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Coolguy

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#21 18 years ago
Originally posted by BAMmeu shit man 5 posts :lol: new record or what ;)?

Nono, when taranov post it's like 15 posts in a row :lol: :lookaround: :naughty:




Kämpfer

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#22 18 years ago

Well thank you Furnace ill begin making it today and was planning on doing the initial german attack on it. All of your sources should help, so ty for helping me.




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#23 18 years ago

I reread the posts, reassesed and will make Sevastopol which will include Balaklava(what was importance of this i didnt see it?) to Sevastopol. I will make it the June-July offensive. ill try to make three rings of fortifications around the city, with the city heavily fortified itself(?). The fortifications include pillboxes, trenches, MG, defgun, ect.(?). The germans will have planes, artillery, maybe a few tanks(?). terrain is hilly with cliffs around sea coast(?). Ok thats what ive kinda extracted so far. Is that right?




<RaA>Furnace

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#24 18 years ago

I was hoping you would go for the last post, which is the:

"Assault on Korpetsch"

since almost all of the info required to make it, is accurate and is provided, terrain, forces, features, etc...

You should take a good look at the maps if you want to go the "Balaklava & Sevastopol" route, they are on the Kerch pennisula, and that area between them is quit large, the coast swings out in a arc to the west, so a coast line along a whole edge of a map may be a bad idea due to size. You will need several fortified hills on this map, in addition to the pill boxes, empacements, and tank trenchs.

I beleive that German Naval Troops landed at Balaklava to swing from the south for an attack on Sevastopol, the major attacks from the Romainians and germans came from the north and northeast (sadly i cant find much info on this).

also of note Sevastopol was pounded by artillary for well over a month by the germans before is was taken.

Also it should be noted that the trenches in the area were almost always "tank trenches"......which means, tanks not able to cross there.

I know there is a IL-2Sturmovik scenario for this area so maybe the air forces can be look at in that game. I am also sure there is prolly a scenario for this in the latest Combat Mission game, sadly i dont have either one.

this map (balaklava & Sevastopol) will require lots of guessing due to the lack of info i have, and i have not seen any one else put up much......again you might try hitting amazon to get a name of a book you might find at the library.




<RaA>Furnace

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#25 18 years ago

Kamper, you may wanna post some q's to this thread about Sevastopol:

There is a "expert" on that area for WWII:

http://www.bfcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7411




<RaA>Furnace

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#26 18 years ago

Kampfer:

found some more info for you -

Map of sevastopol:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/sevsiegs.htm

Another Map:

http://www.multimap.com/wi/browse.cgi?client=public&X=3750000.87391929&Y=5525000.52008391&scale=200000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&coordsys=mercator&db=&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=

Railway gun in sevastopol:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/wwiirr41.htm

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/wwiirr42.htm

Some tanks and rocket trucks:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/sevas94.htm

some more tanks:

http://www.xenophongi.org/crimea/war/sevastopol/crim03.htm

here is a modern day pic of balaclava

http://www.cwreenactors.com/~crimean/r15-13.jpg

"1. Sevastopol under siege

By June 1, 1942, the German Eleventh Army surrounding Sevastopol was ready to assault the Black Sea port and end the frustrating siege, which had already dragged on for 30 weeks. The commander, General Erich von Manstein, had to hurry, for his troops were urgently needed elsewhere; yet he could not storm the city at the risk of losses that would weaken his army for the battles that lay ahead. So Manstein had decided to obliterate Sevastopol's three rings of tough defenses with an enormous artillery bombardment, and had borrowed guns from other armies to reinforce his own. As he later wrote, "At no other time on the German side can artillery ever have been more formidably massed.""

On June 2, Manstein gave the starting signal to his 208 batteries-1,300 barrels in all. His ring of guns erupted with a terrific concussive roar. The Luftwaffe joined in with round - the - clock bombing raids of several hundred planes. What Manstein called "a gigantic spectacle" was, to a Soviet observer inside the city, "a whirlwind of fire" in which "every meter of defended soil is fired on night and day." Sevastopol's air - raid sirens had sounded at the start of a Luftwaffe attack on June 1 and, recalled the mayor, "from then till the bitter end we never sounded an all clear."

But the city's defenders were braced for the onslaught. Crouched in forts and pillboxes and trenches were 106,000 Red Army troops, a force of Black Sea marines, and a horde of Komsomols-teen - age boys and girls from the Communist Union of Youth

Manstein's bombardment went on steadily for five days and nights. But when German infantry moved in, they "had the surprise of their lives, " a Soviet admiral recalled. "The supposedly dead trenches met them with a storm of deadly fire." It was July 3, almost a month later, before the last Soviet resistance was overcome. By then, to Manstein's dismay, the Eleventh Army had been so badly mauled that some divisions would be unable to go into combat again for weeks. And his enemies had gained, in Sevastopol's last - ditch stand, a legend that would inspire them throughout the rest of the War.

Heavy losses in surface ships led the commander of the Black Sea Fleet in April 1942 to order submarines to deliver munitions and food to Sevastopol, and to evacuate wounded troops as well as the remaining women and children. The largest available Soviet submarines of the Series XIII (L class) could carry up to 95 tons of cargo, while the smaller units delivered far less. Not only was every available space within the submarines used for cargo (including containers of gasoline), but cargo was loaded into torpedo tubes and mine chutes. Some 80 runs were made into Sevastopol by 27 submarines. They delivered 4,000 tons of supplies and munitions to Sevastopol's defenders and evacuated more than 1,300 persons. (Sevastopol fell on 3 July 1942 after a siege of 250 days.)

Interesting link on Soviet and American Submarine landing craft....

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_13/soviets_giants.html




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#27 18 years ago

for the arty fans... The Dora Shell! Make a headshot with it. Someones gonna lose their head over it!




Robthezombie/mk.2

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#28 18 years ago

I think they're gonna loose more than that !