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the_move

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#1 16 years ago

I know it is not a very powerful tank, but...

1. The gun´s trajectory is even worse than from the Chi-Ha

2. Somehow the projetiles move slower than from other tanks. Where they really that slow.

In fact it fires like the Panzer 4 from Vanilla BF.




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#2 16 years ago

Depends on how the did muzzle velocities for this mod. 1/3, 1/4th or real or what. vanilla BF used roughly 1/10 velocities.

Here is a data table for German artillery of WW2.

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/germany/guns.html

The Panzer IVD was armed with the 7.5cm KwK 37 L/24 cannon.




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#3 16 years ago

It also goes pretty slow.

I know it was slow, but it could go over 20 km/h. And if FH it´s is almost as slow as infantry.




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#4 16 years ago

The PzIVD had a short gun meant to fire HE rounds it wasn't meant to engage other tanks. The Chi-Ha had a higer velocity gun iirc a 37mm or somethign similar.




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#5 16 years ago
PeoThe PzIVD had a short gun meant to fire HE rounds it wasn't meant to engage other tanks. The Chi-Ha had a higer velocity gun iirc a 37mm or somethign similar.

Yes it was, otherwise you design what is called an assault gun. Or the Stug , the Hetzer, the Elephant as the Germans assault guns where called. Those weren't meant to engage other tanks but rather infantry fortifications.




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#6 16 years ago
CraggerYes it was, otherwise you design what is called an assault gun. Or the Stug , the Hetzer, the Elephant as the Germans assault guns where called. Those weren't meant to engage other tanks but rather infantry fortifications.

uhmmmm you say that Hetzer ,Later Stug´s and Elephant/Ferdinand were not meant to engage tanks? :rolleyes:




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#7 16 years ago
CraggerYes it was, otherwise you design what is called an assault gun. Or the Stug , the Hetzer, the Elephant as the Germans assault guns where called. Those weren't meant to engage other tanks but rather infantry fortifications.

Guderian envisioned 2 types of tanks.

1 made for engaging other tanks this was the PzIII. 1 made for supporting infantry, this was the PzIV.




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#8 16 years ago

PeoGuderian envisioned 2 types of tanks.

1 made for engaging other tanks this was the PzIII. 1 made for supporting infantry, this was the PzIV.

The PIVD was equipped with

46 rounds of High Explosive 22 rounds of High Explosive Anti Tank 12 rounds of Armor Penetrating

The 7.5 cm KwK L24 loaded with K Gr rot Pz (HEAT) Ammo could outpenetrate the 3.7 cm Kwk L/45 loaded with PzGr (AP) Ammo at any range.

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/germany/guns.html

While the original role of this tank was the destroy of the opposing anti-tank weapons out of reach other German models. It thus acted in the beginning as a tank of support. However, it soon proved to be far more capable of dealing with heavily armored allied armor such as the Matilda 2, Char, A15s and such than the PIII could with its 3.7cm gun.




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#9 16 years ago

You don't want to engage a MatildaII with a PanzerIV equippped with a 75L24....

FH uses Half realistic muzzlevelocitiess. The 75L24 had a muzzlevelocity of between 385 and 450m/s, compared to 800 and more m/s on real tankguns. Original BFs muzzlevelocities are completely incorect. Not more to say about that.




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#10 16 years ago

Major HartmannYou don't want to engage a MatildaII with a PanzerIV equippped with a 75L24....

FH uses Half realistic muzzlevelocitiess. The 75L24 had a muzzlevelocity of between 385 and 450m/s, compared to 800 and more m/s on real tankguns. Original BFs muzzlevelocities are completely incorect. Not more to say about that.

At range sure you would. The 75L24 out ranged the 2 pounder of the Matilda 2. Coupled with the superlative German optics and sights it had a good chance.

I'm not saying it didn't have a 'lob' to it as it was an addapted howister gun. Its short barrel flat out meant a lower muzzle velocity than other weapons. But the shell itself packed alot more punch than a 3.7cm or 4 cm AP round.




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