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Xenomorph Advanced Member

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#41 15 years ago

Hmm. I had better keep a close eye on this thread.




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#42 15 years ago

WiseBobo again?




WiseBobo

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#43 15 years ago
SpartanWiseBobo again?

Ohh no no no no no. I have done nothing wrong.




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#44 15 years ago

Is it just me, or does it seem like every thread ends up in a huge argument between Wisebobo and Ironman invovloving the Thompson or M1 carbine vs. other weapons...:nodding: :rolleyes:




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#45 15 years ago
vortex22Is it just me, or does it seem like every thread ends up in a huge argument between Wisebobo and Ironman invovloving the Thompson or M1 carbine vs. other weapons...:nodding: :rolleyes:

*Hits ejection seat lever.*




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#46 15 years ago

Bobo, have you ever fired a pistol larger than .25 cal? Be honest. I don't think so. Please answer this question.

WiseBobo9mm is a damn pea shooter. I don't know about 5 head shots from 25 paces or so in rapid succession, but I sure as hell know I will be on the paper.[/QUOTE]

Just for your information, 9mm pistols are horribly innacurate. In fact, any weapon with a barrel less than 4 or 5 inches is horribly innacurate at more than 20 paces. If you bolt a 2 1/2" barrel pistol to an unmovable table and fire the entire 13 round mag. into a target the size of a man's head that is 40 ft. away, you will need to jump for joy if more than half hit the target. Even a police 9mm Glock with a longer barrel is innacurate as hell at 40 ft. The bullet swerves up and down, left and right through the air. Guns with a barrel of 7" or more are FAR more accurate.

Bobo, you have proven my point. lolol You surely would not be able to be "on the paper" firing 5 fast succession rounds with a 9mm at a target the size of a man's head at 25 paces. You have proven that you have never fired a large calibre weapon with that comment. THANK YOU.

So the German SMG's were peashooters? OK. Bobo, you do not know what you are talking about. Did you know that the largest perscentage of police officers in the US now use 9mm Glock (some mag, some not) and other 9mm? You mean cope carry peashooters? Bobo, don't make such silly statements as this. It peoves you have no experience with weapons and no common sence.

WiseBoboYou are completely wrong. Squads were equipped with rifles, and higher-ranked officers, such as sergeants, were equipped with your M1a1 Thompsons and the M3a1 Greaseguns. There were far more Pvt.'s in a Pplatoon, and nearly every Pvt. carried an M1 Garand, with support infantrymen being issued B.A.R's.[/QUOTE] No Bobo. No. The M1 Carbine was used as much as the M1 Garand. In fact, the carbine was the 2nd most used weapon by American troops behind the Garand.

WiseBoboSmg's had a minimal impact on the war. The Stg-44 was designed to be a multi-purpose rifle that could be useful in any given situation. The German's were not outgunned by any means, infact, it is quite debatable as to whether or not they indeed had the superior armaments during the War.[/QUOTE]

Sheesh Bobo. Way out of the field there. Let me let you in on something.

The Russian front made the Western Front look like small potatos. Over 10 million men died in the fighting between Germany and the Soviets, especially in Leningrad. The germans were fighting with bolt action rifles and a few MP40's there. The Russians were using Ssph's and [b]semi-automaticrifles. The german's could not compete with the Russian SMG with their bolt action rifle. This is the biggest reason for the call upon Berlin to get the StG44 out. It was because they were not able to hold off the Russians with bolt action rifles.

The Germans were outgunned by semi-autos and SMG's. FACT.

WiseBobo BOTH ARMIES USED A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF RIFLES IN ANY GIVEN COMBAT SITUATION. YOU SIMPLY COULD NOT REQUEST WHAT WEAPON YOU WERE GIVEN.[/QUOTE]

Wrong Bobo. Many American soldiers requested the M1 Carbine and the Thompson, and many got what they asked for, mostly the M1 Carbine. The M1 Carbine was used by a great many soldiers.

you not see the picture I posted earlier of a squad of US Marines in an amphibious vehicle about to hit the beach on D-Day? Every one of them had an M1 Carbine on him. None had a Garande. Not one.

WiseBoboThe Germans were not outgunned by any means.[/QUOTE]

NOT OUTGUNNED? Bobo, oh poor Bobo. You really do not know anything about this war do you? Read about Leningrad. Just read. :lol:

WiseBobo BOTH ARMIES USED A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF RIFLES IN ANY GIVEN COMBAT SITUATION. YOU SIMPLY COULD NOT REQUEST WHAT WEAPON YOU WERE GIVEN.[/QUOTE]

Wrong Bobo. [QUOTE=WiseBobo] They simply wanted to, and did infact, design a rifle that could be easily produce and suit all of the needs of the Wehrmacht. They needed a compromise between the K98/K43 and the Mp-40, not because they were outgunned, but because ever single German Soldier's Stg-44 would be able to outclass any other Pvt. or Sergeant that was limited to a special role in their squad; I.E., rifleman, support infatrymen, etc..

You are making my point but you refuse to admit it. The Germans developed the MP44 late in the war. It was not available until the last year of it. The needed it because they were outgunned and unable to hold off the Russians with their semi-autos and fast firing SMG's. [QUOTE=WiseBobo]I know very well that the M1 Carbine fires a shortened rifle cartridge. It was designed to replace the M1911a1. That is why beyond 300m, good luck in inflicting a casualty. 108 gr bullet, 13 gr charge, US Service M1 round is no where near as effective as a 30-06 for putting down an enemy.

You mean the carbine was not as effective as the Garand at long range? DUH. WTF does that have to do with anything?

[QUOTE=WiseBobo]Have you ever been shot by a .22? A guy I know sure as hell has while out squirrel hunting. It didn't really hurt him or anything, but he sure has hell gave his buddy a good punch in the face.

Lucjy dude. President Reagan got shot in the lung by a .22. He was in critical confition for a while. If the bullet had hit a major artery around the heart, he would have been pushing up daisies for sure. :lol:

So now you are trying to say a .22 won't kill unless it's a headshot? OMG Bobo, your comments are getting more and more wack.

You mean most of the world's professional hired killers have been using the wrong weapon all this time? Geez Bbo. They need you to correct them. lol I have 3 .22's. I bet I could shoot someone with my New Frontier Colt .22 pistol with a 9 1/2 barrel in the chest and kill them with 1 shot if they did not get to a hospital in less than 30 minutes. And that's without hollowpoints, and if I didn't hit the heart or a major artery. I recently went spelunking with it with a friend. We shot some hollowpoints into a hard clay embankment, and shot small targets like Cocke cans and bleech bottle caps at about 30-40 ft. standing with no rest for the gun. The bullets made a hole the size of a Coke can on impact. That hard clay wall was almost as hard as soft limestone, and many many times harder than your flesh, I assure you. hehe If you got shot by a .22 hollowpoint in the chest, it would make a hole the size of the bullet going in, and the size of a quarter coming out, if the bullet did not shatter when hitting a bone, in which case you'd probably have 3 or 4 small holes in your back where the framents came out. hehe

Bobo, it's obvious you have no experience with firearms. Am I not right?

[QUOTE=WiseBobo] You are trying to convey that SMG's and M1 Carbines solely were the reason behind the development of the Stg-44, while infact they were minimal at best. The Mp-40 was perfectly suited for the role, and the M1 Carbine doesn't even come into question when it comes to combat. The German's already had the Karabiner 43, but they realized, as I have stated, they didn't need a full-sized rifle round to get the job done. You are simply an ignorant, old fool.

Bobo, young man, you need to become more worldly. The Russian SMG's and semi-automatics were PRECICELY the reason for the rush to develop the MP44. Something about 10 million men dying in Russia and the Russians hitting the German's hard with faster weapons. Something like that. ]

[QUOTE=WiseBobo]The lowering of any weapons RoF in a game, like the Thompson, MG-42, etc etc, has moreso to do with netcoding and latency issues then it does balance.

WHAT DID YOU SAY???????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dood gracious boy! You're lost! That is the stupidest thing you have said thus far, by far.

It may help you to understand if I relay something from you from the smartest, most knowledgable man I know. This man has read an entire 200th Anniversary Edition Encyclopedia Britanica (1968), the most complete and thorough encyclopedia ever prosuced in history. He has read several other encyclopedias cover to cover. He has read countless books on history. He has a degree in law from Texas A&M University. He was a US Marine 7th Division at Chosin Reservoir.

"The war in the east made France look like small potatoes. Over 10 million men died there. The Germans were not able to hold off the Russians in the eastern war. They wanted a better weapon to help them hold them off, especially in Leningrad. That was the real bad one. The Russians had weapons that fired much faster and it kept the Germans unable to take and hold the city, and other cities. Obviously, they needed a better weapon."

"In Korea, most of us had the M1 Carbine. Not too many used a Garand. The Chinese had the Russian and Chinese sub-machine guns, and I remember how fast they fired. The Russian one was waaaay faster than anything we had. I think it was faster than our M60's. Anyway, it was like a rain of bullets because of those things."

Bobo, you are very mistaken. The MP40 was rushed into development because the Germans were being outgunned, especially in Russia. Had this not been the case, development of it would have remained on the back burner. This is facy Bobo. It truly is.




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#47 15 years ago

can someone recap what he said in that post? It was too long for me to read, no offense.




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#48 15 years ago

I meant the MP44 was was rushed into development. Typo.




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#49 15 years ago

Thank you!




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#50 15 years ago

Aren't Wisebobo and Ironman doing what they did before? Just argueing for arguement sake? They don't liston each has to say and they keep at it. Can it please stop?