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#1 16 years ago

Whats your ideas for variants of existing vehicles? The condifition is that the item must already be in-game in .65 and the variant must exist in rl. -What I am asking for here is idea's for variants of existing vehicles. The reason is that its a great way to get more milege out existing work and can make a old item feel like new without the level of work of a whole new in-game item. (among other advantages) -If you can please have a link or a pic so people don't have to go searching themselves if they don't know what your talking about. -An example of already done 'variants' (im using term loosely) would be the SAS jeep version of the regular jeep or even the firefly sherman. Anything from a different loadoat to something that just uses the same chassis (tracks and basic vehilse code etc.) I will suggest the opel blitz with the quad 20mm flak guns. Both these are already in the game so it would be a matter of combining them like the redone flak88 and halftrack setup. I think this would be good a great mobile aa unit as I am fan of the blitz and the quad AA. (problay decent against infantry too). heres a picture of the setup I found on one site as a model: http://www.track-link.net/gallery/860


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#2 16 years ago

Not requesting so much as just showing what could be done fairly easily.

Achilles Tank Destroyer - Brit M10 Wolverine with 17lbr gun http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/usa/med/m10/02935.jpg

M8 GMC - 75mm howitzer turret off Alligator on a M5 Stuart chassis. Technically it should be on a M5 STuart chassis but a M3 Stuart chassis could fill in. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/tam8-2.jpg

M32 ARV - Armored recovery vehicle Sherman. http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/FDm32.htm

Sherman or Ram Kangaroo - Turretless Sherman, Ram, or Priest used as a APC. http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/1cacr/m7_04.html http://www.1cacr.org/gallery.html

M20 Scout car - turretless M8 Greyhound equipped with a .50cal ring mount. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/m20_shaelterman.html

Opel Blitz radio truck http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/geblitz.htm

SdKfz 123 Luchs http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/sdkfz123luchs_sbarrett.html

SdKfz 234/4 8 Rad (turretless Puma with a 75mm PAK 40) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/bg234-4.jpg

SdKfz 234/1 (Puma body with SdKfz 222 turret) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/gb234.htm

SdKfz 251/9 "Stummel" (Hanomag with a 75mm L/24 howitzer)

SdKfz 251/22 Hanomag with 75mm PAK 40 http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/sdkfz251_meir.html

Late model IS-2 (sloped front hull instead of stepped front hull) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/russia/js2m_douglee2.jpg

T-34/76 with model 1943 turret http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/russia/mft34.htm

Churchill AVRE - Engineering Churchill with 290mm spigot mortar http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/britain/lpavre.htm

Recon Stuart - Turretless M5 Stuart with a .50cal mounted. Used by Polish armored units in 1945. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/allied/reccestuart_szaloga2.jpg

M4A1 cast hull Sherman - turret and suspension the same, just has rounded cast hull. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/szm4a12.htm

M3 GMC - 76mm gun on halftrack. Failure but was the US tank destroyer in North Africa. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/bbm3gmc.htm


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#3 16 years ago


SdKfz 234/4 8 Rad (turretless Puma with a 75mm PAK 40) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/bg234-4.jpg

SdKfz 234/1 (Puma body with SdKfz 222 turret) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/gb234.htm

SdKfz 251/9 "Stummel" (Hanomag with a 75mm L/24 howitzer)

SdKfz 251/22 Hanomag with 75mm PAK 40 http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/sdkfz251_meir.html

Yes! You read my mind man, especially the Hanomag versions. I would love to see more use out of these things.

Here are a few more versions to think about.

Sdkfz 251/2 80mm mortar carrier

SdKfz 251/10: 37mm self propelled gun

Sdkfz 251/16 flamethrower

Sdkfz 251/17 20mm flak 38

Sdkfz 251/21 Triple 15mm mg151/15 anti-aircraft vehicle

Here's the link for the 251/9 "stummel" since Anlushac's link didn't show up. Sdkfz 251/9 early verion of what Anlushac posted.


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#4 16 years ago

LVT(A)1: LVT with a modified Stuart turret. http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/ablvt.htm

Ferdinand: Elefant with modified front with no MG, and no cupola ontop http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/gdferd.htm (Should be used on Battle of Kursk maps not the elefant, that came later)

Sd.Kfz 140/1: Panzer 38(t) with a Sd.Kfz 222 Turret http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/cl140.htm

IL-2M3 37mm: IL-2M with a 37mm cannon in each wing.


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#5 16 years ago
HedgemusYes! You read my mind man, especially the Hanomag versions. I would love to see more use out of these things.

I agree! We need more variants of the 251! SdKfz 251/2 (mortar), 251/8 (medical support), 251/9 (short barreled gun), 251/22 (PaK 40) and 251/23 (SdKfz 222 turret)

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#6 16 years ago

Type 97 Chi-Ha: Version for early war maps, without "Shinhoto" turret and armed with short-barreled 57mm gun. http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/chi-ha.htm

Type 1 Ho-Ni: Open-top tank destroyer/self-propelled gun on Chi-Ha chassis with 75 or 105mm cannon. Closed variant (Ho-Ni III) was also made but in significantly lower numbers. http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/ho-ni1.htm http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/ho-ni2.htm http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/ho-ni3.htm

T-19 HMC: M3A1 with 105mm Howitzer, remember it on Bocage in 0.5 but don't know what happened to it. http://www.battlefront.co.nz/Images/american/US141.jpg

B-17G Flying Fortress Variant with two .50 cal machine guns in "chin turret". http://www.aerofiles.com/boe-b17g.jpg

Focke Wulf 190D9 "Long Nose" variant of existing FW190. http://membres.lycos.fr/amprilly/photos/galeries/avions/fw190d9-07.jpg


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#7 16 years ago
Anlushac11 SdKfz 123 Luchs http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/sdkfz123luchs_sbarrett.html

nah, it differs too much from the other panzer II's. A new model would be needed. pz2fdl.gif


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#8 16 years ago

Plenty of recovery tanks! Bergepanzer III, IV, V (panther) and also some tigers.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/Panzer3/Pz3%20Berge-1.jpg Bergepanzer III hauling a PzII

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Militaer/Philipp/BergepanzerIV.html Bergepanzer IV

http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Bergepanther-01.htm http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Bergepanther-01.htm http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/d/pz5/berg/berge.htm http://www.mf-panzermodellbau.de/bergepanther.htm Bergepanther

http://www.smallafv.nn.ru/gallery/IgorZatzepin_Bergetiger.html http://www.modelmecca.com/gallery/armor/jos28028.shtml Bergetiger

Flailing tanks (used by various allied countries during for instance D-Day to clear mines. http://www.d-daytanks.org.uk/articles/flail-tanks.html http://aec.middx.net/victory/032.htm

Why? Well, with proper, realistic equipment we can ditch the magic wrench, and we'll end up with a *great* looking battlefield. I first realized this playing Breaktrhough, i think in single player. I looked around, and i saw tanks - some abandoned, some not. They were just standing there. Burning. When I then thought about it I found it to be very cool. That was what happened in the real war - tanks that was disabled was abandoned, and some destroyed. It adds a lot of atmosphere seeing them, and combined with some other realistic additions which make each other possible we'll end up with an even better atmosphere, and atmosphere changes gameplay accordingly.

For instance: Adding Bergepanzers and removing wrench removes tank stealing because crew bails Tank spawn time should then be increased, making it unfeasible to destroy abandoned tanks, but rather let them stay, and rescue them. Especially if it the front has moved away, so that the tank is now in controlled territory. Increase loading time on tanks, so that they must consider whether the tank spotted is a threat or not. But, if this is implemented, then Increase practical fighting range, for instance by adding optics. Decrease turret rotation speed (a bit), but then Add commanders position

Now - why would any sane person drive a Bergepanzer on a pub? Because it makes you feel special! Makes you feel needed, that you're really helping the team, and the frequent requests for help gives great reputation. Good reputation gives certain liberties.

Also - the Bergepanzer could become one of the most important tanks on the entire battlefield. Of course, it should not instantly repair a tank, but maybe a bit faster than the wrench, but shorter range (just below the crane, operated by arrows)


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#9 16 years ago

ANYTHING with a flamethrower deserves to get in :) .

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#10 16 years ago

Hurricane Mk IID and IV: 40-mm

Another British fighter that saw extensive action during World War II was the Hawker Hurricane. Later variants included the Hawker Mk IID equipped with two 40-mm Vickers Type S cannons in addition to two Browning 0.303-inch machine guns. The 40-mm cannons had originally been developed during the 1930s as defensive armament for British bombers. However, the gun was later adopted for use in anti-tank and ground attack missions. The gun could carry either armor piercing rounds for anti-tank attacks or high explosive rounds for other ground attack duties. Weighing 295 lb (135 kg), the Vickers S gun could fire its magazine of 15 rounds, weighing 2.5 lb (1.13 kg) each, at a rate of 100 rounds per minute. The 40-mm cannons were carried one under each of the Hurricane's wing.

hurricane.jpg Hurricane Mk IID with a 40-mm Vickers S cannon under each wing

The Hurricane IID first saw action in North Africa beginning in mid-1942. The type achieved considerable success by striking 144 enemy tanks, of which 47 were destroyed, as well as 200 other vehicles. Losses to ground fire were severe given the Hurricane's lack of armor protection, but the type also saw success in southeast Asia using high explosive shells to attack Japanese transportation routes. An improved model was the Hurricane Mk IV carrying the same armament as the Mk IID but also capable of carrying two 500-lb bombs or up to eight rockets. AC-130: 40-mm