A vote against spawn camping -1 reply

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RLLD

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#1 15 years ago

The premise of spawn camping shows a lack of ability on the part of those who engage it, IMHO. Here is my thought process.... The game is all about tactics and team work, THIS is the basic premise of game play. To implement your own individual and team tactics better than the other team. Your individual skill supports the team tactics in the specific role you have taken on. To say that it is just part of the game is inane and demonstrates how obtuse one can become with a narrow scope of thought. By killing the enemy before he/she can get out to engage you, one can thus aleviate the need for ability, tactics and skill. Therefore, spawn camping represents the height of noob mentality. Now, if an object is legitimately reached through spawn point, that is one thing, but sitting in wait, or calling fire on it is just cowardly. I also have no issue with training heavy weaps on the spawn exit, so long as there is more than one. Bottom line, use your tactics and skills, don't rely on wimpy spawn camping tactics.




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#2 15 years ago

I agree completely. The only time that spawn camping even comes anywhere near acceptable is when you have so overpowered your opponent that you’ve pushed their ‘front line’ all the way back to their spawn spot.

Other than that situation, spawn camping is for the childish and immature.




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#3 15 years ago
willbeeI agree completely. The only time that spawn camping even comes anywhere near acceptable is when you have so overpowered your opponent that you’ve pushed their ‘front line’ all the way back to their spawn spot. Other than that situation, spawn camping is for the childish and immature.

If you push a team into thier spawn point with no escape then an XP shuffle is in order big time. Nothing is more boring for me to either be on the receiving end, or watch my team mates maul another team for 15-20 minutes. Unbalanced servers are just plain boring to me. I don't want to house another team, I want to be challenged. It's the only way I can get any better.:deal: I even go so far as to avoid spawn points in general. I think it is beneath me to attack near there spawn. Now to be fair, I have done it to those who were so happily doing it to my team on a previous map:naughty: , but only in retribution so they can know just how it feels:cool:




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#4 15 years ago

I'm with you spawn killing is just childish. I understand the occasional killing while your just passing by and they come out of spawn, but sitting covering the exit is just sad. If you want a server where no spawn killing happens at all (admins are always on and willing to ban) come to thefunnyfarm.net the IP is 130.13.82.5. I like it mainly because there isn't spawn killing. I have been to servers where you can't make it more than 5secs alive before they gun you down. I should learn to proof-read before posting.




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#5 15 years ago

myself, i try to go out of my to avoid spawn points, but in some maps, you can't. for instance, oasis, when the allies get the flag, its expected that the naziis try to get the flag back before the wall is blown; because of this, allies (or naziis) will spawn in the middle of a firefight inside the bunker as its a mad dash to be the last one standing (to keep their own flag there. so until the wall is blown, i always try to get back to the bunker to hold the flag, or keep the wall from being blown. another example from this one map is the water pumps...i'll venture thru the tunnles to blow the pump, but as a rule, i don't go any further, and i don't hang around long after the dyno is planted. because some maps are designed so that the opposing team has a reason to go to the secondary spawnpoint, (if it can be retreived); IMO, i don't think this would be considered spawnkilling/camping....but i don't think theres any reason for the other team to be hanging around a primary spawnpoint...there would only be 1 purpose for this...these r the people that p!ss me off!!!! having said that...whats your guys take on ambushes?




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#6 15 years ago

I think pretty much every server that doesn't allow spawn killing says it is okay to attack rotating spawns as long as you are trying to get the spawn. I attack the spawns and capture them all the time. I have never been kicked or banned once for doing it.




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#7 15 years ago
having said that...whats your guys take on ambushes?

I am totally cool with ambushes and think it represents a higher skill level. To isolate yourself in a particular spot for a period of time is actually to the other teams advantage, unless they run into that ambush you set up, of course. I have found that an underlying aspect to the game that is ever-present is the art of delay and distraction. Those who spawn kill are doing this directly, because they lack the skill to do it any other way. Example: You run to a particular spot, and throw smoke as a cov ops, in doing so you immediately drw enemy attention to that spot, now you have created a small opening somewhere else. Attacking is all about getting the defense to pause jsut enough, distracting them a little and killing them alot LOL Defense is all about delay, which is in alignment with distraction, but requires a little different approach. For instance, you knife enough of the enemy while dressed as them, and you can create a real problem for them, they will then pause alot more, and even pop each other off a few times. Fire for effect on a choke point can force the enemy to take the long way around, or just a way that provides a defensive/offensive advantage. I find myself enthralled with the art of manipulating how the other guy will react, and seeing if I can exploit that.




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#8 15 years ago

couldn't have said it better myself!! i'm a big supporter of ambushes. designers (and everybody else who has input into the creation of a this (and others) game(s)) went through a whole lot of pain and agony to make it as realistic and true as possible. one of the biggest tactics used in WW2 was ambushes. mind you, i've ambushed alot of people in various maps/servers, and alot of times, i'm the one lyin in a puddle of blood when its over with...but, ya gotta take the good with the bad, or victories with defeat. but there is always a cry baby screaming that its not fair, 'camping' shouldn't be allowed! and this is usually the same person that mines the hell out of the tunnels, or a main path and screams whoohooo when he blows sum1 up. errr, i think i went to far with my opinion, its starting to sound like a rant! LOL ok, i'll go now L8r