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(EM)Lord_Vader

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#1 16 years ago

(Front Armor)

FH M10 3,25 inches (very weak armor) real 2.00 inches

FH Sherman 2,5 inches real 5.51 inches

FH Priest 0,5 inches real 2.55 inches

FH Panzer II 14,5mm real 30mm

FH Panzer IV D 30mm real 30mm

FH Panzer IV H 80mm real 80mm

FH Tiger 102mm real 100mm

FH Jagdpanzer IV 70mm real 80mm

FH Wespe 20mm real 18mm

FH Crusader Tank MK3 51mm real 32mm

FH Matilda II 75mm real 75mm

FH T-34/76 52mm real 45mm

FH T-34/85 90mm (new Turret but old Hull) real 45mm




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#2 16 years ago

Originally posted by (EM)Lord_Vader (Front Armor) FH M10 3,25 inches (very weak armor) real 2.00 inches FH Sherman 2,5 inches real 5.51 inches FH Panzer II 14,5mm real 30mm

Sorry, I have checked different sources and these are the actual Armorvalues. If you have not realized: The Armor of the Panzer II is that of the A-C version!

The Sherman's (M4, M4A1, M4A2, M4A3, M4A4, M4A6) armor Hull Front, Upper is 2" (2-4") and Hull Front, Lower 1.5-2" (2-2.5")




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#3 16 years ago

hades allready made us a f***ing good list ;)




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#4 16 years ago

Originally posted by FH_Hades Sorry, I have checked different sources and these are the actual Armorvalues. If you have not realized: The Armor of the Panzer II is that of the A-C version! Oha... so thats ok. :) I used the armor from Panzer II F The Sherman's (M4, M4A1, M4A2, M4A3, M4A4, M4A6) armor Hull Front, Upper is 2" (2-4") and Hull Front, Lower 1.5-2" (2-2.5")

M4A3(76) "Easy Eight" Hull Front 140mm 5.51180 Inches M-4A1 (76) "Sherman"Hull Front 62 mm-85mm 2.36220 Inches/3.14960 Inches

how dou you realized the effect of the angle of armoring?




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#5 16 years ago

You are preaching to a proselyte...

I know all this... but: BF engine doesn't know "angles" actually it only knows "front" "side" and "rear"... That's all...

BTW: What are your sources?




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#6 16 years ago

It seems that you could use a millimeter system.

Gun can penetrate 70mm armor, tank has 80mm armor no penetration. But crew could take a percentage damage from spalling.

Also BF engine cant do angles but there is a formula for angled armor value. As in front of T-34 has 45mm sloped armor. Its armor protection was the equivalent of 75mm of straight armor.

So where a tank has sloped armor give it armor value equivalent in non sloped armor.

Also your info on T-34/76 is both wrong and correct :)

T-34 hull was 45mm, the cast turret was about 52mm and the welded turret was about 55mm to 60mm.




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#7 16 years ago

If you could provide us with that formula we would be pleased.

Do you haven an URL where we can check it?




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#8 16 years ago

Originally posted by FH_Hades You are preaching to a proselyte... I know all this... but: BF engine doesn't know "angles" actually it only knows "front" "side" and "rear"... That's all... BTW: What are your sources?

www.panzerlexikon.de <-best side! www.waffenhq.de http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzer.htm

www.google.de ;)

Book: Deutsche Panzer im WK2 Panzer im WK2 etc..




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#9 16 years ago

Originally posted by FH_Hades If you could provide us with that formula we would be pleased. Do you haven an URL where we can check it?

I cant find the link that gave a reference.

Generally it depends on the amount of slope.




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#10 16 years ago

And this one.

In the first example a Panther with a 45 deg angle glacis plate gets about a 42% increase.

In the other example a Panther with a 55 deg glacis plate gets about a 75% increase.

So a T-34 with the front glacis of about 45 deg gets the same armor effect of about 65-70mm.

Consider that a KV had a front plate of 75mm thickness at almost vertical. This means the T-34 hull was almost as well protected as KV.Now consider that it became common to weld applique armor on T-34 hull and turret. This was especially common in Leningrad sector. A 10mm armor plate added to hull gave a value of 78mm.