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Aurrin

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#1 15 years ago

Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the new trend? It seems that every futuristic mod now, whether it be a single ship or an entire conversion, has nothing but pointy-ended ships in store. While I don't have much of a problem with oval saucers, this arrow-head design school of thought is losing one of the most distinctive features of star trek ships. All generic sci-fi ships have elongated engines, all generic sci-fi ships have a pointy front end. The distinctive saucer & nacelle combo was what made star trek ships stand apart. Now, they're looking more and more generic all the time with each successive incarnation of the 'pointy saucers'. Why can't we just have regular saucers again? :(




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#2 15 years ago

I definately hate the pointy saucers as well. One of the worst offenders is the Dauntless. The biggest problem about the pointiness is, you can't moint very many frontal weapons on a ship like that.




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#3 15 years ago

there is a reason for the change in ship designs its to do with warp field geometry the ships the have the pointy saucers can go faster because the saucer helps create a more stable warp field which is why the galaxy was one of the last with a circule saucer and as for pointy saucers promethus is the last that has one and that is also the fastest ship in the federation so the people doing the future mods are only contineing with what they think future ships will look like




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#4 15 years ago

In reality, they just made that up to justify the new shape. There's no such thing as 'warp field geometry' in reality, so they could have just as easily said that it was worse rather than better. They just wanted to change the designs, and needed a canon reason for why they were suddenly changing the way ships had been designed for 300 years. And it ticks me off. I'm sorry, but the new ones don't have the same personality. They just feel too generic.




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#5 15 years ago

there are no such things as antimater reactors phasers or Photon torpedos so just because it has been mentioned does not mean it does not exists because there has to be some way of creating a warp field around a ship so why not call it warp field geometry and even in cars they say about wind resistents so why not the same thing for ships traveling in space




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#6 15 years ago

You have to admit it does look cool. If a phaser strip was located on the front of the edge, it would fitre about 270 degrees around the saucer and ~180 degrees vertically. Or, you could put many torpedo turrets there. Also, it increases aerodynamic efficiency if they need to land the saucer on a planet, like in ST: Generations. Finally, it could be a design that both cuts costs and doesn't harm armament and efficiency.




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#7 15 years ago

Okay, aerodynamics has nothing to do with warp-field geometry. In aerodynamics, it goes faster because it doesn't disturb the streamlines of air movement as greatly. Since the shape of the warp-field is controlled by the warp nacelles (remember the TNG episode where Wesley plays with the warp field shape?), any hull that can structurally withstand the stresses of warp flight will do. As long as it fits within the warp field envelope, the exact shape doesn't matter from a warp-field geometry point of view. Plain and simply, they just wanted the ships to look different, and came up with a 'reason' after the fact to explain it. And no, I don't think it looks cool, I think it looks stupid and utterly generic, as if the people who designed it were too lazy to come up with an original design, and started copying star destroyers and any number of other sci-fi series' ships. (Note: I know it's not laziness in truth, but it comes off that way to me.) It throws away the one distinctive feature of Star Trek ships. It doesn't add any firing arc capability. (I could prove that mathematically, but let's not worry abou that.) There is an equal placement on a saucer that would produce the same effect. The only situation where it makes any difference whatsoever is planetary landing. Even then, it really doesn't matter too much, because the saucers are thin enough as-is that changing them to a pointy shape won't make much difference. Not to mention that planetary landings are a last-ditch failure mode, not something that you base the entire design around.




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#8 15 years ago

:nodding: the classic saucer shape is just more trekish.




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#9 15 years ago

As you think that the pointy saucers are just to look good here is a quote form daystrom institute technical library taken from the intrepid info

"Development of the intrepid class went relatively smoothly in the early and mid stages, but a major problem arose in 2370 with the discovery that the energy emissions of standard warp drives caused considerable cumulative damage to the structure of subspace. Starfleet called for all designs then in progress to be modified to eliminate this effect, and it was decided to use the Intrepid class as a test bed for this technology. After some experimentation it was found that the effect could be avoided by using a warp field with a much elongated Z-axis, combined with complex warp field modulation and the utilization of new materials during the manufacture of warp coils. This has led to the ships saucer section having the forward ellipse now becoming common on Federation designs. The new warp field configuration did lead to a 15% reduction in the speed of the Intrepid class across all flight regimes, bringing the top cruise speed down from Warp 9.99 to Warp 9.975, and the maximum rated speed from Warp 9.992 to Warp 9.985."




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#10 15 years ago

It seems like people are so single minded that anything new is bad. Well, I prefer pointy starships. Older starships are fine, but what about the potential for new starships. Maybe there are more efficient ways to make starships. Ovals and circles are past starship designs. If you think (or read for that matter) about it ovals, circles, and saucer type ships were some of the original starship designs in science fiction (or yet to be proven science fact). Pointy ships are more modern. They paved the way for modern science fiction. Ships got sleaker as time rolled on. It was only a matter of time (funny stuff, that time is) before star trek and older science fiction starships conformed to the future. How long will sleek last one might ask? Well, one in the present; assuming that one is for sleek designs, would say that sleek is here to stay, but that may be because one is limited in one's immagination.