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[SYN] hydraSlav

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#21 15 years ago
Agent_0rangeYes they have the option to forgive but I wonder how many actually do forgive[/quote] Ask yourself another question: how many people forgave you for TKs in BF42? How many regular pubbers knew how to open the console and type FTK? People get ticked off because in BF2 it explicitly says "punished for TK". Would you have felt any different if BF42 said "punished for TK" for each automatic punish it did? Ask yourself a question: how many times were you forgiven for a TK in BF42 as compared to BF2? [QUOTE=sejanus]and why should I warn them when they should be paying attention to their mini map which clearly shows I am coming.

Ahh... that goes both ways, you can see them on the map just as well, and you should be paying attention to your map. :D

and what about when I am firing at an enemy vehicle with anti tank then some twit decides to run up to the smoking and damanged vehicle which then blows up and it states I just team killed?

Yes, that's your fault too. Since you are firing at the vehicle from a distance, you can see him, and that also means that you can see any friendlies around him on your map. Now, that friendly doesn't know you are aiming at the tank that he is trying to C4, and he can't see you on the map, cause he has no idea that any of the dots 360 degree around him are aiming at the tank he is about to C4. But you know where the tank is, and you can clearly see the friendly next to it on the map. If you don't care about the life of your teammate and proceed to shoot that AT at the tank, TKing in the result, it's your recklessness.

the other day I was driving a tank and had a gunner, so we are headed towards the front line (so to speak) and he decides to get out of the vehicle as I am driving, well guess what he got killed and he has the nerve to punish me for it..... Am I supposed to be a damn psychic now too. He could have just asked me to stop so he could get out.

Yeah those physics suck, and that's the only problem with this game. The physics and the morons that abuse these physics, punishing and trying to get people kicked. Agreed.

If people spent a bit more time paying ATTENTION and realizing that they just got killed because they did something stupid then it would not be so bad untill then we have to live with the immature.

Yes, people need to realise what killed them and how/why it happened. But you should also pay more attention when trying to kill the enemy, to avoid TKs, or when driving next to stupid teammates. Consider them 5yo kids on the road. You are not going to zip by at 60 Km/h when the kids are playing ball on the road, are you? These stupid teammates are the same 5yo kids. If people wouldn't be so obssesed to finish off that tank, or to drive to their destination as quick as possible, if people would actually look out for their teammates when firing, then lots of TKs won't happen. But right now, TKs happen from the recklessness (but with good intentions) of the TKer just as often as they happen from the stupidness of the teammates. Lets take this case scenario: I've been chasing an enemy plane with my plane, locked on him, and fired. There was a friendly blackhawk hovering in mid-air and smocking. The enemy jet releases flares, and my missiles redirect and hit the friendly blackhawk killing all onboard. Whose fault? Is it my fault that the enemy jet dropped flares? No... Is it my fault the missiles redirected at the friendly blackhawk? No... Is it my fault the occupants of the blackhawk got TKed? Of course it is my fault. I was careless, and didn't think about the possibility of the missiles redirecting at the blackhawk, and cause of my carelessness, they got TK. I was flying around the friendly blackhawk when i fired, so it's my fault. I should have seen him on the map, and should have stayed on the enemy's plane's tail just a bit longer, even if it costed me losing him out of sight. I should have been more concerned about the safety of 6 people in the friendly blackhawk, then my own kill-score, or even my own death. It wasn't my fault that the enemy jet dropped flares and the missile redirected at the friendly chopper. But it was my fault for firing that missile in the vicinity of the friendly chopper, so it's my fault they got TKed, and i would take full responsibility even if they decide to punish me. And also, alot of people don't explicitly punish. They may just ignore the message. If the message is ignored, it default to punish. What also happens is that the TK message may get overlayed by the order from your squad leader/commander or team-invite. Again, in that case, the message is defaulted to punish.




Falcon.

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#22 15 years ago

You can't lock on to friendly vehicles.:p




colonel_bob

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#23 15 years ago
'[SYN hydraSlav']Ask yourself another question: how many people forgave you for TKs in BF42? How many regular pubbers knew how to open the console and type FTK?

The difference is that here, people have a very clear, obvious way of forgiving someone for an accidental tk. The fact that they punish you anyways -- right away, that is -- when thier death is clearly their fault is what pisses so many people off.




Jackson_Cal

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#24 15 years ago
Falcon.You can't lock on to friendly vehicles.:p

That's not what he was saying (read the post a bit more carefully) - the situation is that you lock onto an enemy vehicle, that vehicle drops flares and the missle is mis-directed - it WILL lock onto any heat source at that point, friendly or otherwise. It's freakish, but it can happen. I think Hydraslav is right on - the only thing wrong here is the collision system and damage models. Getting lightly bumped by a tank should not get you killed.




auday

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#25 15 years ago

hello what about this ..i get a kick after i killed 2 by mistake (artilry) and a noob coem crash his FAV in my APC and die ... SHAKOMAKO TEAM KILLS "THE NOOB NAME" then wow again ..i was in the same apc waiting the enemy that i saw in the scan who come closer to the base ..another hit by the same noob ..i got angrey and said i will jomp into a plane and fly ...a noob killed me by anti tank ...i returnd back to get a car to the airplane and while driving it ..the same noob come and crash his car here s a funny thing ...since he was car damage (i was engineer and saw that he was about 70% ) he hit me and it become a team kill ..kicked ... funny ..and he punishes as well everytime he did that




auday

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#26 15 years ago

he wanted to be a comannder? hiting the star player so will be kicked and he can apply while everyone busy with the fight! this s what i think




[SYN] hydraSlav

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#27 15 years ago
Jackson_CalThat's not what he was saying (read the post a bit more carefully) - the situation is that you lock onto an enemy vehicle, that vehicle drops flares and the missle is mis-directed - it WILL lock onto any heat source at that point, friendly or otherwise. It's freakish, but it can happen.

:agreed Thanks for saving me some time typing pleased.gif @auday: The same could have happened in BF42 and BF:V, there will always be retards playing online games, especially the new ones, and they will always find ways to exploit, one way or another




psyichic

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#28 15 years ago

well ive used that homing missles lock off to my advantage before. If your in a transport heli and see an enemy assault heli you just need to hover behind it until your locked onto. When you beleive a missles is coming start flying away while dropping a flare. THat will result in hopefully a missle hitting the enemy helicopter.

Cheap yes but effective and hey if youve got the skills to stay out of sight and behind an enemy heli that long and have the luck for a missle to hit him you arent at fault :D




[SYN] hydraSlav

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#29 15 years ago
psyichicwell ive used that homing missles lock off to my advantage before. If your in a transport heli and see an enemy assault heli you just need to hover behind it until your locked onto. When you beleive a missles is coming start flying away while dropping a flare. THat will result in hopefully a missle hitting the enemy helicopter. Cheap yes but effective and hey if youve got the skills to stay out of sight and behind an enemy heli that long and have the luck for a missle to hit him you arent at fault :D

Yeah, i did that too once. I was alone in the chopper (stupid gunner bailed), and there was an enemy chopper (with gunner) ahead of me (i've meet them before, without a gunner, i was toast). Then a plane behind me locked on me. I waited for the tone to become stable (meaning the missile was fired), and then dropped flares and banked to a side. I saw the missiles go right under me and into the enemy chopper, TKing both of them :D Damn, did that feel good. Too bad you don't get a kill in such cases




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#30 15 years ago

I apoligies, Hydra, Ive never seen that happen in the game. An nice about the plane, that wouldve been so funny to see from the ground. And I hate the "gomers" that rune infront of your unstopable at speeds jeep, and looking at you all the way on approach THWAK! You have been punished for teamkiling! Omgzores, wtf was that about do joo hatez me or somethings?