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OneTinSoldier

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#51 15 years ago
TheSmegheadErr what? I don't think so dude, that's what beta releases and testing is precisely for , not pushing a flawed game out to paying customers Shipping any software with such bad flaws only shows that the company has nothing but contempt for the customers who pay out their hard earned cash for a game that was simply released before it was ready for public comsumption

TheSmeghead, I don't think you understand what MerrickDS is talking about. He's talking about getting your Computer System up to snuff and properly configured for running a complex resource hungry game/application. He is not neccesarrily talking about bugs in a game. The game is supported to run on the Minumim System requirements listed on the box and on the internet. But it's not just that simple becuase PC's are one of the most complex devices around. So you not only have to make sure you have the minimum system requirements, but that you have also done the work you need to do in order to have you system properly trimmed and configured. The Beta testing phase is to make certain that the software will run on the listed minimum specs. And BF2 will run on such systems, as long as the above and below advisories are taken into account. I used to play MS FLight Simulator quite a bit. Below is a post by someone that further explains what I'm talking about here... -------------------------------------- Have any of those that are having problems ever read the back of the box stating system requirements?. You do realize that this is the minimum requirements for the minimum outcome. To play it. Period, dot end of story. This is assuming a machine is in top condition. Not actually top rated hardware but good condition. It amazes me how many people whine and moan about poor performance pointing fingers at everything except the last thing sitting in front of that computer.........YOU. The USER. For those that want even decent performance from a program, especially one as involved as FS9 stop the finger pointing and MS bashing for a minute and start at the top. Or the front if you like. You the user. When was the last time you did a good defrag of your machine? With a good Defrag program, not MS's default app? For instance Diskeeper. If you spend more than 2 hours a day on your machine and you answered more than 5 days ago, than here we have fault #1. How many are running anti-virus software and don't disable it before firing up the sim? Fault #2 I'm sure we are all running the latest Bios / Chipset drivers / Video card drivers and updates for our OS right? Highly unlikely so..Fault #3 Adaware/Spyware is a notorious culprit for stealing memory and CPU cycles. When was the last time you checked?. Been on ***** or such in the last 24 hours? Check again, you'd be surprised. Fault #4 How many of you have a start bar that looks like a software add for COMPUSA. 9 apps loading at startup stealing 40% of your resources. Sure 512 megs of Corsair memory is great but not if 220 megs of it are being eaten up by uneeded apps and services. Fault #5 Not finally but I think I'm getting my point across, how many of you are just flat out trying to get the Sim to run at slider settings that are just not doable on your machine?. I don't agree with it but you do realize that the minimum requirements to run are based on the minimum settings within the sim. All sliders to the LEFT. If this has come across sarcastic or snotty it was not meant to be. Does FS9 need a patch?. Only for those issues that are reproducible on a broad number of setups proving a fault with the code and not the user's equipment. I realize that not everybody has the resources to spend on a system to truly appreciate the beauty that is FS9. If that's your case than understand that you than need to do things to maximize your performance. Not Mr. Gates or Microsoft. We want the software his company creates. Have you ever thought of how many different hardware combinations there are. Now try to figure out how to get a program to run good on everyone of them. Windows XP has over 50 MILLION lines of code. It supports over 12,000 different devices in over 15 languages. The problem with most people is that they expect perfection in a world (Computers) that it is almost impossible to make everyone happy. Bobby -------------------------------------- If there were a particular bug that is keeping BF2 from running on a broad number of systems then DICE/EA would need to fix it. And I'm sure they would. But I have not seen any such particular bug. Most everyone that I have seen post about trouble getting BF2 running properly is because their system has some sort of issue going on, regardless of how obscure the issue is. It would seem that {VLAD}The_Impaler has done his homework and still hasn't been able to relsove his problem. But keep in mind that even he says he had it working just fine at one point in time. This suggest that perhaps... something has changed on his system(driver-wise or perhaps something has become corrupted for instance), some piece of his hardware might be starting to go on the fritz, or that a reformat and clean fresh install of the Operating System might clear up his issue. The vast majority of people get BF2 running a-ok. This of course does not change the fact that the game does have some bugs concerning gameplay. But it does not have compatibilty bugs that prevent it from running on the listed minimum system specifications when the above advisories are taken into account. {VLAD}The_Impaler, The feeling is mutual, good to meet you and exchange conversation. :) Regards, OneTinSoldier




Nordicvs Advanced Member

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#52 15 years ago

Fortunately I was able to trade my copy of the game for another game, and so I don't feel as bad now.




TheSmeghead

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#53 15 years ago
OneTinSoldierTheSmeghead The Beta testing phase is to make certain that the software will run on the listed minimum specs. And BF2 will run on such systems, as long as the above and below advisories are taken into account.

Sorry OneTinSoldier, but you just simply wrong with that statement

Beta testing is there to test that the software works full stop, not just to check if it works on a minimal system, that is not the point, beat testing is there to find and remove bugs and any game play issue etc. In other worlds to make sure it works, this game clearer was released with major issue not just system requirements but fundamental issue in the game code and logic I have worked in the game and 3d simulation industry for 15years ( and no I dont work for a competitor) and this type of thing goes on all the time, games and software in general is released knowingly with major problems because of the pressure put on the companies by publishers and financial backers etc and the penalties they may face if the miss the dead line Will this game last I would say yes because it has a lot promise and maybe with a lot of luck the next patch will get the game to a stable enough point, but the game still should not have been released in the state it was, and it shows you how good there the testing was (NOT!) with the first patch the had a memory bug the a programmer straight of out kinder garden would have caught in his own unit test never mind simple regression tests , if some one did that were I work they would not have a job now




OneTinSoldier

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#54 15 years ago

Yes, you are correct. The Beta testing phase is to iron out bugs. Including gameplay bugs, not just compatibilty bugs. So I stand corrected. Although I think I am also correct in pointing out that it is to make certain of stability and compatibility too. Beta testing is to, at the very least, try and insure that a peice of software works properly all the way around, period. Nowadays at least, just how polished you consider or think a game should be at the time of release could considered to be subjective and opinionated, because almost no game is relased close to perfection anymore. That is one reason why it can be best to wait until the game has been out for a while before purchasing it. Then you can read forums posts about it(rather than just glowing reviews) and get an idea of what you're in for in the way of 'unperfection and polish'. And there may have been a few patches out by that time to boot. If consumers want to start receiving much more polish in released games then they need to let game companies know this in some form or another. Perhaps by always waiting until the game is in the bargain bin, becuase I'm not too sure exactly how much they care about an e-mail they may receive from you stating such a sentiment once they already have your money. With that said, please tell us/me what 'major problems' BF2 has in the way of bugs at this point? Please be specific rather than just saying the game 'has bad flaws'. As I have said before, I can play the game all day long with no problem, and I have a helluva lot of fun. You make it sound like there is something so terribly wrong with BF2. Since I can play the game all day long, just what is the 'stability' problem(s)? Do I see some flaws and glitches in it? Yes, I do. Would it have been nice if the game were more polished upon release? Sure, that would have been great. But do I think it has 'major issues'? No. From what I have seen I think the state of this game at release is about the norm. Some bug/flaws/glitches that are polished up later with patches. You say that it was 'clearly released with major issues'. They are not clear to me. So I would like to be enlightened as to just what these 'major issues' are, please. You have said that the game is not stable and that hopefully within a patch or two that it will be stable. I CAN PLAY THE GAME ALL DAY LONG!!! OMG!! NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL UNSTABLE!!! Not! Please don't blow hot air at me by being vauge. Be specific and let me know just what these major issues and stability problems are please. Sincerely, OneTinSoldier




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#55 15 years ago
TheSmegheadErr what? I don't think so dude, that's what beta releases and testing is precisely for , not pushing a flawed game out to paying customers Shipping any software with such bad flaws only shows that the company has nothing but contempt for the customers who pay out their hard earned cash for a game that was simply released before it was ready for public comsumption

well as i have stated time and time again ....What is flawed for one person works fine for another. I have absolutely no issues with this game whatsoever. So you tell me. From my point of view it doesn't need anything else. I haven't even experianced the coveted " Tk " issue. where your team mate has the other teams colors.




MortifiedPenguin

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#56 15 years ago

Surely, if they had tested it thoroughly, they'd have noticed the error at least once. And if they did see it, they should have worked out what caused it and fixed it, not just thought, "It's very rare. Only a few people will see it. It can wait."




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#57 15 years ago
MortifiedPenguinSurely, if they had tested it thoroughly, they'd have noticed the error at least once. And if they did see it, they should have worked out what caused it and fixed it, not just thought, "It's very rare. Only a few people will see it. It can wait."

so you would like the company to purchase one of each computer system and run all the variables they can on it ? and when would you like the game to be out, maybe by the time the 7800 cards are obsolete ? The point to that is ...with all the variables there are to pc gaming, and the advances they are making in pc's, you can not test it for every for every system .... You would think this game would run without a hitch on a 6800, but most people are having issues with them. Runs fine on a 9500 radeon, 6600 nvidia without a hitch. get it ? There is no company that can release a software 100% ready to go ....Do i feel bad that this game runs bad on some people's systems ? Yes. i would be a heartless person if i didn't ....Taking into consideration that i try to help the majority of the people who have issues. I am a HARDCORE soldier of fortune 2 player. I have gone so far as to Remote into people's pc's to help them with issues with the game.130 people to date. The problem is .....You have no idea what people do with their pc's ...They tell you the standard answer. "what did you do to your game ? " answer i get " Ummmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhh Nothing ? ". "what did you do to your pc so far ? " answer i get " Ummmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhh Nothing!! ?" Riiiight. The people that think they know it all, are usually the ones who screwed up their systems the most, cause they are in to EVERYTHING they can get their hands on. And in most cases it can be as simple as a corrupt registry key , but guess what ? They didn't back up the registry the way EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY tells them to before making changes. The people who know nothing more than " click this to install in default directory" and " run this anti-spyware/adware program once a week and this Defrag program twice a month ", are usually the ones that can run games like this without an issue. Simplicity in it's most simplest of forms. See what i mean ? go look at most of the threads and see the people posting having problems. Most of them are quite knowledgable about their pc's , while the new people ( I refuse to use the term Noob or any of it's variables any longer do to the fact that most people who use the term forget they were once new to the pc scene also and become the "Dinks of the elitests") Pop the disk in , install , patch , create an account , and are off and playing without an issue. Maybe one or two stutters every now and then , but no issues. Welcome to pc gaming and the future. Most of you are too young to remember the earlier games that were played on win95 ( maybe even 98 and it's update). Fortunitely, i am old enough to remember them, the graphics, how they played and how terrible some of them were released. Where they could have used a patch, and never were issued. Well that is enough from me .LOL




OneTinSoldier

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#58 15 years ago

Hello MerrickDS, I want to say that I have to agree with Mortified Penguin about this bug. It's there. Many people have encountered it accross a broad array of systems if not all systems(I'm shocked to hear you haven't encountered it yet), it's not a system compatibility bug but is a gameplay bug. And although it's just a guess, I agree again that this bug was probably seen during testing and allowed to pass through anyway. And with BF2 being the type of game that it is, this particular bug should have been worked out before the game went 'Gold'. Still, I do not find BF2 to be riddled with bugs, flaws and major glitches although it has some warts here and there. I do think this is one bug that in a way could be considered to be sort of major. It's just my opinion about the way this bug should have been handled and I happen to share it with Mortified Penguin. Your opinion may be different and apparently it is, which is fine. We are allowed to voice our opinons, right? ;) The good thing is I think that DICE will fix this bug and I have hope that it will be fixed in the upcoming 1.03 patch. Cheers, OneTinSoldier




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#59 15 years ago

If it only happened on one variable, then why does it happen to so many people? Surely all the people who have experienced the glitch don't all have the same variables? It's happened to so many people, it must be a bug in the game. Or a vast amount of system variables. They must have found it once. And if not, they ain't testing it enough. I have encountered a huge amount of problems. Server browser not working, always losing my connection, crashing, the TK bug, my joystick not configuring right, and more. To be fair, I'm sure there were a lot more bugs that they did remove, but still.




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#60 15 years ago
OneTinSoldierIt would seem that {VLAD}The_Impaler has done his homework and still hasn't been able to relsove his problem. But keep in mind that even he says he had it working just fine at one point in time. This suggest that perhaps... something has changed on his system(driver-wise or perhaps something has become corrupted for instance), some piece of his hardware might be starting to go on the fritz,...

Well that's right, I am a jackass and like a kid throwing a fit I took my frustration out on EA/DICE for something that turns out not to be their fault. Like I mentioned in earlier posts about all the things that I had tried, fixed, tweaked, patched, installed and the like. Not to mention all the "not very nice things I said about Battlefield 2". It turns out that,....are you ready?....It was my video card that was dying (which is now dead) that was causing all the problems, and [color=black]NOT[/color] their software. However, the reason I didn't suspect this to be the culprit earlier is because for some odd reason it would only hard-lock while playing BF2. Now, as of late, it started locking my system on just about any game I played. Then yesterday it wouldn't work at all. So out it came and I sent it back to PNY for replacement. So there you have it....I am a jackass, and apologies to all and special thanks to OneTinSoldier and MerrickDS!