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the_move

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#11 15 years ago

'LIGHTNING [NL']The B and D version in IL2 Sturmovik also use 2x 250kg and 1x 500kg. I don't think they made that up. Why wouldn't there be a 1000kg bomb?[/QUOTE]

Coz they got wrong info! Maybe from you!

Here:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ju87.html

[QUOTE=Großadmiral Dönitz]There was a 1000 kg bombm lsot the source though, but maybe 2 or 3 smaller bombs would be more useful?

There were 1000kg bombs, but not for the Stuka.




TheWharGoul

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#12 15 years ago

"Wings of the heavily laiden stuka's came on in wedge formation and unloaded their cargo's of destruction on the assembled tanks. Dark fountains of earth erupted skyward and were followed by heavy thunderclaps and shocks which resembled and earthquake. these were the heaviest, two tone bombs, designed for use against russian battleships, which were all the luftwaffe had to counter the russian attack." - Kharkov 1943 - Passage from "fighting In Hell" just thought it might be of value




Mazz

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#13 15 years ago

two tons is roughly 1000 kg so....... now im confused




Nijo

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#14 15 years ago

Afaik Rudel sank that russian battleship with a 1000kg bomb.




the_move

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#15 15 years ago
NijoAfaik Rudel sank that russian battleship with a 1000kg bomb.

Maybe a writing mistake. 1800kg! And definately there weren´t any Stuka with 3x500kg bombs.

Here I post it extra big now:

ju87a-1.jpg

Type: Dive bomber and ground attack Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG Crew: Two Models: A-0, A-1, & A-2 First Flight: November 1936 Final Delivery: 1938 Production: 262

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine: Ju 87A-2 Model: Junkers Jumo 210 Da Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One Horsepower: 680 hp Notes: Two-stage supercharger.

Fuel: Capacity: N/A Type: 87 Octane

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dimensions: Wing span: N/A Wing Surface Area: N/A Length: N/A Height: N/A

Weights: Empty: N/A Loaded: N/A Performance: Maximum Speed (unloaded): Ju 87A-0/1: 199 mph Maximum Dive Speed: Ju 87A-0/1: 279 mph Cruise Speed: N/A Range (no bomb load): Ju 87A-0/1: 620 miles Initial Climb: N/A Endurance: N/A Service Ceiling: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armament: Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns in wings. One 7.92mm MG 15 machine gun in rear cockpit.

Bomb Load: One 551 lb. (250 kg) bomb on centerline*. *One 1,102 lb. (500 kg) bomb could be fitted if no gunner was carried.

Comments: This was the first production version of the Stuka. Relatively underpowered, it could only carry the rated 1,102lb bomb load by leaving the rear gunner behind. The most notable cosmetic features are the "trousered" landing struts, square rudder, and small radiator housing. Three Antons served with the Condor Legion in Spain, problems revealed there were essential in the developement of the Berta. Other than these three examples, none saw combat. Most Antons were assigned to home based units and used for training in 1939. An unknown number of Antons were supplied to the Hungarian Air Force for use in the training role.

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ju87b-1.jpg

Type: Dive bomber and ground attack Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG Crew: Two First Flight: August 1938 Final Delivery: 1941

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine: Ju 87B-1 Model: Junkers Jumo 211 A Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One Horsepower: 1,100 hp

Ju 87B-2 Model: Junkers Jumo 211 Da Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One Horsepower: 1,200 hp

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dimensions: Wing span: 45 ft. 3¼ in. (13.8m) Wing Surface Area: N/A Length: 36 ft. 5 in. (11.1m) Height: 12 ft. 9 in. (3.9m)

Weights: Empty: 6,080 lbs. (2750 kg) Loaded: 9,371 lbs. (4250 kg) Performance: Maximum Speed: 242 mph (390 kph) Cruise Speed: N/A Range (With Bomb Load): 373 miles (600 km) Initial Climb: N/A Endurance: N/A Service Ceiling: 26,250 ft. (8,000m)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armament: Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns in wings. One 7.92mm MG 17 machine gun in rear cockpit.

Bomb Load: One 1,100 lb. (500 kg) bomb on centerline. Four 110 lb. (50 kg) bombs on wing racks.

Notes: The Berta evolved in an attempt to solve the problems discovered in the disappointing performance of the Anton. The primary difference was the installation of the Junkers Jumo 211 A engine, which was rated at 1,100hp. This gave the Ju 87B the necessary power to be a truly effective dive-bomber. The cowling was redesigned to allow for this installation and included the shifting of several support systems and a larger, rounder radiator bath. Another feature that was a completely redesigned of the landing struts. Gone were the ungainly trousers and in there place were much more aerodynamically efficient spats. Also introduced was an automatic pull-out device to prevent pilots that blacked out during a being rudely awakened by an untimely impact into the terrain. Five Ju 87B-1's flew with the Condor Legion and completely eclipsed the Antons performance, thus securing for itself a place in the RLM's tight production schedule. The Berta was developed into several different versions including the Trop version used by the Afrika Corps and the long ranged R version that was equipped with "strap-on" fuel tanks. The Berta served with distinction in the Polish invasion but revealed severe vulnerabilities a year later during the Battle of Britain, forcing them to be withdrawn to theatres where the Luftwaffe enjoyed some sort of air superiority. The Berta served throughout the war, mainly on the Eastern front and with various airforces, including the Slovakian, Romanian, Hungarian and Italy's Regia Aeronautica. The Berta was also used as the basis for the C variant which was being developed as a carrier based dive bomber. The C variant was cancelled when it was realized that the Berta's airframe was obsolete.

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ju87c-1.jpg ju87c-2.jpg

Notes: The C model was developed from the Ju 87B for use on Germany's planned aircraft carrier, the Graf Zepplin. The main differences from the B model was the inclusion of a tail hook, folding wings and jettisonable landing gear for ditching at sea.

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ju87d-1.jpg

Type: Dive bomber and ground attack Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG Models: D-1, D-5, & D-7 Crew: Two First Flight: 1940 Final Delivery: 1944 Production: N/A

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine: Ju 87D-1 & Ju 87D-5 Model: Junkers Jumo 211J Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One Horsepower: 1,300 hp

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dimensions: Wing span: Ju 87D-1: 45 ft. 3¼ in. (13.8m) Ju 87D-5: 50 ft. 0½ in. (15.25m) Wing Surface Area: N/A Length: 36 ft. 5 in. (11.1m) Height: 12 ft. 9 in. (3.9m)

Weights: Empty: Typical: 6,080 lbs. (2750 kg) Ju 87D-1: 8,600 lbs. (3900.89 kg) Loaded: Ju 87D-1: 12,600 lbs. (5720 kg) Ju 87D-5: 14,500 lbs. (6585 kg)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Performance: Maximum Speed: Ju 87D-1: 255 mph (408 kph) Ju 87D-5: 250 mph (402 kph) Cruise Speed: N/A Range (With Bomb Load): 620 miles (1000 km) Initial Climb: N/A Endurance: N/A Service Ceiling: 24,000 ft. (7320m) Armament: Ju 87D-1 & Ju 87D-5: Two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns in wings. One 7.92mm MG 81 twin barrel machine gun in rear cockpit.

Ju 87D-7: Two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in wings. One 7.92mm MG 81 twin barrel machine gun in rear cockpit.

Bomb Load: One 3,968 lb. (1800 kg) bomb on centerline.

Notes: With the development of new attack aircraft proceeding slowly, it was decided to put a improved version of the successful Ju 87 into production, thus the Dora was born. The Dora's were without a doubt the prevailing type later in the war and a dozen versions were produced or planned. Most versions incorporated mainly engine, armament and armor changes but several version stand out. The D-3 was at one time modified to carry two personel pods attatched to the upper wings. These parachute delivered pods were, if successful, to be used for the delivery of clandestine agents. The D-4 was modified to carry torpedoes. A D-1 was modified and redesignated a Ju 87E, a ill-fated attempt to breath life into the doomed carrier based dive bomber project. D-7 and D-8 versions were modified for night harrassment dutied. The single most successful version was the Gustav.

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ju87g-1.jpg

Type: Dive bomber and ground attack Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG Models: G-1 Crew: Two First Flight: N/A Final Delivery: N/A Production: N/A (5,609 of all models)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine: Model: Junkers Jumo 211J Type: Water-Cooled Inverted V12 Number: One Horsepower: 1,300 hp

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dimensions: Wing span: 50 ft. 0½ in. (15.25m) Wing Surface Area: N/A Length: 36 ft. 5 in. (11.1m) Height: 12 ft. 9 in. (3.9m)

Weights: Empty: 6,080 lbs. (2750 kg) Loaded: 14,500 lbs. (6585 kg) Performance: Maximum Speed: 250 mph (402 kph) Cruise Speed: N/A Range: 620 miles (1000 km) Initial Climb: N/A Endurance: N/A Service Ceiling: 24,000 ft. (7320m)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armament: Two 37mm BK (Flak 18 or Flak 36) Cannon in underwing pods. One 7.92mm MG 81 twin barrel machine gun in rear cockpit.

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MkH^

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#16 15 years ago

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"23 Sep, 1941 It was the famous Stuka-ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel who deliverd the striking blow to Marat on the 23d of september. His gunner reported back to Rudel seconds after he released the bomb that the "ship is blowing up, you got her". The 1000kg bomb fell down the "steamtower" and exploded inside the ship. Rudel thus also destroyed a battleship in addition to the hundreds of tanks he hit in the war."

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You sure your resources aren't wrong, the_move?




Nijo

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#17 15 years ago

Yea in his biography Rudel clearly states it was a 1000kg bomb. Can't quote now tho, since i'm at work.




Mast3rofPuppets VIP Member

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#18 15 years ago

Ive never heard of 1000kg bombs, only 1800kgs (I loved them in Aces High)




LIGHTNING [NL]

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#19 15 years ago

Just because one site says it's 1800kg, does that mean there is no such thing as a 1000kg bomb?

I found a lot of sites that said the stuka used 1000kg bombs. Also I find it very dubious as game like IL2 Sturmovik got something like this wrong, seeing as they use original blueprints for their models and such...




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#20 15 years ago

the_move, i also doubt that there were no stukas with a 1000kg bomb load. even luftarchiv.de talks about it, a very serious source of information. besides, i think argueing about the real bombload is senseless, we all know that we need different stuka versions in fh in future releases. maps with stukas with 2x250kg or 5x100kg or whatever, i dont know the exact load. dont u agree on that ? i believe the stuka in fh is just a little test with a 1000kg bomb, because every other stuka was replaced with this one (except the kanonenvogel). im sure we will see the other with 3 or 5 little bombs again in the next release.