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k_merse

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#1 8 years ago

OK, you can punish me for that, but I have to write it down already. I can't stand the whole mess around "cracking" the game. The whole thing is nothing other but hypocrisy. Call it to "Armada II crack" and you're banned. Call it to "Non-official Armada II NoCD Patch" and you'd be the helper of poor people. I always hear that we can't talk about cracks on the forum, while a disc of Armada II costs 60-100 USD on ebay! And you can't get it from anywhere else legally. Who would pay that money for an old game? And now, that I write down that Armada II can be downloaded from torrent, and because it's so old, it can be copied without any problem and it will work, I don't even know what you'd do with me... Especially if I add that Daemon Tools can solve anything. Seriously, it's a game left by developers, it is not even listed on Activision's site. Who cares what would we do here? Personally I think it worth more to keep the community together and help new people to play the game than hypocrite refer to the rules, while we know that nobody cares...

Sorry, I just have to write it down. Please, spare this thread at least for a few hours ;)




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#2 8 years ago

Actually, calling it a "Non-official Armada II NoCD Patch" would still be against the forum rules.

Filefront simply can't be seen to be supporting people pirating games. If it was allowed for one game, it would have to be allowed for all of them. Even if the developers didn't then sue filefront they might then refuse to give filefront news, beta's, demo's, patches, etc. which would have a serious impact on filefront being able to operate.

Filefront is pretty reasonable as a host, we've got a rather large file archive and site here that's completely free to use with very little in the way of rules. Pretty much the only thing you can't do (excepting personal abuse, swearing etc etc) is discussing warez. It's not a huge amount to ask, especially given that we aren't out looking to catch people out. We're just saying that the forum rules must be upheld.




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#3 8 years ago

I have to back Freyr and the site here man. This is a real issue of criminal law. What you do in your own time and share with people elsewhere is your deal and your personal risk. But please don't put this place at risk in the process.




StarBlade

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#4 8 years ago
k_merse;5288485it's a game left by developers, it is not even listed on Activision's site. Who cares what would we do here?

You're forgetting one very important party in this entire process: CBS / Paramount.

Sure, maybe Activision and Mad Doc and the other developers don't really care one way or another. But Star Trek isn't owned by them.

You may argue in response that CBS / Paramount doesn't care about the Star Trek copyright. If you want to be on the receiving end of their legal representation's hammer of justice, fine. That's your choice.

But FileFront's rules are here for a reason: to protect ALL of FileFront from the same group of lawyers. It's not to protect them from one group of lawyers or another, but ALL legal action.

And re-distributing software that hasn't legitimately been permitted for re-distribution (as A2 probably never will be according to its EULA) is against FileFront's rules for a reason.

I know it's killing the community to have these restrictions in place. But we lack both the means and the money to change this anytime soon. By the time we do with our present resources it'll be ten more years from now and A2 won't run without a Win95 emulator or something. But there is quite simply nothing to be done about it, I'm afraid.

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#5 8 years ago

merse. Your going to find that its not just FF that carries this kind of ruling. Almost every single site that provides patches and other files for games and software will not allow cracks and anti-cd patches. I'm somwhat of a firm believer that after a certain period of time "out-of-print" games should be made available as "public domain", but that usually takes upwards of 15-20 years (there are sites that provide old DOS based games back from around 1995 but thats as well as your going to do). The only alternative is to allow place Armada 1/2 into the digital download catagory, but this leads to a problem. As there is no support for it any longer creating the necessary edited EXE to allow both no-cd and lock that particular download to a specific pc will be unlikely to ever happen.

Now don't get me wrong. I can see where your coming from, but you have to look at the flip side of the coin.




k_merse

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#6 8 years ago

I'm not questioning the legal background of the policy of FileFront. I know the law, and I know that they couldn't do anything else, I just do not understand why start everyone crying if someone just mentions crack. The last example was this Kamuikobayashi guy, who seemed to be simply a new guy who didn't know the rules and everyone reacted as he would be some kind of criminal. OK, OK I know who he was in reality, but that doesn't change anything. I don't even say that FF should allow to post cracks for the game on the download site, but they could be a little bit liberal with games which are no more available on the market. At least not to threat with ban if someone says that he had to use crack for some reason, thats all I want.




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#7 8 years ago

We didn't threaten to ban him for discussing warez. We banned him because he was our infamous Jetnova back from the grave, and we were able to prove that to the standard required for a ban.

We don't ask people if they are pirating the game, and if you come out and admit that your pirating a game (which is a criminal offence anywhere in the world) then you get told not to do it again, a slapped wrist, the thread locked and... that's it. Go into a police station and loudly confess to software piracy and see what happens. £5 says that the result is more serious than a slapped wrist.

I can't see what your complaining about, to be honest. Even if I was running my own site, I still wouldn't allow discussion of Warez. I'm pretty sure that Majestic doesn't.




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#8 8 years ago

I can guarantee that MSFC is 100% Warez free (even discussion is frowned upon)




Warborg

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#9 8 years ago

The only part that I agree with is making extra copies. I've bought 2-3 legal copies of 1 and 2 each... and made a few of my own copies. IMO, I've paid my dues and should never have to buy anymore to keep playing. I use the copies to play with and tucked the originals away to preserve them.




StarBlade

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#10 8 years ago
Warborg;5289939I use the copies to play with and tucked the originals away to preserve them.

I do the same thing. And it can be done with this game (unlike others). It's essential if you plan on taking A2 with you in a laptop etc. I've run through at least three A2 copies just by taking them places in the laptop.

It's distributing those copies to people that's against the rules.

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