third of the map, dominating other guilds that had previously held parts of the map for atleast a year if not longer. Im talking about the type of guilds that expect their members to drop hundreds if not thousands of dollars in the cash shop to outfit their character. Yet they get spanked by a guild that, as you put it “scrapped the bottom of the barrel”.

Now, with that said. I do agree that there can be better ways for a guild master to keep track of his quality members beyond word of mouth. That there are ways a member can be recognized for their accomplishments past simple ranks that quite frankly dont really mean much and are typically handed out to suck ups. Take Flyff (I feel dirty just mentioning this game) for example, guilds level up by players sacrificing specific quest items to give the guild experience. The Guildmaster can easily track how much experience a member has contributed to the guild. Other games utilize a mentor system with the mentor receiving xp and gifts when the mentee reaches certain milestones. There’s no reason why there cant be a guild system similar to this.

As for guild recognition. In the game Airrivals (formerly known as Space Cowboy Online), every month there is an election with the players of the two factions voting for their next president. The president is typically the guild leader of the top performing guild of the previous month during the massisve PvP events. There are server wide alerts that inform players which guild contributed the most during these events, so the recognition is out there.

The point to this is, like many of your other “5 way to fix this” lists, the ideas are out there, the problem is theyre not getting the recognition it deserves because its not being utilized by the right games.

James Murff

On February 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Yeah, most of these things have been done before in some capacity or another. This article – and the series in general – is more to point out that these elements are floating out there in the MMO design ether and that designers should grab hold of them and use them.

As for the expectation of all guilds to operate under the “all-chat recruitment”: I state in the article that good guilds know each other outside of the game. Cohesive guilds are ones that are built upon recruitees finding recruiters, not the other way around. Perhaps I wasn’t clear that the outside-game recruitment methods give better-quality members. My suggestion is to enable a system of recruitment in-game that is similar to what you find outside of the game. You look for guilds you want to join, look at their membership and activity, read up on their recruitment application and details, and then apply. This places the burden of involvement on the recruitee, not the recruiter, which means that you are likely to get players that truly want to be a part of your guild.

Quinsec

On February 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm

My problem is that I simply hate people and want to be left alone. On second thought, that probably makes me not-so-ideal for an MMO player. I hated seeing guild chat, I hated being asked to go do something for someone else. I did get attached to my first WOW guild, when I actually made an attempt to get to know people and play the game with them – but after that, I just wanted left alone.

I’m just a bitter old man, I guess.

Goner

On February 13, 2013 at 2:54 am

@Quinsec i know this feeling, you leave boring people in your job to find the same in your game.

Quinsec

On February 13, 2013 at 3:32 am

@Goner

Exactly, I play games to escape from monotony. I like feeling exciting and exceptional when I game. My MMO guild was just like work – make small talk until the next raid, listen to people’s questions about problems they’re having in the game, and show up to raid on a work schedule. Logging into my guild characters felt more like clocking in than it did embarking on an adventure. So, after awhile, I stopped joining guilds.

folklore

On February 13, 2013 at 10:01 am

@Quinsec
I can sympathize the feeling. When i play mmo’s for the most part it’s because they have an interesting premise such as the secret world. This gets quickly old when you have some one spamming 50,000 gold free available at such website. Doesn’t help I’m single play oriented in the first place so interacting with other players is pretty far down on the list.

Luther

On February 14, 2013 at 1:28 am

Yeah the majority if not all of what this artical is wishing for is already in Rift.

I for one just want more complex guild options like in eve online but in a fantasy based mmo.

I don’t think there is a single mmo out there with as much depth as eve but everyone else is accomplishing the same thing threw vary simple methods which isn’t exactly that fun.