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PreciousRoy

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#1 9 years ago

Got a game to play with y'all...

Imagine that Ambassador Spock was rescued from the events of Star Trek (2009) by the U.S.S. Premonition and returned to normal time a few days before the destruction of Romulus. He could not prevent the destruction of Romulus and Remus, but was able to evacuate 14 million Romulans and 11 million Remans, as well as preserve enormous amounts of the culture of the Romulans.

Hailed as a hero to the empire, Spock's act revitalizes the reunification. The Reunified begin an official process of application to the Federation. The Treaty of Algernon is nullified, and the Federation is, roughly five years after the event of Star Trek: Nemesis, free to incorporate Phasing and Cloaking technology into its ships.

If you had these ships to choose from as possible phase-cloaked ships, which one(s) would you select... and why?

Achilles Acquiescent Aegian Akira Atherstone Century Eros Excalibur Eximus Hecate Interceptor Intrepid Luna Norway Prometheus Saber Steamrunner Sovereign




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#2 9 years ago

Atherstone, Century, and Interceptor all strike me as good candidates, appearing to be the vanguard of Starfleet heading into the 25th century. Interesting premise too.




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#3 9 years ago

Thanks!

I don't want to use many descendants of the Constitution, because a ship with stemmed nacelles strikes me as illogical for a Phase Cloak. But if someone has an excellent argument why the ___-class was meant for a phase cloak, I'd be all ears.

So far, of the 34 ships, the Atherstone and the Hecate are my favorites, but I'm also thinking the Scorpion and the Eximus could both be used together (with the Scorpion being a possible only-when-allied-with-Klingons build). The Acquiescent could possibly be a good fit.




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#4 9 years ago

PreciousRoy;4932060 If you had these ships to choose from as possible phase-cloaked ships, which one(s) would you select... and why?

Achilles Acquiescent Aegian Akira Atherstone Century Eros Excalibur Eximus Hecate Interceptor Intrepid Luna Norway Prometheus Saber Steamrunner Sovereign

Well half of those classes I have no idea what they are, but I would go with the Achilles class.




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#5 9 years ago

I liked the hypothetical story, though I don't believe the Federation would have much use for cloaking capability. They've managed perfectly well without it so far, so why start to impliment it? Excluding the Defiant, no other ship really needed to have a cloak, and half the time, the Defiant didn't use hers. Saying that though, if a Federation ship were to have a cloak, it would be one of two ship types. Either a weak science vessel (thus avoiding predators), or a warship, which would use the cloak as an advantage, decloaking, firing everything she has, and then cloaking again. That said, I'd go with the Achilles or Aegean. I've never heard of the Acquiescent, Atherstone or Eros, so can't commend on them, and I don't think a cloak would work on any other ships. They seem to fulfil their role without the need for cloaking ability.




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#6 9 years ago
Aerilon;4932332I liked the hypothetical story, though I don't believe the Federation would have much use for cloaking capability. They've managed perfectly well without it so far, so why start to impliment it? Excluding the Defiant, no other ship really needed to have a cloak, and half the time, the Defiant didn't use hers.

Oddly enough, that's my thinking. I don't want it on every ship, but if the Fed were free to utilize the system they had on the Pegasus, where would they put it, and why?

Here, let me give descriptions for the non-canon stuff, maybe do pics, too... Acquiescent - an Armada 1 model in the Intrepid family, but with a long, thin aft that curves up like a vacuum cleaner handle. I renamed this one the Dyson class for that reason.

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Atherstone - A small, flat ship in the Intrepid family, roughly the size of the Defiant, with bay doors in the 'saucer' aft and port. From the 34 Fed Mod.

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Eros - A smaller ship from the Pathfinder years, reminiscent of the Nova but with a very unique deflector design. From the 34 Fed Mod.

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Eximus - An arrowhead-shaped ship, perhaps from the Achilles family. From the 34 Fed Mod.

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Hecate - This is actually from the 34 mod, but it kinda looks like a Fleet Ops version of the Premonition. Very post-Nemesis in the Nacelle design.

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#7 9 years ago

I think it would depend on the ship's design philosophy. StarFleet would choose fast ships for hit-and-run stuff... maybe the Sabre or the Interceptor. Hard-Hitters like the Akira or Eximus (or Steamrunner if we forget that Artillery stuff) could use it to sneak up to their targets without having to use hit-and-run tactics. And nothing looks more impressive than a massive Excalibur or Dreadnought decloaking right in front of you. Almost every ship class could benefit from a cloak. But I'd prefer the hard-hitters like the Akira (I don't like hit-and-run).

...a warship, which would use the cloak as an advantage, decloaking, firing everything she has, and then cloaking again.

That would depend on the ship we're talking about. A single ship using hit-and-run tactics may be useful, but if it was a fleet of Akiras, I don't think the re-cloaking would be necessary.




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#8 9 years ago

I would say the Eximus looks most like the kind of ship to use phase cloak as it looks the most sleek of the ships.




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#9 9 years ago

None of the above. I have a feeling the ill will produced by the Pegasus incident would lead the Federation to prefer not to use cloaking technology, and if they did, or had to, they'd either resort to using holoships or mount them on a needs-only basis. But that's based on the notion that a cloaking device is an exotic, foreign, and therefore rare piece of technology.

The hard part about the whole scenario is figuring out which ship merits the use of a cloaking device. If we go by a "most smooth" or a "most powerful" argument, we're still saying there are other ships which have NO need or do NOT merit the inclusion of a cloaking device. Keldons are uglier than sin and some of them used cloaking devices. USS Pegasus was an Oberth-- even if it could do more than advanced scouting under concealment, it wouldn't be able to do anything more than provide reconaissance and/or kamikaze decloak / core-detonation.

Every time we've seen the hero ship of a series use a cloak, the situation was either desperate or desperately unusual for the Federation. Defiant's cloak was a one-time arrangement with the Romulans, precisely because of the war. Kirk used a cloaking device to his advantage, as did Picard, but once. (I don't know about Janeway because I gave up on Voyager so early, but she had bad writing on her side and therefore had no reason to resort to concealment when brazen and witless ACTION! would suffice....)

Fact is, the cloaking device is the most overrated piece of technology in all of Trekdom. I wouldn't want one for any ship in my fleet, were I a Starfleet admiral. Its only advantages are in reconaissance and in surprise. A good commander can do those things, and do them well, with discipline and with proper use of the resources at his/her/its disposal, on any battlefield.

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#10 9 years ago

None of the above. I have a feeling the ill will produced by the Pegasus incident would lead the Federation to prefer not to use cloaking technology, and if they did, or had to, they'd either resort to using holoships or mount them on a needs-only basis. But that's based on the notion that a cloaking device is an exotic, foreign, and therefore rare piece of technology.

The hard part about the whole scenario is figuring out which ship merits the use of a cloaking device. If we go by a "most smooth" or a "most powerful" argument, we're still saying there are other ships which have NO need or do NOT merit the inclusion of a cloaking device. Keldons are uglier than sin and some of them used cloaking devices. USS Pegasus was an Oberth-- even if it could do more than advanced scouting under concealment, it wouldn't be able to do anything more than provide reconaissance and/or kamikaze decloak / core-detonation.

Every time we've seen the hero ship of a series use a cloak, the situation was either desperate or desperately unusual for the Federation. Defiant's cloak was a one-time arrangement with the Romulans, precisely because of the war. Kirk used a cloaking device to his advantage, as did Picard, but once. (I don't know about Janeway because I gave up on Voyager so early, but she had bad writing on her side and therefore had no reason to resort to concealment when brazen and witless ACTION! would suffice....)

Fact is, the cloaking device is the most overrated piece of technology in all of Trekdom. I wouldn't want one for any ship in my fleet, were I a Starfleet admiral. Its only advantages are in reconaissance and in surprise. A good commander can do those things, and do them well, with discipline and with proper use of the resources at his/her/its disposal, on any battlefield.

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