People complaining about the armor -1 reply

Please wait...

StickDeath

Last Defender of Earth

50 XP

15th March 2006

0 Uploads

54 Posts

0 Threads

#1 12 years ago

FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME, BEFORE YOU RETARDS BITCH ABOUT HOW A STuG TOTALY DEVASATES A Sherman IN COMBAT, WHY DON'T YOU LOOK UP SOME INFORMATION THE STuG HAS THE SAME ARMAMENT AS THE Panther, SO A 75MM HIGH VELOCITY GUN THAT WOULD RIP A Russian T-34 INTO TWO PIECES, AND THE T-34 WAS A PREMEIR TANK OF WORLD WAR 2, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO DO TO A WEAK ASS Sherman. I AM AN American I AM PROUD TO BE ONE, BUT OUR ARMOR OF WORLD WAR 2 WAS NOT, SAY AGAIN, WAS NOT DESIGNED TO GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH ANY GERMAN ARMOR WETHER IT BE AN Assault Gun (STuG), OR A TIGER I. AND THE ADDED THE T-26 PERSHING HEAVY TANK TO THE ALLIES, AND THAT SAW LESS ACTION THE Königstiger, OR THE TIGER II. SO STOP ALL YOUR GOD-DAMN BITCHING PEOPLE I AM GETTING TIRED OF IT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FACT THE AMERICAN TANKS COULD NOT GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH GERMAN ARMOR, THEN DON'T PLAY THE GAME, OR USE Shermans.




HLBMXR

Slightly cooler than a n00b

50 XP

19th April 2006

0 Uploads

45 Posts

0 Threads

#2 12 years ago

Well first off the Stug did not have the same cannon as the panther. The panther had a 75mm Kwk 42 L/70 and the stug had the 75mm Stuk 40 L/48. Both could kill a sherman in one shot though. Now the Sherman with a 76mm cannon could penatrate any german tank, but it was a matter of who shot first. Also the german tanks had better armor so there was a big chance of a deflected shot. Stug had 80mm in the front and 30mm on the sides. Sherman had 50mm in the front and less than 20mm the sides. So the Stug could beat the sherman as long as some of the shots from the sherman deflected from the Stugs steep and thick armor. My mod im making will remove tanks/ limited them and make them realistic. So basically, it will be the first tank to shoot first wins. Also the t-34 wasnt as good as you think. It had only 40-50 mm of armor in the front, 30 on the sides and 70 on the front turret.

Im agree with you though. im tired of people bitching about stugs not taking out shermans and shermans taking out panthers. The devs made this game to be fun, not ultra realistic. That job is for me and the many other modders out there. We made the realistic mods that people enjoy.




KillingHawk_GER

I don't spend enough time here

50 XP

19th April 2005

0 Uploads

16 Posts

0 Threads

#3 12 years ago

Hi there, i'm from germany and a technic / tactic freak of WWII, so no wonder i like CoH *G*.... But even with my national pride switched out, i can only shake my head around when a single Sherman penetrates the front armor of my TigerIE and the [COLOR=Black]8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56[/COLOR] of the Tiger fires without harm through the Sherman model but lay a whole building down to ashes...

On the other side can one single Player kill 3 normal NPC's with 2 "ELITE" Tiger's and 2 Pioneer Squads to repair them *G* Even direct hits from 3-4 Sherman Tanks at the same time can't penetrate the front armor of an Elite Tiger :naughty: Thats the way i like it :D

Realy a mess that the King is not in CoH:(

small question to the end: is there anything different in CoH 1.2 with the mines ? Because since i patched the mines destroy directly the engines of my tanks without damaging the armor....:uhm:

MFG

Killing Hawk




Guest

I didn't make it!

0 XP

 
#4 12 years ago

Well after a quick look at Wiki for specific information I found these useful tidbits...

"By the Normandy landings of 1944," (which is obviously when the game takes place) "the Sherman was ineffective against the medium Panther and heavy Tiger I tanks, against which the Sherman's 75 mm gun could not achieve a frontal penetration at any range. Even if it was outmoded for anti-tank use later in the war, the 75 mm gun was a solid weapon against infantry and other targets."

Note to HLBMXR: "With a regular APCBC (Armour Piercing Capped, Ballistic Capped) ammunition, the 76 mm could reliably knock out a Panther only with a shot to its flank." Flank, yes, everywhere else, no. One important thing beside that: "By the end of the war, 50% of Sherman tanks were equipped with the superior 76 mm gun." So which do you think is ingame? The extremely common in 1944 75mm or the just released 76mm that didn't even make up half of the shermans by the end of the war?

A bit about the armor... "While Shermans were able to take on the Panzer III medium tanks in the North African campaigns, they were unable to withstand the weapons mounted on late-model Panzer IV, and Panther and Tiger tanks encountered in Italy and Normandy. Armor was more evenly distributed and thicker at the side than the PzIV; the top armor was equal to that of the Tiger."

Just thought I'd provide a bit of truthful information because I'm also sick of people complaining, perhaps if people went out and actually looked things up we wouldn't have to hear about these kinds of things all the time. As an aside this is my first post on this forum.




Fyurii

NEKRON!!!!!!!

50 XP

4th August 2006

0 Uploads

3,477 Posts

0 Threads

#5 12 years ago

Not directly related to CoH, but others have referenced the T34.

Didn't the T34 have angle armour? Didn't this increase the odds of deflected shots?

Besides, tank warfare is all about who can field the most amount of tanks the quickest.

The Russian front anyone?




Garcet71283

I'm too cool to Post

50 XP

22nd November 2003

0 Uploads

1 Posts

0 Threads

#6 12 years ago

Honestly, the armor seems modeled well enough to loosely represent that of WW2. You must keep in mind that occasionally, i lucky shell would hit a soft-spot and kill a tank (think viewports; ammo storage). So the frontal penetration doesn't bother me. However, the costs seem too steep for a sherman vs a panzer in this game. This is mainly because the Allies are supposed to outnumber the Axis in almost every confrontation. When there are 5 panzers running you down when you have only 2 shermans out the door, there is a balance issue to behold. Basically, lower the cost of allied equipment, but leave the stats the same. That should help balance out any allied armor shortcomings without compromising the realism.




badger-dude

The Internet ends at GF

50 XP

19th June 2006

0 Uploads

137 Posts

0 Threads

#7 12 years ago

^^^ What he said :D




StickDeath

Last Defender of Earth

50 XP

15th March 2006

0 Uploads

54 Posts

0 Threads

#8 12 years ago

garcet, it may be modeled, but no way hell is a 57mm AT Gun going to outrange the 88mm of my Tiger, and no way a Sherman can survive more the one hit, of the same gun.




Carroarmato-P40

Believe, Obey, Fight!

50 XP

12th July 2005

0 Uploads

131 Posts

0 Threads

#9 12 years ago

HLBMXRWell first off the Stug did not have the same cannon as the panther. The panther had a 75mm Kwk 42 L/70 and the stug had the 75mm Stuk 40 L/48. Both could kill a sherman in one shot though. Now the Sherman with a 76mm cannon could penatrate any german tank, but it was a matter of who shot first. Also the german tanks had better armor so there was a big chance of a deflected shot. Stug had 80mm in the front and 30mm on the sides. Sherman had 50mm in the front and less than 20mm the sides. So the Stug could beat the sherman as long as some of the shots from the sherman deflected from the Stugs steep and thick armor. My mod im making will remove tanks/ limited them and make them realistic. So basically, it will be the first tank to shoot first wins. Also the t-34 wasnt as good as you think. It had only 40-50 mm of armor in the front, 30 on the sides and 70 on the front turret.

Im agree with you though. im tired of people bitching about stugs not taking out shermans and shermans taking out panthers. The devs made this game to be fun, not ultra realistic. That job is for me and the many other modders out there. We made the realistic mods that people enjoy.

Something that should be worth mentioning. In accordance to this tank book I go my dad for his B'day, I'll read the following info:

-Tiger penetrates M4A4 Sherman at 1,800m (1,969 yards). -M4A4 Sherman with short-barrel 75mm gun unable to penetrate Tiger front armour at any distance.

-Tiger penetrates M4A4 Sherman at 1,800m (1,969 yards). -M4A4 Sherman with 76mm gun has to close within 700 (765 yards) to penetrate Tiger front armour.

-Tiger penetrates M4A4 Sherman at 1,800m (1,969 yards). -Firefly (Armed with British 17-pdr AT-gun) can pierce Tiger front armour at 1,750 (1,914 yards).

However yes, the MK IV Panzer and the StuG's had a less powerful, but still formidable 75mm Cannon, than that placed on the Panther, which was the best gun of its calibre in the entire war.




KillingHawk_GER

I don't spend enough time here

50 XP

19th April 2005

0 Uploads

16 Posts

0 Threads

#10 12 years ago

ups. i think we made quite a mess, there is no StugIV in CoH.... it's an StuH 42...http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/stugc.html and mainly used against infantry...

MFG

KillingHawk