Women fighting alongside in the Russian Front, Fact or Fiction ? -1 reply

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GirlsHateMe

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#1 12 years ago

COD 2 (SP) in the Russian campaign I notice there are some female soldiers fighting alongside with thier male soviet comrades in battle but I often wondered did it ever actually happened in real-life at all ? and how come the other countries didn't involve their opposite sex do the same thing ?




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#2 12 years ago

Fact - they did

The thinking behind it is the equality that the Soviet Union ascribed to its women. The social theory that was/is Communism saw all people as an equal part of society, and as such they conscripted women as well as men into the armed forces.

The reason other countries didnt have women fighting along side their men was because the equality of women is a more recent phenomenon in the West. Hence, women were never conscripted, or allowed to volunteer for service in the armed forces.




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#3 12 years ago

yes, But they only started conscripting women after the decided that they were loosing too many men. Many women fought in the war, and many died.




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#4 12 years ago

Not to be sexist but..

Evolution has made the Male species as a more physically built species.. made for hunting and venturing.. the Female species where made by Evolution to be a nuturer.. to stay back at their home and nuture the offspring.. etc etc..

Now in the army, a Male is more mentally strong.. dont get me wrong, a female can be trained to be just as mentally strong as a male.

Now, Another fall back about females is that they can get pregnant, if a male and female get together while in training camp.. which would happen.. the female can get pregnant and the army will lose another soldier..

Males also have a better muscle structure.. so when you physically train a male their body will start to build faster then what a females body would..

This is some of the reasons why TODAY's American Army doesnt accept Females into the Infantry division.. any other division they are accepted "helicopter pilot, artillery specialist, etc etc" but the Infantry is Male only..

and guys cmon, you working along a hot sexy female sweating looking all serious, wouldnt that be just a bit distracting? lmao




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#5 12 years ago

soviets did use women in their army because not because of equality but because of desperation the soviet union indeed was an Empire of Evil there were many female german pilots they were all aces but mostly they were test pilots




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#6 12 years ago

LOL - utter tosh!

In the UK army (I spent 3 years in it), there are many, many females who are just as mentally able as the best of men - and that's before they start training. Conversly, there are many men in the army who are pretty soft when it comes to mental abilities.

This is true also of physical powers. The movie GI Jane is a good commentary on the argument that females cant cut mustard when it comes to physical abilities. Some females can hold their own against men, some cant. But this goes equally for men as well. Some men cant cut it in the armed services, so they are pursuaded to leave, or are booted out. Normally, though, they dont get through the entrance screening in the first place.

The equality of the sexs does not consist in peoples abilities, but in having equal rights confered upon them. There will always be some members of each sex who will be weaker or stronger depending on the individual, but this does not define the rights of the individual. Those 'rights' come from the fact that the person has the ability to respect the rights of the other members of society. This ability is technically called resiporcity, and it is the hallmark and defining factor in the rights of people.

Females are allowed into the armed forces, and even into tactical squads, in the more enlighted armed services around the world because of this ability to recipricate to their fellow human beings' rights. Some females dont make it through the entrance tests; some do. But this is the same for men as much as it is for women.

Females dont have the 'right' to join the armed forces taken away merely because of their sex. They are afforded the opportunity of joining by the equal 'right' to get the chance to see if they are 'army material'. If not, then they dont get in. But if they do, they can go on to be an Officer of the highest rank (in Israel, the Commander General is a female).

Society does not take away a persons rights becuase they lack intellegence, or because they are physically weak. They keep those rights because they have the one ability that makes all the difference: they are conscious! They have the ability to weep, to laugh, to sing, to feel, to love, to share, to do everything a sentient being does. And the ability to recognise that all people are capable of this, is what defines them as being in the group that properly has 'rights'.

Animals do not have 'rights', because they do not respect the 'rights' of other members of the 'rights' group. People do, and that is why they have rights - and this includes females.

And if you werent trying to be sexist, then you did a pretty good job pretending to be.




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#7 12 years ago

Tally great speech but this has nothing to do with rights. To put it bluntly.Men are more likely to get in then women..period. No rights involved,men are more likely to get into the army compared to the opposite sex.




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#8 12 years ago

the, how do you say, economic and democratic world is not ready to have women come home in body bags, bullet holes, and blown off limbs.. its just not right, Russia is a whole different story though, in WWII..




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#9 12 years ago
Tally great speech but this has nothing to do with rights.

My response was to 192837465 - which implied that women shouldnt be allowed into the Armed services because of their 'natural place' in the world order. I counted that with my thoughts about every women's 'right' to be afforded the opportunity of entering based on their 'right' to.

Hate to break it to you guys, but the USA is considered 'backward' by the rest of the world in their attitudes to many people's 'rights' in the Armed Services. Movies like GI Jane were made in order to highlight the state of America's attitude to women and their place in the services. It is a social commentary on the appallingly backward attitude that the american people have to women and their 'rights' to join the forces, and then to rise to the highest ranks while there. By saying the things you guys are saying, you are only confirming the fears of the movie makers: that chauvinistic attitudes still abound in the people's minds despite 3 decades of campaigning by women to get them recognised as equals.

FACT - many women are more 'fit' for roles in the Army than some men. Women, for example, generally make very good officers because of their negotiating abilities. Conversly, some men are more able to do certain jobs in the army than women. but nobody - man nor women should be held back merely because of their sex.




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#10 12 years ago

Tally, did you not Read my post right?

I once checked the website for the american armed forces and it said for INFANTRY that it was not accepting woman at the time..

That is where i got that from, and if you look at how a woman body builds compaired to a man, look at the structural difference..

As you see the males body structure can be built further then a females can because of Evolution...

I am not talking about rights here, i am talking about facts..

I am not being sexist.. and if you want to believe i am, Go right ahead, i can care less what you think about me because you are just some person in front of a monitor..

Woman have a lot of rights.. their are even companies in America that are "Female only" but for the american Infantry to not accept woman is sexist.. then read what woman have over men..

Like i was saying before, Evolution or "god" w/e you believe built both woman and men differently.. and Everyone knows the males were built for physical endurance..

That is why it is more natural for men to get into the INFANTRY...

again, Infantry, you know, the soldiers on the ground.. That is all the army isnt allowing woman to do.. anything else.. they are..

http://www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=47

Infantryman (11B)

Enlisted Officer Active Duty Army Reserve [COLOR="Red"]Closed to Women [/COLOR]

The infantry is the main land combat force and backbone of the Army. It's equally important in peacetime and in combat. The Infantryman's role is to be ready to defend our country in peacetime and to capture, destroy and repel enemy ground forces during combat.

The following are some duties expected of Infantrymen: Perform as a member of a fire team during drills and live combat Perform hand-to-hand combat Aid in the mobilization of vehicles, troops and weaponry Assist in reconnaissance missions Operate two-way radios and signal equipment Process prisoners of war and captured documents Learn to use, maintain and store various combat weaponry (rifles, machine guns, anti-tank mines, etc.)

that is what i am talking about, they arent letting woman be in the infantry..




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