Garand M1-Good/Bad Weapon? -1 reply

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WiseBobo

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#281 17 years ago
mattryan_7The Garand is a great weapon, and the way the sight is made, makes it even better, it's made that way, so you keep your other eye open while your shooting, so that you can follow your target better. The only downside I find in the M1 is the fact that you can't reload in the middle of the clip.

Unlike in Real Life where you can actually reload it mid-clip.




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#282 17 years ago

No, you can't, you have to fire all of your rounds to be able to eject the clip. "Produced by John Garand in the late 30s as a replacement to the 1903 Springfield as the main battle rifle. It was chambered in the .30-06, and fired an 8 round en bloc clip, which, when the 8th round was fired, was released from its spring and ejected out of the rifle with the last shell. It was the first mass-produced semi-automatic rifle in the world. It was rough and rugged in combat conditions and proved to been of the most influential weapons ever produced in the 20th Century. In the course of World War II over Four-Million M1’s were produced."




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#283 17 years ago
mattryan_7No, you can't, you have to fire all of your rounds to be able to eject the clip.

No, you are incorrect. It is a myth that is continually perpetuated by those who have never handled the rifle and don't understand its operation. To eject either a full enbloc or partial enbloc all that is necessary is to pull the operating rod to the rear, place your left hand over the now open receiver, and with your left thumb press the clip release which is located on the left side of the receiver of every M1 Garand ever produced. Once the clip has been ejected into the palm of your hand the bolt is locked to the rear and the rifle can now be reloaded. This procedure takes only a matter of seconds if you know what you are doing. I would also refer you to FM 22-5 "Infantry Drill Regulations". Any wartime copy will do, mine is dated August 4, 1941. The unloading procedure I outlined above was taught to every G.I. as part of the basic manual of arms for the M1 Garand Rifle. Common sense also has to play a part here. If you cannot eject a partial clip, what do you do if the rifle jams or other wise malfunctions? Throw it away? It is ridiculous to think the army would have accepted for it's main battle rifle a weapon that could not be unloaded by any other means outside of firing it till it was empty. It is also quite easy for one familiar with the weapon to load single rounds and partially filled enblocs.




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#284 17 years ago

ok, then I was incorrect, and it would be a myth continually perpetuated by those who have never handled an M1 Garand.




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#285 17 years ago

The "ping" is a touch of realism that the GIs had to learn how to deal with. It would be nice to build the solution the GIs discovered in the game. Very quickly, the Axis forces learned that the "ping" meant the Garand was empty and they could rush the American soldier. To combat this, GIs would carry an empty clip with them and throw it to the ground making a "ping" sound. The Axis soldiers would then rush the GI and get a nasty surprise!




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#286 17 years ago

i'm not trying to discredit you, dmx1970. But, i thought that the ping sound came from the clip being ejected from the Garand. How would replicate the ping if you just through an empty clip on the ground?




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#287 17 years ago

damn...we should teach WW2 history :D




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#288 17 years ago
2nd RangersNo, you are incorrect. It is a myth that is continually perpetuated by those who have never handled the rifle and don't understand its operation. To eject either a full enbloc or partial enbloc all that is necessary is to pull the operating rod to the rear, place your left hand over the now open receiver, and with your left thumb press the clip release which is located on the left side of the receiver of every M1 Garand ever produced. Once the clip has been ejected into the palm of your hand the bolt is locked to the rear and the rifle can now be reloaded. This procedure takes only a matter of seconds if you know what you are doing. I would also refer you to FM 22-5 "Infantry Drill Regulations". Any wartime copy will do, mine is dated August 4, 1941. The unloading procedure I outlined above was taught to every G.I. as part of the basic manual of arms for the M1 Garand Rifle. Common sense also has to play a part here. If you cannot eject a partial clip, what do you do if the rifle jams or other wise malfunctions? Throw it away? It is ridiculous to think the army would have accepted for it's main battle rifle a weapon that could not be unloaded by any other means outside of firing it till it was empty. It is also quite easy for one familiar with the weapon to load single rounds and partially filled enblocs.

Damn right. You beat me to it there 2nd Ranger. Your from the DoD forums right? It's me, Brenden the "realism high-horseman" Azevedo.




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#289 17 years ago
WiseBoboDamn right. You beat me to it there 2nd Ranger. Your from the DoD forums right? It's me, Brenden the "realism high-horseman" Azevedo.

Yep, that's me.




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#290 17 years ago

we'll i'll talk to you all later. i leave for the Army tomorrow. Talk to ya later. Hopefully this thread will still be around then.