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hemaworst

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#1 16 years ago

The t-34/85 was introduced in 1944. So remove it from levels before 1944.




Cragger

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#2 16 years ago

Wrong.

T-34/85 was first brought into the battlefield in Winter of 1943 in limited numbers, right as the German's where losing their foothold on the Eastern front. Full fledge battallians where fielded in 44.

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1943: 283, 100 1944: 11,778, 11,000 1945: 7,230, 18,330

The first numbers are for units produced West of the Urals by companies such as Stalingrad Tractor Factory and Kharkov Locomotive Factory premove. The second number is units produced East of the Urals in Tankograd.




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#3 16 years ago
CraggerWrong. T-34/85 was first brought into the battlefield in Winter of 1943 in limited numbers, right as the German's where losing their foothold on the Eastern front. Full fledge battallians where fielded in 44. T-34/85 Production 1943: 283, 100 1944: 11,778, 11,000 1945: 7,230, 18,330 The first numbers are for units produced West of the Urals by companies such as Stalingrad Tractor Factory and Kharkov Locomotive Factory premove. The second number is units produced East of the Urals in Tankograd.

What about intoducing the KW-85 as a russian early heavy tank in the mod? It was was produced since 1943 and had much more armorprotection (75-110mm) than T34-85.




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#4 16 years ago
-rincewind-What about intoducing the KW-85 as a russian early heavy tank in the mod? It was was produced since 1943 and had much more armorprotection (75-110mm) than T34-85.

it would be kind of wasteful. Only 130 were produced between september and november 1943. The Russians simply had a period of around a year when they lacked a tank with a really effective gun. The KV-1 in its various versions was their heavy tank up till this time. Very well armoured, but it still had that against Tigers quite useless 76.2mm.




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#5 16 years ago
Witch Hunter Generalit would be kind of wasteful. Only 130 were produced between september and november 1943. The Russians simply had a period of around a year when they lacked a tank with a really effective gun. The KV-1 in its various versions was their heavy tank up till this time. Very well armoured, but it still had that against Tigers quite useless 76.2mm.

Then put in the KV-1 as heavy sovjet tank. It was produced since 1940, i think. And next to the T34/85 the IS-2 should be introduced. It saw first action in Febuary 1944 in the battle of Korsun-Schewtschenkowski and 2.200 were produced till the end of 1944.




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#6 16 years ago
hemaworstThe t-34/85 was introduced in 1944. So remove it from levels before 1944.

The Hailar map, unless it's a hypothetical later battle, has to have taken place in 1939, during the short war fought between the Japanese and Soviets over Mongolia. Shouldn't be any T34s of any kind in that. Also, the Japanese are still using Wespe's and German APCs. I am guessing that the team will be replacing vehicles with historically appropriate ones, as they become available--like putting the King Tigers into the Bulge map.




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#7 16 years ago
StrangerThanFictionThe Hailar map, unless it's a hypothetical later battle, has to have taken place in 1939, during the short war fought between the Japanese and Soviets over Mongolia. Shouldn't be any T34s of any kind in that. Also, the Japanese are still using Wespe's and German APCs. I am guessing that the team will be replacing vehicles with historically appropriate ones, as they become available--like putting the King Tigers into the Bulge map.

Wrong....

The Japs and the Russians fought in Manchuria during 1945 right before the Japs surrendered.




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#8 16 years ago
StrangerThanFictionThe Hailar map, unless it's a hypothetical later battle, has to have taken place in 1939, during the short war fought between the Japanese and Soviets over Mongolia. Shouldn't be any T34s of any kind in that. Also, the Japanese are still using Wespe's and German APCs. I am guessing that the team will be replacing vehicles with historically appropriate ones, as they become available--like putting the King Tigers into the Bulge map.

Hailar takes place in Manchuria in 1945. The Soviets invaded China and fought off the Japanese troops based there after they finished with Germany.

Some cool stuff did go down in 1939, though, such as the Battle of Khalkin-Gol. I've been pushing for the FH team to add that map in.




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#9 16 years ago

In Manchuria, the Soviets forced practically the same amount of Japanese casualties in a 3 week campaign as did the US in a 4 year war. 1.2 million surrenders + other casualties as compared to the 1.3 million casualties forced by the US.




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#10 16 years ago

Yes, but in all reality the Soviets waited until the last possible time to attack the Japanese to grab the Manchurian peninsula. It wasn't for any other reason they could have cared less to help the US vs Japan and wouldn't have taken part in a Japanese homeisland invasion.

The Japanese cornered on the Manchurian peninsula lacked armor, equipment, aircover, and where still locked in a bloody struggle with Chinese resistance at that time.

Tactically and strategically it was a great move, but don't fool yourself. Stalin did it for Russia and Russia alone an not for anything to do with assisting the United States and Great Britian. The war in Europe was won, all the allies realized this and that they would now be facing each other down across silent guns.




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