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Ionized

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#1 15 years ago

FH has Wellingtons, B17s, B25s, Ar134s(did I say that right) etc but the RAFs greatest bomber is still missing the Avro 683 'Lancaster' The Avro 683 was the only bomber in WW2 that could carry the 22,000lbs 'grand slam' bomb as well as ground penetrating(12,000lb), bouncing bombs(like the ones used in the dam busting operations),'cookies'(4,000lbs), a whole load of other bomb types including 18,000lbs and smaller less destructive bombs. 4 Rolls Royce merlins are also a good thing about the 683 From what I've heard .6 doesn't have it (I still haven't gotten my 56k modem to download 0.6 though) Also I was wondering what should be done about the gliders that were used by the british (Horsa, Hamilcar etc) becuase they would be quite hard to add becuase a larger plane would have to tow them and it would require some new flight characteristics to be programmed, and I do do abit of programming (c++) so know how hard that could be to get working. Further more the Halifax was the only plane capable of towing the massive Hamilcar glider that carried light armor(eg Tetrach light tank) inside it and the Horsa glider was used for transport and paratroopers. These are only suggestions, please don't think that I'm critising you for not currently having them. You are doing an awesome job with FH




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#2 15 years ago

I don't think any high altitude level bomber should be in FH. Nothing pisses me off more than to be dive bombed by a b17 that's flying 20 feet high and bombing individual tanks one by one.




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#3 15 years ago

683s flew quite low to drop those bouncing bombs on the dam busting raids, and FH has plently of other "high altitude bombers" (B-17s etc) Heavy bombers are apart of FH and Bf1942 already and that's what the 683 (Lancaster) is, a heavy four engined bomber.




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#4 15 years ago

Yes, I know that they already have some in the game. I still hate it.

And anyways, shouldn't they be targetting important locations like factories or bridges rather than targetting my single unimportant panzer?




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#5 15 years ago

Get used to them, the germans have better tanks and the allies have these. and your panzer is hardly unimportant. The UK kind of needs this weapon to deal with tiger2s that have just showed up anyway.




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#6 15 years ago

Give me some sort article or whatever of a lancaster hunting down tiger 2's in a battlefield and I'll support having the lancaster in the game all the way.

This is a realism mod, YOU get use to it.




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#7 15 years ago
GuRu10Yes, I know that they already have some in the game. I still hate it. And anyways, shouldn't they be targetting important locations like factories or bridges rather than targetting my single unimportant panzer?

Agreed.:agreed And yes, using high altitude bombers like the Lancaster should be in objective based maps. lol, have yo guys ever tried carpet bombing a single german soldier on El Alamein?:)




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#8 15 years ago

Okay on second though as you said it would be better for 4 engined bombers to focus on bridges and stuff as well as that it would be more historically accurate. So all 4 engined bombers including B17s would be better used in bombing an objective

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Map where RAF has to bomb a target(s) which could be bridges etc, start off with Lancasters and planes (spitfires) to escort them. The Luftwafte(or whatever its called) have to stop the RAF's bombers from unloading their bombs on target(s) and so have FW-190s, Bf-109s etc, to get the bombers with. Night action could also work with nightfigthers and the Lancasters were fitted with centrimetric radar to pick up nightfighters.

This is similar to the battle of britian map. Medium bombers (B25, Vickers Wellington etc) should not be used in this way though as they were deployed to drop bombs on enemy troop concentrations and enemy armor concentrations(tiger2s and stuff), but even if I'm bombing in a meduim bomber I always attack a cluster of enemy tanks as was historically done and I can prove that 'Vickers Wellingtons' did this if you really want. A map based on the Dam Busting raids would be quite cool This should keep everyone happy as well as any historians

As for countering Tiger2s, just make sure the UK has those Tyhpoon planes and/or Hurricane mk2D .mk2D is a version designed for ground attack after the hurricane had been taken out of service as a fighter and had a 40mm AT gun under each wing(called Vickers 'S' guns I think), sort of like the stuka version that had a 37mm AT gun under each wing. Or if the 'Comet' tank was introduced that could even things up abit more (that has already been talked about on a thread a while ago though)




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#9 15 years ago

Wasnt there a Lanc in El Alamein early but taken out? I havent played much in other mods so it could have been a different mod but I remember seeing a Lanc in El Alamein map.

The B-17 in early Pacific maps is correct and it was used in the role it is being used in, but it was decided it was needed more in Eurpoe so when the Pacific Theatre B-17's were gone there were no more.

The role was taken over by B-24's and US Navy PB4Y-1 Privateers (USN version of B-24 with non turbocharged engines and later model had B-17 style tail).

I personnally feel that Strategic bombers have no place in FH except for the B-17 in the Pacific.

Instead of the BUFF's FH needs Bristol Beaufighters, Douglas A-20 Havocs, Ki-45 Toryu, PV-2 Harpoon, Lockeed Hudson, etc.

The light and medium tactical bombers would have been more common to the front line troops than the BUFF's cruising over at 30,000ft. The use of heavies in a tactical role was very rare in Europe and was only used for special operations.

Also the Betty has the parachute bombs and I have no problem with that but the B-25 should get parabombs as well. They were especially used in the Pacific and CBI theatre.




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#10 15 years ago

The Avro Lancaster was the most used bomber in WW 2. I can´t see why we should not have it, as long as we still have strategic bombers...




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