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Ramcke

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#11 18 years ago

Italian Campaign:

- A better Monte Cassino Map - Gustav Line - Greece

Eastern Front:

- Sevastopol (Trenches, Pillbox)

North Afrika:

- Malta




Kämpfer

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#12 18 years ago

does anyone have any resources for Sevastopol, i did a few tries but didnt come up with anything useful so if i can get some info ill make it. id like to make a new Kursk but considering Blistex made one and it wasnt accepted i dont know if mine would either. Maybe ill try to make a redo kursk once and if ever i finish Sevastopol..




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#13 18 years ago

Since it was polish troops that captured Monte Cassino, not french, you would have include poland. How about a real winter-Stalingrad map with volga and the real objectives like the traktor factory, the big granary, the munitions factory etc? :naughty:




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#14 18 years ago

You mean a bigger non shitty Satlingrad? Sounds good to me !

Just a hint for people who like fighting in cities... take the PPSH41 whenever you can !




<RaA>Furnace

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#15 18 years ago

Battle of Sevastopol

The first attack on Sevastopol began on 17 December 1941. The Romanian 1st Mountain Brigade overran important defensive positions, permitting the advance of German troops from Balaklava. For this, maj. gen. Mihail Lascar was awarded the "Ritterkreuz". The assaults stopped on 26 December, because of the Soviet landing near Kerch. On 29 December they made another landing, at Feodosya, behind the German 46th Infantry Division. Through this action the Soviet High Command planed to trap Axis forces in the Kerch Peninsula.

To reestablish the situation, the Mechanized Detachment "Col. Korne" was sent immediately against the Soviet troops. In fact it was the only Axis mechanized unit in Crimea. Together with the Romanian 8th Cavalry and 4th Mountain Brigade, it attacked the Soviet 63rd and 157th Infantry Division, but they failed in front of superior armoured units. The German 11th Army suspended the siege of Sevastopol and reassigned troops to the Kerch front and by 15 January the front was stabilized. On 18 January Feodosya was retaken. In the same time, several battalions from the 4th Mountain Brigade and the German 170th Infantry Division annihilated a landing at Sudak (45 km west of Feodosya) inflicting 1,650 casualties to the Soviets.

then

On 8 May 1942 Operation "Trappenjagd" began. 5 German infantry divisions and the 22nd Armoured Division and the Romanian 7th Corps and 8th Cavalry Division (on 15 March 1942 all the Romanian cavalry and mountain brigades were transformed into divisions) had the mission to eliminate Soviet presence in Crimea.

so then

the German and Romanian troops began the final assault on Sevastopol (7 June - 4 July). The Mountain Corps (1st Mountain Division and 18th Infantry Division) attacked in the Yaila Mountains, between the German 54th and 30th Corps. They were joined after from 15 June by the 4th Mountain Division, which was assigned to the German 54th Corps. In front of the Mountain Corps there were the 25th Soviet Infantry Division and 79th Marine Brigade, fortified in caves. These natural shelters were invulnerable to artillery fire and air attack. Against fierce resistance, the Romanian units made constant advance and, on 11 June, the 1st Division occupied the "Zuckerhut" hill, thus securing the 30th Corps' right flank. On 25 June, the 18th Infantry Division and the 4th Mountain Division conquered the "Bastion II", the most important Soviet observation post. On 29 June, the 18th Division executed a diversionary attack on Severnaya Bay, while the German 54th Corps fell in the back of the Soviet forces.

As a result:

The Romanian troops were pulled out of the front line, because in got so narrow that the 30th and 54th Corps linked up. The 1st Mountain Division and 18th infantry Division annihilated the Soviet resistance around Balaklava and captured 10,000 soldiers. Only the 4th Mountain Division participated in the final assault on the city and was the first Romanian unit that entered the city together with the Germans. Between 7 June and 4 July 1942 the Romanian Mountain Corps lost 8,454 men. The fall of Sevastopol, the most important submarine base in the Black Sea, represented a serious blow to the Soviet Navy. Thus the attacks on Romanian convoys decreased and more supplies reached the front line.

source: http://www.wwii.home.ro/crimea.htm

Terrain Maps: (even tho these are about the crimean war it i dont think the terrain changed much...

Detailed area around the port:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/crimeamap/crimap3s.htm

larger general area:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/crimeamap/crim2s.htm

ill post more as i find it

something on one of the "Schwere Gustav"(80CM) that helped detroy fort siberia in this battle:

http://user.mc.net/~hawk/gustav.htm

Gustav and dora:

http://www.vlewis.net/dora.html




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#16 18 years ago

thats about all i could find on the web.....you may have to "hit the books" or maybe someone here can check their infinate library and provide more info.




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#17 18 years ago

found some more info:

Sevastopol - Operation Störfang 5rd June 1942

On June 5, Richthofen's units were taken off against Sevastopol. The great twenty-seven day battle against the strongest fortress in the world had begun. The VIII Fliegerkorps flew 1.000, 1.500 or 2.000 sorties daily. The German term for this non-stop air battle was "rollender Einsatz", or attack in waves. While the deadly rain of bombs fell from the sky above Sevastopol, German guns of every caliber hammered the enemy's system positions. The gunners sought out the enemy's emplaced batteries and fired round after round at the embrasures and armored cupolas of the concrete gun positions. It was a murderous overture. Never during the second world war, neither before nor after Sevastopol, was such a concentration of artillery forces employed on the German side. On July 3 it was over. Sevastopol, the strongest fortress in the world had fallen. On the desolate battlefield lay thousands of dead as well 467 guns, 758 mortars and 155 anti-tank and anti-aicraft guns. 90.000 Red Army soldiers went into captivity.

After his victory Erich von Manstein was promoted Fieldmarshall.

Manstein's 11th Army was now free for the big plan, for the offensive which was just geting under way against Stalingrad and the Caucasus




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#18 18 years ago

notes: after looking at lots of pictures of this area its rather rugged and hilly / coastal areas have lots of cliffs...reminds me of stretches of italy. its well vegatated.

Sevastopol: the city was heavily fortified with 3 defense rings of pillboxes and emplacements, not to 2 very well fortified hills 10-14 miles away. on the north side across the bay were several huge fortress'.

the first thing is to decide which version of sevastopol you want to make, it was attacked by the germans in 1941 at least 3 times before they finally won it over 6-7 months or the version of when the germans hastly retreated and the soviets won it back i think 10 months later>?....not sure of how long the germans actually hung on to it.

*** I HOPE Anlushac11 responds because his library seems very extensive =).

making a map i think could be approached 2 ways,

you can make a rather large rolling terrain map of the stretch of land from Balaklava to Sevastopol, with roads and the 2 well fortified hills and have one edge of the map be the beginning of the port city.

~OR~

you could concentrate on the port city itself, its rather large, has hills, and a huge bay with several fortress' around it.

I'm still looking for some good topo maps and maps that actually point out emplacements and details...but its hard.




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#19 18 years ago

OK last post :P,

i found this listing forces and plans...etc... altho its from a game magazine it may help a great a deal, it has a map as well:

http://www.magweb.com/sample/scou/stc71wh.htm

Assault on Korpetsch What of the battle itself? During the German Army Group South's advance on Sevastopol, in the Crimea, the 22nd Panzer Division was ordered to attack the village of Korpetsch as part of an effort to break the Soviets outer defense lines. Newly formed, this was to be the divisions first major combat

The force selected for the attack was the 204th Panzer Regiment, equipped with Pz 38(t)s, Pz IIfs, and Pz IVfs (known to most of us as Pz IVf1s), reinforced with a self-propelled antiaircraft company, a company of panzergrenadiers, and a company of motorized infantry (without transport). Fortunately, Oberst Koppenburg, commander of the 204th Panzer Regiment, provided in his narrative in Panzertruppen a detailed breakdown of his forces.

The Soviet forces are a bit more problematical and required a bit of homework, some common sense, and a pinch of guesswork (OK - a large dollop of the last) From Koppenburg's narrative, the counterattacking Soviet armored force (two groups of 10 mixed KV1s and T34s, and 25 - 30 light tank escorts) sounded a lot like a 1941 - 1942 vintage independent tank brigade's tank regiment.

Consulting Charles Sharp's books (see bibliography), it appeared that there were no Soviet tank corps in the area in March 1942 but that there were several independent tank brigades. Therefore the Soviet armor became a tank regiment. There were lots of Soviet infantry involved at various times during the attack, so, as independent tank brigades by this time typically supported infantry divisions, and there were lots of infantry divisions defending Sevastopol, I took Korpetsch to be part of one of defending Soviet infantry division's defense works. The specific regiments - the 15th Tank Regiment and the 263rd Rifle Regiment - I obtained from Charles Sharps works. They're speculative but plausible. The 263rd Rifle Regiment is, as may be noted, missing its third battalion - presumably elsewhere in the defense works.

Korpetsch lay on a relatively level area that slopes very gently from the German positions to the south to the Black Sea just to the north. I didn't include contour lines on any of the maps (they're in Panzertruppen, though, on page 225) because they were so gradual. The only two elevations on the game map are locations 28.2 and 19.8, rises noted by their slight (5 - 10 meters) elevation above the surrounding terrain and named after their elevation above sea level. A stream running north-south split the battlefield, but in Koppenburg's narrative, it was significant only in that it had a deep antitank ditch running down a fair portion of its length. He also commented that the antitank ditches were fairly impassable to German AFVs.

Note that in the following narrative and in the replays, because there're not that many formations on the tabletop and because (fortunately) the German and Soviet units don't share any designations, the first time I refer to a unit I'll fully designate it, e.g., 2/204th Tank Battalion, and thereafter I'll refer to it as the 2/204th, in the interests of saving space.

Dawn Breaks

With the breaking of dawn at 0455, the regiment started off towards Korpetsch in heavy fog at 0500, only 15 minutes after the last of the attack elements arrived at the staging area. From 0515 until 0530, the regiment regrouped in front of the German lines, trying to get organized enough to properly attack the town. The assault was re-launched at 0530, but due to the fog, the 204th Tank Regiments two battalions lost sight of one another and had only radio communications until later in the morning. A third formation, Battalion Collin (the 1/117th Tank Battalion, I think), was to assist in the attack but turned north too soon and missed the battle altogether.

When the attack went in at 0530, the plan was to advance to the northeast, turn left, and attack Korpetsch. By 0600, the 1/204th Tank Battalion, turning left too soon, had moved onto the track between Korpetsch and Tulumtschak, at which time what appeared to be a Soviet tank regiment attacked it from the northwest, first with light tanks, then with KV1s and T34s. Soviet artillery firing from several different locations joined in, pounding the 1/204th. The battalion commander pulled back to regroup while under ongoing attack by the Soviet tanks. The fog at this time still persisted. Note that when the 1/204th pulled back, the antitank guns manning the German lines thought the 1/204th was retreating, limbered up, and left themselves.

During the early confusion, the 1/129th Armored Infantry Company became separated from the 1/204th and linked up with the 2/204th Tank Battalion. The 2/204th, meeting no resistance, moved on as planned, toward Korpetsch, thinking that the 1/204th was in front of it. Via the radio, Koppenburg, whose regimental HQ was with the 2/204th, received word that the 1/204th had taken about 40% losses, was under heavy attack, and needed to pull back. Having already sent the 1/204th, the 2/204th's medium company in support, Koppenburg concurred, so by about 1000 the 1/204th had returned to the German jumping off point in the German lines, the Soviet forces apparently not pursuing.

Meanwhile...

Meanwhile, the 2/204th had advanced in the general direction of Hill 28.2, with the infantry, to Korpetsch, the 7/140th Infantry Company dismounting and occupying the entrenchment to the south of the town between 0630 and 0700. Scattered Soviet infantry forces were encountered and driven before the 2/204th. Soviet artillery arrived as the 2/204th arrived at Korpetsch and followed it as it moved around the town toward Hill 28.2. The 2/204th tried to cross the antitank ditch along the southwest bank of the stream, several tanks becoming stuck.

By 0730 the lead elements of the 2/204th reached Hill 28.2, at which time they were taken under fire by the rest of the battalion; due to damage to the battalion commanders vehicle radio, nobody knew he'd gotten as far as Hill 28.2, so his tanks were assumed to be Soviet. During this advance, several Soviet antitank guns were overrun in the entrenchment north of Korpetsch and a body of Soviet infantry was dispersed from the hill itself. During the advance the medium company rejoined the battalion. At about 0830, while the lead elements of the 2/204th consolidated their position, the Soviets launched an infantry attack from the area of Tulumtschak which was repulsed in the open.

Realizing that they couldn't attack Korpetsch across the antitank ditch they'd just crossed, and having no infantry on Hill 28.2 to support them, the 2/204th slowly withdrew south to the German lines. As the various elements of the 204th fell back to the German lines, Koppenburg was obliged to send the regimental adjutant to the rear to make clear that a large scale retreat was not underway and that a general retreat by the support elements was not appropriate.

By approximately 1030, most of the German units had regained their lines and the attack was over. German losses in vehicles included some 33 tanks out of the original 142 tanks involved, or about 23% losses.

I encourage you to read Koppenburg's account, in Panzertruppen. It gives a good idea of how badly muddled an attack can become.




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#20 18 years ago

shit man 5 posts :lol: new record or what ;)?