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Formerly Human

PsP Leutnant for WaW Axis

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22nd November 2003

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#21 14 years ago

Thanks Black, I'll check it out, promise I wont tell anyone where to get it.

Prime Evil

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18th November 2003

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#22 14 years ago
Big {Daddy}I hate to be a party pooper, but the Germans invaded France through the Low Countries for the sole reason of not attacking the Maginot Line. They made small probing attacks on it, but never a full scale assault. In the end, the French defenders simply surrendered.

then im party pooper number 2 :D doesnt make too much sense having a map from a battle that never ever happened ;) well except from alpenfestung which is FUN :)


...burning angel wings to dust

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#23 14 years ago

Battles (or, at least skirmishes) did in fact occur along the Maginot Line... while the Germans were retreating from France. Just because there's no mention of a great battle along the Line in history books doesn't mean that it couldn't be built into a quasi-ficticious map featuring the Line...


Flying Ace

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#24 14 years ago

The Maginot Line was the biggest defensive laugh in history. Stoping 4009 miles short of the French border, the French military gambled that the Belgian military would mobilize to plug the gap. Belgium's neutrality for a while threw the French a curveball, and the entire garrison paraded down the Champs-Ely'sees (or whatever) completely unopposed. Fortress Eben-Emael needs a map. German glider troops and engineers in rubber rafts crossed to the fortress and captured it. The glider troops spiked most of the guns after a long firefight, rendering the fortress all but useless.

Count Nosferatu

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#25 14 years ago

I love it how people say "Appeasement, rubbish", "Maginot Line, joke" "Germany had loads of panzers so they won" and other shit like that without any knowledge.

Actually the Maginot Line was a very good strategic idea. It involved denying the Germans any space by sealing off the Alsace Lorraine region with a defensive fortification so big that strategists would think about bypassing the system and deliberately move elsewhere - where they would be subsequently fought and incapacitated by the French army. Obviously this was to pre-empt and counter both styles of invasion of French territory - the Alsace Lorraine way [as seen in 1870] and the Benelux way [as seen in the execution of the Schlieffen plan], as the former would be directly stopped in its tracks by fortifications too risky and time consuming to storm and the latter being prevented by a waiting and prepared French army.

HOWEVER the nature of the Line changed during the 30s after the creator died and divisions in the Third Republic deepened. Along with divisions concerning how to deal with bolshevism, facism, colonialism and German aggression came divisions as to the wall itself. Many military strategists who lacked Maginot and other's foresight instead believed that the Maginot line was the most effective way of defending France. Ultimately so did public opinion thus creating the myth of the invincible Maginot line - indeed even the Germans believed this in the 30s. Consequently, defense preparations were primarily dedicated to the question of reinforcing the line and not how to conduct elastic defense or envelopment or the initial plans of denying the Germans any space in the Alsace region and defending the approach to Paris. Thus instead of being a very valid move for a very valid strategy the line became a myth - a myth that involves it somehow miraculously defending France from anything Germany could throw.

Also, the myth that France surrendered when she didn't have to is also incorrect. When she did surrender it was more due to the fact that most of her valuable regions were already under control. France has the relative misfortune of having most of her industries in the coal rich regions of North and North West France. Lose these and you more or less lose any war. Which was why France fell during WWII and 1871 and not WWI. Ironically it was only after 1945, during a time where relatively peaceful economic expansion rather than military expansion was the theme, when France had the means to detach herself from her crippling demand of coal - nuclear power.