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#1 14 years ago

:bows: :bows: :bows:

I know I have posted my wish lists on here before but I would give up all of my other requests for this one vehicle

Please consider putting the P-400 Airacobra in a later version of FH puppyeyes:

Reasons: It was used heavily by the Russians on the Eastern front and together with the P-40's were the workhorses in the Pacific til the P-38 took over early in 1943.

And please dont say you wont because it sucked

Russians considered it an excellent energy fighter and a more manouverable fighter than the Me-109, especially in the vertical and was flown right up til the end of the war.

And the P-39 was also a very capable against the FW-190.(BTW Russian pilots considered the FW-190 a very deadly opponent). Some German pilots have said the P-39 was a dog but Russian pilots prasied it. Alexander Pohryshkin flew his P-39 right up til the end of the war, often flying it instead of the the La-7 he was assigned.

Russian P-39's were made lightweight by removing the underwing 12.7mm gun tubs, the 4 x 7.62mm wing guns, and all non essential equipment and only carried the 2 x 12.7mm MG's in the nose and either a 37mm cannon or a 20mm cannon depending if it was a P-39 or the British version, the P-400.

Contrary to poular belief the Russians used it almost exclusively as a air-superiority fighter and not for ground attack.

Russia had approx 178 P-39 aces. Many like Alexandr Pohryhskin, Boris and Dmitri Glinka, Alexandr Klubov, and Grigorii Rechkalov were aces many times over flying P-39.

And despite the experts statements about how bad the P-39 sucked in the Pacific the P-39 actually had a better kill to loss ratio than the P-40 in the Pacific.

Please make the P-39 for FH available in a later update.




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#2 14 years ago

Personally, I'd perfer to see the KingCobra, but I'd settle for the AirCobra (or "Little Shaver" as the Russians called it) as long as it carries it's one 500lb bomb.

It could be used in some Brit maps too, they had a few and called it the Caribou. Here's a little pic for you of the P-39 in Russian colors: airacobra.jpg




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#3 14 years ago

Brits hated the Airacobra with a passion and only used it in a few hops over to France and didnt  like the high altitude performance or lack therof. The Brits gave almost every one of their P-39's, designated the P-400, to the Russians. Of course they were comparing it to the Westland Whirlwind and the Spitfire. IMHO two of the best early war fighters Britain had available.

And that is a common misconception that the Russians used the P-39 for the ground attackrole. It was used almost exclusively as a air superiority fighter.

Since majority of air combat on Eastern front took place below 5,000 ft the lack of a supercharger was not a problem and the P-39's slippery shape gave it excellent speed down low and caused it to bleed off energy from drag at a lesser rate than alot of other fighters.




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#4 14 years ago
Anlushac11And that is a common misconception that the Russians used the P-39 for the ground attackrole. It was used almost exclusively as a air superiority fighter.

As I mentioned earlier, the Russian nick-name for the P-39 was Britchik ("Little Shaver"). This was in reference to it's ground attack function. "Shaving" was a Russian slang term for low-level strafing.




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Cpl. MercutioAs I mentioned earlier, the Russian nick-name for the P-39 was Britchik ("Little Shaver"). This was in reference to it's ground attack function. "Shaving" was a Russian slang term for low-level strafing.

May I direct your attention to this...

"The myth regarding the employment of the Airacobra in the Soviet VVS almost exclusively as a "shturmovik" [ground-attack aircraft] is widespread in Western literature (W. Green, P. Bowers, E. McDowwell). This myth arose out of an insufficiency of information: both Soviet official and memoir sources were carefully screened by Glavlit [political censorship overseeing publication of all printed material in the USSR] and stood on the "only believable" conceptual positions, and almost until the 1970s attempted to conceal any information about Kittyhawks, Cobras, and Hurricanes, as though they almost never existed. This phenomenon was very astutely expressed by Larry Bell as far back as 1944 when in a conversation with Soviet test pilots he said, "I have sent you three thousand airplanes and I could just as well have thrown them into Lake Ontario! I know nothing about them, how they are fighting, and if your men are satisfied with them!"

With the release in the late 1960s of A. I. Pokryshkin's "The skies of war", one of the starkest books about pilots in war, translated into many foreign languages, the situation regarding the Airacobras was somewhat clarified. However (nature abhors a vacuum), now Western authors have taken up "class positions". From the description of hundreds of aerial combats they have selected only a small period and have advanced a new myth: the "Russians", it seems, successfully employed the Airacobra only against slow-moving transports and aging bombers. This was an introduction to the tale and the tale is forthcoming."

I recommend that you read the rest of the transcript from a P-39 book written by a Russian. http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/romanenko/

Secondly you might chance a read of the Osprey book "Aircraft Of The Aces #36. Airacobra Aces of WW2."

Im not saying the Airacobra never engaged in air to ground operations. Im am saying that the Airacobra was employed by the Soviets with the intent purpose of being a air superiority fighter.




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Anlushac11Im not saying the Airacobra never engaged in air to ground operations. Im am saying that the Airacobra was employed by the Soviets with the intent purpose of being a air superiority fighter.

It may have been deployed as an air superiority fighter, but was ill-suited to the task, especially because it lacked the supercharger of the early test models and had poor performance at high altitudes (above 17,000 ft.). This was a major reason the US sent almost half of the P-39's they produced to Russia. The aircraft was far better suited to it's ground-attack role and was subsequently used as such by the Russian pilots. They realized what it was best at - "Shaving". It's guns and cannon could be used quite effectively against soft to medium armoured ground targets, and the 500lb bomb was an effective "tank buster".




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Please read the information or reasearch the info before responding.

The P-39 was used almost exclusively as an air superiority fighter. The Russians had 29,000 Sturmoviks and numerous Pe-2 light bombers, they didnt need the P-39 for ground attack.

The P-39 was being used as a air superiority fighter up until the end of the war. Even Pohryshkin kept his P-39 and was still flying combat missions in May of 1945 in his P-39 AND NOT HIS LA-7 FIGHTER.

Pohryshkin had 59 aerial victories, almost all of them in the P-39.

Grigorii Rechkalov had 56 aerial victories, almost all of them in P-39's.

Nikolai Gulalev has 57 aerial victories, all of them in P-39's

They didnt get those doing ground attack. If you bother to read up on their histories you will see that many were intercepting German bombers and fighters.

You dont seem to realize or unwilling to accept that the vast majority of aerial combat on the eastern front occured below 10,000 ft and the majority of that was below 5,000 ft. The Luftwaffe and VVS on the Russian front were tactical air forces. Their operations revolved around tactical operations in support of ground forces or protecting the aircraft occupied in supporting ground forces.




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I does appear that the Aircobra was a decent fighter at low altitudes, even against Bf-109's. Looking further, the book "Attack of the Aircobras" by Dmitriy Loza backs this up. However, this all came from my asking for it to carry a bomb, for god's sake. It could carry a bomb, it was good against tanks, so what's the problem? Let the aircraft have a bomb and then once it's droped it can go shoot down all the Bf-109's and FW-190's it can find. In the context of the game it would make sense.




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Cpl. MercutioI does appear that the Aircobra was a decent fighter at low altitudes, even against Bf-109's. Looking further, the book "Attack of the Aircobras" by Dmitriy Loza backs this up. However, this all came from my asking for it to carry a bomb, for god's sake. It could carry a bomb, it was good against tanks, so what's the problem? Let the aircraft have a bomb and then once it's droped it can go shoot down all the Bf-109's and FW-190's it can find. In the context of the game it would make sense.

LOL in all fairness any fighter in FH that might have a 37mm cannon in the nose will be used for tank busting whether I want it to or not.




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#10 14 years ago

I found a little something else on this nice site about the Aircobra. "Part of the confusion is due to the fact that the Soviets used the term "ground support" to include not only ground attack in the western sense, but also air coverage of their own troops, interception of German recon and spotting missions, and any other air combat mission in immediate support of their ground forces, including escort of Il-2s. Of course, it is true that during the course of the war Soviet Cobra units did conduct many ground attack missions, but so did every other fighter used at the front." source: http://oksquad.free.fr/bells.htm P-63_P.jpg I guess this makes sense, if the the aircraft was multi-functional, they would use it for every task it could perform, and then some.




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