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njdevil16

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#21 15 years ago

hehe Definately. WiseBobo does not know what he's talking about. Just watch any WWII flick and you'll see the carbine at the front all over the place. I think everyone knows the mp40 was lame comapred to the tommy too.




Colonel_Wiggles

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#22 15 years ago

This is the Colonel speaking, so listen the African Tunafish up!! The German and American guns of WWII were probably some of the most effective weapons of the time. There were long range weapons, the rifles. The Garand, Mauser and KAR. Undoubtedly sniper rifles made their presence known. The Thompson and MP40 were both great weapons in their own respect. The Thompson could lay down a hail of fire, while the MP40 cycled slightly slower, making it a little easier to control during a duration of automatic fire. Both weapons were widely used. You must think of the 9mm compared to a .45. Its like a golf ball compared to a baseball. The 9mm would travel a bit faster, but didn't possess the knockdown power of the Thompson. The M1 Carbine was a mid to close quartered combat weapon, not as powerful as a rifle, yet able to deliver a more accuracy than a pistol. It was most popularly used with the supply convoys that needed an easily accessable weapon in the quarters of a truck. Sure it was used in the field. It was not a rifle, however, hence why it is identified as a carbine. Mr. Ironman, I disagree with your comment "The MP40 was unable to compete with the Thompson and the M1 Carbine." I guess you were there during WWII in the heat of battle shooting the MP44 and know how unreliable it must really be... Perhaps you should have re-thought your ideas before you tore into Mr. Bobo as you did, and gathered the correct ideas.




Yannick

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#23 15 years ago
$w33t$p()tcool i cant play becuz i got 56lk

So what? i have 56k and play all the time. i get lag, but its better than not playing. i find cod awesome and if i have to have a little lag to play well then so be it. u shuld try it it RULZZ :nodding: :smokin:




njdevil16

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#24 15 years ago
Colonel_Wiggles It was not a rifle, however, hence why it is identified as a carbine. Mr. Ironman, I disagree with your comment "The MP40 was unable to compete with the Thompson and the M1 Carbine."

I agree with Ironman. Webster's Dictionary 2004 Carbine: 1 : a short-barreled lightweight firearm orig. used by cavalry 2 : a light short-barreled repeating rifle that is used as a supplementary military arm or for hunting in dense brush Main Entry: 3rifle Function: noun 1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore Carbine is a French word which means "short-barreled rifle". You didn't know that? You mean the mp44 was an "assult rifle" but the M1 wasn't, even though it was also a carbine? hehe. Dude, you're mixed up. If you thought a carbine wasn't a rifle, you got no biz debating guns. A carbine isn't a seperate kind of gun, it's a type of rifle, like muzzle loader, bolt action, single shot, break-barrel, musket, blunderbuss, pump, lever action, CARBINE. hehe I own a Marlin 989M2 and it's my 2nd favorite gun I own. It's a .22 rifle that looks just like the M1. BTW, it's hard to imagine anybody thinking the mp40 could compete with the Tommy Gun, and I thought everybody knew the Jerry's had trouble keeping up with the enemy cuz of their guns.




Kuba17

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#25 15 years ago

Im a very new noob i got this game yesterday, and that always happens to me. I always get headshots, its weird because i usualy aim fot the chest when i get them.:smokin: (this smily is pimped out)




BobDole

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#26 15 years ago

whoever has a aimbot isn't good enough and wants to cheat to feel good




Sgt_Dude

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#27 15 years ago
WarWolvesI agree with Ironman. Webster's Dictionary 2004 Carbine: 1 : a short-barreled lightweight firearm orig. used by cavalry 2 : a light short-barreled repeating rifle that is used as a supplementary military arm or for hunting in dense brush Main Entry: 3rifle Function: noun 1 a : a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore Carbine is a French word which means "short-barreled rifle". You didn't know that? You mean the mp44 was an "assult rifle" but the M1 wasn't, even though it was also a carbine? hehe. Dude, you're mixed up. If you thought a carbine wasn't a rifle, you got no biz debating guns. A carbine isn't a seperate kind of gun, it's a type of rifle, like muzzle loader, bolt action, single shot, break-barrel, musket, blunderbuss, pump, lever action, CARBINE. hehe I own a Marlin 989M2 and it's my 2nd favorite gun I own. It's a .22 rifle that looks just like the M1. BTW, it's hard to imagine anybody thinking the mp40 could compete with the Tommy Gun, and I thought everybody knew the Jerry's had trouble keeping up with the enemy cuz of their guns.

If you're going to tell people what to do, please get your nomenclature right. They're not "guns" they're "firearms" in proper terms.




Pictureman

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#28 15 years ago
KillorLiveIf you're going to tell people what to do, please get your nomenclature right. They're not "guns" they're "firearms" in proper terms.

Websters Dictionary 2004:

Main Entry: 1gun Pronunciation: 'g&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English gonne, gunne 1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile

You have a common misconception that "gun" means "cannon." A lot of people think that because they see someone in a WWII movie refering to cannon as "guns", so they make the assumption. My favorite gun (an airgun) is my RWS Diana Model 36 spring-piston air rifle. It's more accurate at it's perspective range than any firearm in the world and has a muzzle velocity of 1,000 feet per second. I can go spelunking for pennies with it.

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Cleft-Asunder

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#29 15 years ago
'[WOW}IRONMAN'For some reason however, it seems game makers like to make the MP40 a bit more accurate than other weapons, when in fact, the MP40 was terribly hard to hold on-target when fired automatically. This was the case with RTCW and ET, and now CoD. I proved it with a little in-game ballistics test once firing at a wall and then a man. The MP40 won in both games for accuracy. Without a shoulder, any SMG is horribly inaccurate over any distance. Thus, the Germans raced to develop the MP44 to compare to the Thompson.

What in God's name are you talking about? The MP-38/40 had an RPM modifier on the weapon making it possible for the weapon to fire at a bearable 400-500 RPM, similiar in RPM to the M3 grease gun. COD models the MP-40 as being set to the 400-500 RPM setting proven by the fact that the shots are far between (listen to the sounds). Not to mention that we're dealing with a 9mm caliber which has minimal recoil, I don't see how you could possibly argue that the MP-40 was difficult to keep stable in sustained fire. What do you mean "without a shoulder"? Do you mean without a buttstock? The Mp-40 has an underfolder buttstock. Actually the Germans developed the Stg-44 to replace all bolt-action rifles and smg's. The concept of the mp-44 was to fill the roll of both weapons. The selector could be switched from full-auto (close range), to semi-auto (long range) when needed. It was a genius idea and lives on to this day as the assault rifle. Developing this weapon had little or nothing to do with comparing to the thompson since the Germans already had the comparable and proven MP-38/40's of which 1.2 million were produced.




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#30 15 years ago

Cleft-Asunder What in God's name are you talking about? The MP-38/40 had an RPM modifier on the weapon making it possible for the weapon to fire at a bearable 400-500 RPM, similiar in RPM to the M3 grease gun.[/QUOTE]

Dude! What in God's name are YOU talking about? We were not talking about comparing the MP40 to the "grease gun". We were talking about the Thompson and PPSh. The modifier, btw, was unpopular because in increased jamming. Even so, 400-500 rpm is sleepy compared to 500-725 rpm of the Thompson, and downright silly compared to the 900 rpm of the Russian PPsh.

Cleft-Asunder COD models the MP-40 as being set to the 400-500 RPM setting proven by the fact that the shots are far between (listen to the sounds). Not to mention that we're dealing with a 9mm caliber which has minimal recoil, I don't see how you could possibly argue that the MP-40 was difficult to keep stable in sustained fire.[/QUOTE]

Dude! You are making my point in a way. As I said, game makers tone-down the Thompson and beef-up the MP40 to make the game worth playing. In case you did not know, ANY SMG is hard to hold on target with sustained fire. If it were only .22 calibre it would STILL be difficult to hold on target. I don't see how you can argue that ANY SMG is easy to hold on target. Have you ever fired a real firearm of any kind at all? You sound like someone who has never shot any kind of firearm. Heck dude, even my .22 rifles have a little kick to them. lol Exploding gunpowder makes things move, ya know.

Have you ever fired a 9mm pistol, for example? I feel sure you have not. Go do it, and see how hard even a 9mm short kicks your hand, then come back here and post about how easy it is to hold an automatic weapon of large calibre on target. lol

[QUOTE=Cleft-Asunder] What do you mean "without a shoulder"? Do you mean without a buttstock? The Mp-40 has an underfolder buttstock.

Yea, and that did not make it easy to hold on taget either. : ) [QUOTE=Cleft-Asunder]Actually the Germans developed the Stg-44 to replace all bolt-action rifles and smg's. The concept of the mp-44 was to fill the roll of both weapons.... Developing this weapon had little or nothing to do with comparing to the thompson since the Germans already had the comparable and proven MP-38/40's of which 1.2 million were produced.

Dude! You're ideas are wack. Why do you think the Germans felt the need to even have such a weapon? Could it be because they had no effective repeating weapon for close and medium ranges, (Church Lady shagrin expression)... AND THE ENEMY DID? Isn't THAT special!

Read your history and you will learn that few German soldiers had an SMG throught the war. Most used a bolt action rifle.

A better discussion of this topic is going on in this thread:

http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?p=1126046#post1126046

Please come ther instead. Danka.