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{VLAD}The_Impaler

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#41 15 years ago
MerrickDSBattelfield 1942 was released in sept of 2002. It is not riding the coat tails of it's succes three years later. Bf1942 also had 2 ( count them....1.6 and 1.61 ) patches released for the game.

Everything here at this community was spawned from Battlefield 1942's massive success, including and not limited to ALL the modders and development teams. This game is most certainly "riding the coat-tails", but in a very poor fashion. Then EA tried to rush to production Battlefield Vietnam which in turn was a complete waste of time and a dud! Noticed how EA just let this one slide? How many people ran out and bought that one only to sell it on Ebay? Then of course we have another rush to production job here with Battlefield 2. Desert Combat is the best version of what EA is ATTEMPTING to do with Battlefield 2, but without all the fancy graphics. Which is better? One that is FREE, and has a ton of awesome gameplay? Or, one that costs $50 bucks, is buggy, unstable, but beautiful? Now, you are right in the fact that Battlefield 1942 had patches as well (most every piece of software released does) however, the difference being is those patches worked! The patches that EA are relaeasing for BF2 don't work or are screwing up ones that were working prior. EA just wants the money kiddies, that's it! Sorry, but it is just not worth what you pay for. Like I said in earlier posts though it is lucky that we have modders that will fix and give us the "game" we really want, until then I have a fancy coaster...:lol:




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{VLAD}The_Impaler, You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I have seen numerous posts of yours complaining about the game, in several different threads. So I think a fair number of us know what your opinion of EA and BF2 is. Some things to keep in mind.. BF1942 had numerous patches(MerrickDS buddy, BF1942 had way more than just 2 patches man, I have many of them burned on a CD), so now it has very few bugs, but it still has some. When BF1942 came out there was all kinds of moaning, groaning, and bitching about how the game wouldn't run on their computer, bugs, crashes, needed a supercomputer to run it all maxed out, ect. How could DICE/EA ride the coattails of all that bitching, moaning and complaining that occured with BF1942 when it came out? Which you seem to have conveniently forgotten about. /Sarcasam on DICE/EA is only after money eh? Hmmm, yeah, I guess they are just out to rip people and piss people off so that they make a quick buck for in a couple of days and then lose their customers and quit making money in the long run. Yeah, that must be it. They certainly aren't like other publicly held companies are they? We all know that publicly held companies have no stcokholders to answer to, correct? Yeah, only privitely held comapnies have stockholders, right? So DICE/EA certainly must not have any deadlines to meet, can spend as much time in the world as they want and as much money as they have to develop one game and make it perfect on release, just like every other game in the world that has been made, right? We all know that every other game that has ever been released by companies other than DICE/EA have been bugless from the get go, correct? No other game ever made has been buggy and unstable on release, nope. We all know that patches from other companies have NEVER broken anything with their patch. No, no other company has ever made a mistake before in their patch, only DICE/EA have. Oh wait, what I thinking? Every other game that has ever been released has never needed a patch because they were perfect out of the gate! Of course, DICE/EA should never be forgiven for releasing a bad patch. Hell, I know Microsoft has NEVER broken ANYTHING in their OS patches. Hell, every OS patch Microsoft have ever released has always been absolutely perfect. They have never released a patch for their patch and no other game company has had to release a patch for their patch. /Sarcasm off I went out of my way to try and drive some points home(I know this isn't really about other games or MS OS's). I hope I made my point. I am perfectly aware that the use of sarcasm usually doesn't make people happy, but sometimes it works to make a point in the long run. Look, it sucks that you are unhappy about the state of BF2 and feel that you have been ripped off. Did you not try the demo before buying the game? Anyway, I have some more to say. Similar to what MerrickDS said, for every person that has complained of problems getting the game to run there are probably a hundred or I don't know how many more that are out there playing the game. Sorry to hear that you think that BF1942 was only good for the mods. Also sorry to say that is your opinion. I enjoyed vanilla BF1942 for what seemed like countless thousands of hours. Along with an incredible number of other people that were playing along with me on numerous different servers. I also enjoyed a few different mods. I played Forogtten Hope for what, again, seemed like countless thousands of hours. As for BF:V ...I never bought it. Why? Well, I didn't just run out and buy it the day it was on the store shelf. I waited around and read a lot about it on forums. The concensus was that it was a peice of crap. So I never bought it. That means I voted with my wallet. Something you might consider doing in the future. BF2 had a demo and I tried it and liked it immediately. So I bought it. Does BF2 have bugs? Sure it does. Should we be happy about these bugs and just accept them? No! Should someone(ok, some persons and some companies) be held responsible for them and fix them? Yes, most certainly. Should we bitch and moan and whine about them? No! We should write to EA about them using some diplomacy and have a level head when describing the bug(s) while at the same time letting them know that we are unhappy about the bug(s). Regardless, I'm one of the many many many satisfied customers and am enjoying the game immensely, warts and all, and I look forward to some patches/bug fixes, just like when BF1942 was first released! Unstable? I CAN RUN THE GAME ALL DAY LONG on my system if I want to. I just got done playing for 8 hours straight. OFMG!! THAT'S WHAT I CALL UNSTABLE!!! It seems like the only time the game ever crashes on me is when the server has crashed. I can tell because if I start the game back up and look for that same server, it might be there, but it's empty. And my game does not crash every single time the server I'm on crashes. In fact, it only happens rarely. After the eight hours I just got done playing, the server finally crashed and I got disconnected along with everyone else. I logged out and then quit out of the game cleanly. OMG!! I feel so ripped off!! :lol: I'm going to turn my BF2 disc into a coaster!!!!! Man, if only I'd tried the demo first. 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#43 15 years ago

Addenum: {VLAD}The_Impaler, Somewhere I thought I had read that you thought the only thing that saved BF1942 were the mods. But after looking again I think I was mistaken about that and felt I should state my mistake. Sorry. I also have a few more things to add...

{VLAD}The_Impaler Now what EA did was spice up some pretty graphics, through in ragdoll physics, rip-off Desert Combat... [/QUOTE] You are saying that BF2 ripped DC off. Are you not aware that DICE purchased Trauma Studios? Trauma Studios was the team that made the DC mod, and DICE purchased them specifically in order to have them work on BF2. So they did not rip-off Desert Combat. Quite the opposite, they purchased the DC mod, and they purchased the DC mod team in order to have them work on BF2 and make it a Modern Combat setting.
{VLAD}The_Impaler The only thing that is going to save this game is a serious (working) patch (and not the worthless attempts they have passed out so far)...
I'm not sure where your getting that there's all this trouble with the latest patch, v1.02. Generally speaking, there have been very very few complaints about 1.02. I have seen very very few people that have proclaimed to have a problem with 1.02 and I tried to help them. But it's been just that, a very very few. And one of them discovered that he had a bad stick of RAM in his system. If your just referring to bugs in general in the game, then once again, your forgetting that the game has only had 2 patches so far, whereas BF1942 had numerous patches! The game has been out, what? 2 months? DICE patched BF1942 for a good long time with the numerous patches they put out. I for one am hoping to see the same for BF2. But the game has only been out for about 2 months so far! [QUOTE={VLAD}The_Impaler] Money, money, money...they could have put just as much work into it as they did with Battlefield 1942, but bringing the game to the masses was more important than quality.

I was wondering, could you please enlighten us as to just exactly how much work DICE/EA put into BF1942, and just how much work they put into(or didn't put into) BF2? Regards, OneTinSoldier




{VLAD}The_Impaler

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#44 15 years ago

OneTinSoldier, Whew! man you had a lot on your mind. Listen, after reading your response you make some good points and I concede on some of those issues, mainly: "You are saying that BF2 ripped DC off. Are you not aware that DICE purchased Trauma Studios? Trauma Studios was the team that made the DC mod, and DICE purchased them specifically in order to have them work on BF2. So they did not rip-off Desert Combat. Quite the opposite, they purchased the DC mod, and they purchased the DC mod team in order to have them work on BF2 and make it a Modern Combat setting." On this I stand corrected, my mistake.

However, I still believe this game is really buggy. I had this game working perfectly at one time and ever since a reinstall I have had nothing but trouble, and I mean trouble! Numerous installs, (safe mode installs), drivers, configs, and countless emails to EA tech support....nothing! Seriously, I have never had as much trouble from a piece of software as I have had with Battlefield 2, and EA is getting a LOT of these complaints so it's not just me. If things get ironed out, which someday they will, I fully expect the game to be great. Keep in mind, I buy EA/DICE produced software and a lot of it. That is what makes me disappointed and upset.




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#45 15 years ago

Ok {VLAD}The_Imapler. Your point about having trouble is well taken. I know how muc that would suck and disappoint. And I was kind harsh on you. Sorry. I thought it would help to drive my point home. It doesn't seem to have upset you too much so I must say that it would seem that you can take it as well as dish it out. :) I really am bummed to hear that you are having such problems. You say that you had the game working perfectly at one time. Interesting that since a resinstall it no longer works properly. :( I wish I knew how to help you. For some reason that I can't remember right now(arrrgh!) I had to uninstall and completely wipe the game from my system and then reinstall it, only I've had no issues. Kind of a pain in the butt, but perhaps if your were to reformat and install WinXP from scratch it would clear up your problem? I'm sure EA is getting a lot of compaints. But as I've said, I'll bet for every complaint there is a hundred that have no problem and are very happy. Unfortunately for PC Game developers end user problems present a problem for them, tech support. Computers are amongst one of the most complex devices made by humankind. And they have to try and support their complex product on a complex platform(PC's). If I'm not mistaken it's one reason why many game developers prefer to develop for game consoles rather than the PC. It's a little bit of a bummer that some of them steer clear of the PC for that reason. Cheers, OneTinSoldier




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#46 15 years ago

it takes time to hammer out the anomolies of extravigant games.....compare this to rogue spear if you will ...or operation flashpoint ( would be a better choice). Opflashpoint had three patches put out. It was the best of games when it came out but damn, by the time the last patch came it was beautiful to play. Unfortunitely there is nothing we can do for you Vlad, but try and help you hammer out Your problems one by one. As i have stated i haven't had one issue with this game. From Grid one in fact. and i play it when i am not playing soldier of fortune 2. nobody else in my clan has had an issue from install to playing. Except for maybe the waiting that happens at " verifying account". This is a gamespy " bs" issue. That is my biggest issue. The fact that they have to do this. but what can you do ...take the good with the bad and hope it is worth it. the game play is great ...graphics are awsome. It is what i expected out of a "next Gen" game. patches will come for it ...they are just trying to figure out what to patch .lol Pc gaming is a science. Sometimes there is much trial and error. You said yourself you could run the game before, now you can not. There are thousands playing this game. Tens of thousands. But you can not run it? i am not saying you are inept. I am saying that perhaps there is something on your end that you don't realise is happening.




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#47 15 years ago

Well, I feel ripped off in the sense that the 8500 is supported, and the 9200 series is not. I was left quite confused there. The only good thing about my darling 9200SE caused by the game to run at 4x AGP, is that I can see people in the grass and no-one can accuse me of cheating because I can't do nothing about it.




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#48 15 years ago

OneTinSoldier, I enjoy conversation where we can both express our passion and still remain civil. Very few forum discussions stay that way. So, thank you for that and your insight. It has been a pleasure.




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#49 15 years ago
MerrickDSit takes time to hammer out the anomolies of extravigant games......

Err what? I don't think so dude, that's what beta releases and testing is precisely for , not pushing a flawed game out to paying customers Shipping any software with such bad flaws only shows that the company has nothing but contempt for the customers who pay out their hard earned cash for a game that was simply released before it was ready for public comsumption




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#50 15 years ago
MerrickDS i am not saying you are inept. I am saying that perhaps there is something on your end that you don't realise is happening.

No, I know what you mean and no offence taken, but I have been through my machine several times. Actually, I have gone through Regedit, RegCleaner, MsConfig, updated every driver known to man, installed EA's patches, and installed this game in Safe Mode five times. Plus, emailed EA tech support roughly ten times. I don't know what I could have overlooked. Like I said though, this game was working perfectly at one time, and ever since a reinstall...