Anlushac11KV-85 and the IS-1 are two separate tanks.
The original KV-85 was a KV-1S hull with fillets added to the side to allow the KV-1 hull to accept the original IS-85 turret and the hull MG hole was welded over. It was decided that a larger gun was needed so the turret design was used for the T-34/85 instead and the rear turret MG was deleted.
The IS-1(IS-85) was a completely revised KV-85 hull with improved suspension and engine and also had a planetary gear transmission that improved turning and mobility and speed over the KV-1 series by 25%. I was also lengthened to accept an extra road wheel per side (6 instead of 5). The IS-1(IS-85) incorporated many elements of the improved ballistic shape of the KV-13 prototype hull but with thickened armor.
In fact 2 KV-1S tanks upgraded to 85mm gun and 2 IS-1 tanks were tested side by side and it was decided to put the KV-1S with the 85mm gun in production as a stop gap until the IS-1 could enter production. They were used in combat and were used up by Winter of 1943 when the IS-1 arrived.
The IS-1(IS-85) did have the 85mm gun but in a new cast turret and this tank was issued in small numbers in late 1943 but was considered undergunned especially now that the T-34/85 was on the way.
Late in 1943 the IS-1(IS-85) was upgunned with a 100mm gun(IS-100). This was also rejected as undergunned and in early 1944 the 122mm gun was installed and called the IS-1(122mm). It entered service at end of 1943 and saw action after first of year.
In spring of 1944 the hull was redesigned and improved and this was labelled the IS-2. Late in 1944 due to combat experience the IS-2 hull was further improved to increase protection and survivability and ease production. This is the model that is commonly referred to as the IS-2M by the West.
If anything, late version IS-2s should be in the new Berlin and Berlin Outskrits maps.
Anlushac11The IS-2 was last used in Military manuvers by the Odessa Military District in 1982. The Russian Army did not order the IS-2 removed from service til 1995.
I found this book, so I assumed the IS-2 went out of service in 1973.
Maybe you're thinking of the IS-3. That was a much more advanced tank.
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Even if I go with the low number 1982 which was when IS-2's were last seen operating with military units on manuvers The fact that the Army issued orders for their retirement from service in 1995 means someone was still using them.
The Russian Battlefield, a Russian not Western source, confirms my info. http://www.battlefield.ru/is2_2.html
"In the Soviet Army the IS-2 served for a very long time. They survived the IS-3 and IS-4. They were supposed to be replaced by the T-10 but that did not happen. In the 1970's they were used in the far east fortified sectors as pillboxes.
The Last time the IS-2 was used was in the Odessa Military District during manouveres. However the official order to remove the IS-2 from Military service was only issyed in 1995!" Take your pick, either date is well past 1973. I believe that the 1973 date is the last time the IS-2's saw combat in the middle East, not when they were retired from Military service.
Maybe you have problems ID'ing armor but I know very well the difference between a IS-2 and a IS-3.
if u cant tell the diff between a IS-2 and IS-3 u have a lot to learn.