How do you deal with this? I'm playing with a friend and it was able to massacre all his smaller ships in one go...
Resynchronizing with RealitySorry, You're Not a Winner
18th April 2006
Isn't that what it's designed to do? :p
The cake is a lie.There is no cake.
13th November 2004
Take out all the Diamond's and the science station/research pods. That's your way to stop the menace. Gotta be more careful though of the shield remodulation for TFC's...that's a bummer.
If you don't want to get rid of it completely, then I suggest that you persuade your friend not to play Borg...
And I agree that a Shield-Remodulated Tactical Fusion Cube would be one big bummer:nodding:
Freyr likes this weapon. Don't ya buddy? :lol:
oh yeah, its a great weapon. I take it you guys remember being on the receiving end of them? I mean, it was what, 3v1...?
Anyway, you can't stop someone on a diamond onslaught.
Well, I can. You can't.
There again, I did unleash this one into modern A2 warfare. It all started in a 4v4 when we had an asteroid field and a long trip at warp speed to get around it. The game had raged on for about an hour with nobody really having much of an advantage. I could see a couple of valuable buildings that I really wanted to kill just out of conventional weapons range, but I didn't rate the ability of a tricobalt torpedo to hit it very highly. I then thought about the range of the ultrium beam and build a dozen diamonds. They wiped the buildings in a single shot to the surprise of all concerned.
Then poor Judge made the mistake of warping in a bunch of Interceptors to take on the diamonds and had them handed back in bits without me firing an ultrium burst off. Then a fleet of Galors turned up and I shredded them with an ultrium burst. Not being slow from the take I promptly switched construction of cubes to diamonds and went all out on diamond production.
People, not to surprisingly started building with ultrium equipped diamonds from seeing what I could do with them. NOBODY built them before this, then they suddenly became a common tactic for the borg all of a sudden.
The Ancient One, Starprowler gave this a name years ago rather unintentionally. Intending to say "Hello Freyr" when he spotted my diamonds parking slightly outside his weapons range it accidentally changed to "Hell Freyr" when a good portion of his fleet vanished in a couple of bursts and his base disolved under a diamond onslaught. Hence, the Hell Freyr diamond onslaught. Its a shame tactics don't have names because I quite like that. :) People don't seem to use them to much these days, but I don't play that much anymore so I guess people don't see them in use so much.
Anyway, that little bit of history dosen't help you much :)
Simply put, if your fighting against a competent player using diamonds there is no way to win. If your just fighting against somebody thats seen someone else doing diamonds though you can try a few things. Firstly use the Z axis, the ultrium burst can't arc very far in the Z axis so come in above and below. If you get it right you can have fleets above and below the ultriums effect while still being in your weapons range.
Secondly, use scouts squadrons as cannon fodder for battleships. The big problem here is that a single ultrium beam can kill 16 scouts (an entire fleet!) without you getting in your weapons range.
The other thing to do is split up and only send in a few battleships in at a time. hope they waste all their beams on one ship. If I am faced with this then I tend to bring in a FC. They have to mass to take the FC on, or I take them piecemeal. If they come in then the FC gets remodded and the fleet gets an ultrium burst. Otherwise they die piecemeal. They always have to come together to attack something, even if its my base which looks relatively undefended. (HAH!! who needs puny turrets with the power of the ultrium beam at your command!?)
And a single powerful ships like a TFC won't work against them either. I know they don't take much damage from ultrium beams but all you do is use two diamonds. use the first to remodulate the second, and then run the second into point blank range (so they don't have time to warp away) and shoot the TFC with the computer override. Then self destruct the TFC before they get it back.
What you really need to do is to wipe the tech out, however when I am doing diamonds I tend to have it hidden and backed up like 5 times with diamonds on guard duty. The diamond can remodulate the station preventing you from damaging it, while your getting shredded by whatever defenses are nearby. Like ultrium armed diamonds.
But again, there is no defence against someone that really knows what they are doing with Diamonds. All you need is a fleet to warp/transwarp gate by your fleet and you can lose your base in under five seconds.
That having been said, every race has at least one ship thats like that. The Federation defiant is near impossible to beat early on in the game, the Romulan Shadow is godlike, the Galor and the Que'ral are waaay overpowered for the point you get them in the game as are the Species destroyer swarms and the Battleship.
Its just knowing what your doing. Personally I think the romulans are overpowered, but most people think I am nuts. I think its just people not understanding that your meant to be devious and strategic playing as Romulans instead of doing an impersonation of the Klingons playing style.
ok, on a per race thing against diamonds in twenty secs
Feds- Temp them and engage with Galaxys. (soverigns have less firepower and cost more, reducing the number you can field)
Roms- holo them from the shadow, then nuke them with a Phoenix for good measure.
Cards - use the flux wave from the "gul whateveritscalled" and run a dreadnought into a scout parked above the tech while they are disabled.
Borg- If you can't beat em, join em.
Bugs- many billions of battleships, the shields take a lot of punishment.
Klingons - rush with Que'rals before they get diamonds, if that fails then die with honor.
Haha, well said Freyr. Way back when, during the days of Armada 'I' I used similar tactics on my foes. Not quite as stratigicly sophisticated, of course; but also back then there weren't Tactical Cubes, FCs, or TFCs. Heck, I remember you couldn't even build Galaxy Class ships. I've got my tactics, I'll still get whooped though. A good tactic of mine as the Borg is to assimilate technologies, so the enemy doesn't know what to expect. I would try to 'burst' the diamonds with a few of my own; few less, just incase they get off a few bursts.
so the question remains.... what in your opinion is the best side? ok so thats a crappy questions, how about what kind of playing style should you use when playing each side?
bugger thats worse... :lol: