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#21 17 years ago

look, i was dissapointed with their latest bf expansion pack (i love bf), but i still don't see why to hate ea, but its your opinion and thats fine




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#22 17 years ago

EA's widely disliked for either not supporting the community or releasing expansions to bring in more dough that don't really deliver. But what you guys are forgetting is that game companies not supporting the community are the majority. Try to think of how many developers and publishers are actually out there actively supporting the games they produce. You'll find it's a very small list. Usually a game is made, released, maybe you get a couple patches and then it's on to the next game. End of timeline. Id / Activision have been pretty good (hell, they gave us ET for free.. they rank well with me), then you've got whoever does Unreal, they're pretty good, then VALVe (makers of Half-Life) and from there on the list pretty swiftly dries up. You can dislike EA (neither DICE nor EA are held too highly with me for reasons I'm not going to get into) but remember that it's hardly just EA out there not supporting the community, and with Battlefield, they've certainly done it better than most. Battlefield has great multiplayer, much better than Medal of Honor ever did. I think what you want to say is that Battlefield's infantry combat is awful, which it is. Call of Duty on the other hand.. if the demo is any indication it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun.




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#23 17 years ago
VanthemEA's widely disliked for either not supporting the community or releasing expansions to bring in more dough that don't really deliver. But what you guys are forgetting is that game companies not supporting the community are the majority. Try to think of how many developers and publishers are actually out there actively supporting the games they produce. You'll find it's a very small list. Usually a game is made, released, maybe you get a couple patches and then it's on to the next game. End of timeline. Id / Activision have been pretty good (hell, they gave us ET for free.. they rank well with me), then you've got whoever does Unreal, they're pretty good, then VALVe (makers of Half-Life) and from there on the list pretty swiftly dries up. You can dislike EA (neither DICE nor EA are held too highly with me for reasons I'm not going to get into) but remember that it's hardly just EA out there not supporting the community, and with Battlefield, they've certainly done it better than most. Battlefield has great multiplayer, much better than Medal of Honor ever did. I think what you want to say is that Battlefield's infantry combat is awful, which it is. Call of Duty on the other hand.. if the demo is any indication it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun.

You know, Vanthem is completely right. My largest beaf with BF was that infantry combat was really terrible. I myself like to snipe (which still right now in BF is an art) and in doing so I like to sneak around. The thing that BF never gave me was a sense of immersive gameplay so that I could hide in the shadows and snipe (probably to worst thing ever developed was the reveal your killer cam, omg that pisses me off). I'd be running around on foot just trying to get away from the impeding blow from another vehicle. I hate that. So as COD hits and HL2 as well I have left BF and kind of on a sour note. For so long I was waiting for an SDK for modding, where is that? (apparently it is just now released), and EA and DICE have got to be the worst with the community, including their little feasco with certain modifications like Merceless. I really hope a game like this learns from good developers and actually follows in and takes opinions from the public. In my books the best company has got to be Valve with their SDK releasing with their games. HL has survived 5 + years ! and it is still going strong. BF, that game has hit it's peak and is going downhill. EA and DICE are just trying to strangle the last few breathes out of it with their expansions. BF Vietnam is coming out and I'm sure as hell not going to buy it. I admit BF has offered a lot of gameplay but it could have been a lot more. Their SDK was too little too late and like most games BF will be one of those games that you have, but you never play anymore because there really is no reason to.

I see that COD already has mods for the demo. It kind of seems sad in my mind to make mods for a demo but on the plus side it seems promising. I hope a SDK is released so that a lot of varying mods are made. BF only had really one. The two teams who capture areas over and over. Every mod had that in mind it really seemed. Sure it is really fun when you get into good combat sension with a lot of seasoned players but after a while you just notice that it has to stop somewhere. You basically do that same thing, get killed by the same thing as well.

From what I see in COD so far is that they really are trying to outdo BF and MOHAA stereotypes in war games. The fact of the matter is that niether of those two games really were war. BF was way too arcade style war while MOHAA was more of a simulation but still lacked a lot of the depth of a pure war game. It's like when movies try to recreate Normandy. So many lack the depth and accuracy of the bruteness and suffering of war, then comes along a good contendent that really pulls it off, in the case of Saving Private Ryan. COD seems to capture a certain immersiveness that really makes you feel like you are there and you actually are fighting for a purpose, not just to be killed.




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#24 17 years ago

what is an sdk?




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#25 17 years ago

Software Development Kit. It's a crutial part to mod making, especially to those mods that stray away from the original game a lot. EA just released the SDK for BF the other week. As I said before it's way too little too late. I look forward to a more positive mod making experience with COD.




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#26 17 years ago

so it allows the modders to change aspects of the game that they were not originally able to before it was released




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#27 17 years ago

Precisely. But I heard EA's MDT was basically a bunch of progs put together with an EA label slapped on.

My biggest gripe with BF is the same as yours Vanth and Trax. I was never a big fan of vehicles (not as much as infantry anyway) and was really disappointed with the lack of Garands (I actually wondered what a No. 4 was for a second, I thought maybe it was a rifle I overlooked :lol: ) Hopefully BF:V will have slightly better infantry.

But CoD looks like it's gonna take the gold.




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#28 17 years ago

operation overlord, a bf mod soon to be released has a sweet looking garand