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#1 14 years ago

Aight, here's the scoop, I used to be FN staff, I got shitcanned cuz I pissed off the JK2 Site Admin but he says I'm full of shit, that's not why I was fired. This originally started in thread someone else had & got sidetracked so I am bringing it here so the thread doesn't have to be closed.

The original thread is at http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=99516

I am even including some music for you guys to listen to while reading (LMFAO).




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#2 14 years ago

First of all, I want to apologize about this freakin book of a post. I just have alot to say & I tried to stay on topic as much as I possibly could but there are some side topics that have some relevance to what's said...[indent]Side notes in this post are indented like this. I do this because this is a large post & people may not want to read the side notes & just stay completely on topic.

For everyones information (especially FN staff), these forums belong to GAMINGFORUMS - NOT FILESNETWORK. I just recently learned that these are not FilesNetwork forums on GamingForums, these are GamingForums forums on GamingForums (which is what GF/FF has been telling me), so if ShroomDuck or even Pro-Filer himself edits/removes this post (which I do have backed up), I will be bringing it up to GF/FF staff. I am not flaming here, I am merely expressing my personal opinion about ShroomDuck so others may avoid problems from him that I have had to deal with in the past, & stating fact based on info given to me by GF/FF staff.[/indent]The Problem JK2Files was made such a great place because of Asty - DO NOT FORGET THAT PLEASE. As far as I am concerned, Asty WAS JK2Files.com, at least for the most part. Since Asty has left as Site Admin, JK2Files.com has never been the same, nor will it ever be. Get used to it.

Now don't get me wrong, yes I dislike ShroomDuck VERY much but in no way shape or form am I saying that he doesn't have a tough job. It doesn't really stop being tough until you really know everything there is to know, then at that point it is more time consuming than anything; VERY time consuming. I should know, Asty & I spoke to one another frequently when he was Site Admin so I know alot of the stuff he had to deal with & stuff that has happened in the past. Of course, Asty did tons of stuff that he didn't have to do so perhaps that's why it was so time consuming. It's too bad it's not like that anymore but that's the price I pay for standing up for myself (we don't talk anymore, I think it's because of the Duelers ordeal). That's a different story though...[indent]ShroomDuck fired me for personal reasons no matter how much he refuses to admit it (which if you read the staff thread regarding this topic, you'd see exactly what I am talking about). I'm glad some of you are getting along with Shroom currently but I'm just telling you that my experience with the man in the past is he very well may make business personal. Keep that in mind if you ever cross him. I think the attention I am creating on the subject will help him straighten out but it's better to be safe then sorry.

I just think (as well as some others) that Pro-Filer never should have offered the Site Admin position to ShroomDuck before offering it to the existing staff he already had, alot of which had been on FN staff for at least a year such as Amy, Chrono, (Amy & Chrono may have been offered the position, I didn't speak wiht them regarding it) Xenomorph, AutoCept, Young Obi-Wan, Wangdexian, or myself. Now I personally would have never taken the job because I do not have the time but the point is, it still should have been offered to us. It's his company though, if he wants to run it like that, it's his business. I just feel sorry for the people because they are the ones who have to deal with it. Opinions vary on whether or not that is a good or bad thing.

As for me personally, I have no real beef with Pro-Filer even though despite what he claims, I think he does with me. I realize that with all the things that he has to deal with, the whole Duelers ordeal was like a tick on his ass that he just wanted to get rid of but the situation was somewhat personal for me & I think that if it was handled with higher regard, it would have turned out differently so in a sense I think the guy brought it on himself. At the very least, stick to what he told me but whatever, it's his company & it's not my problem; Not anymore. What I really get a kick out of is FN staff thinking they have the right to fire me from a job that was given to me by GF/FF staff.[/indent]Bottom Line It doesn't matter who is Site Admin. Someone may have taken Asty's job but NO ONE will ever fill Asty's shoes. If you guys are waiting or hoping for JK2Files.com to be the way it was, you can forget about it because chances are it is not ever going to happen.

The Solution The Cool Mods project is now an affiliate of GF/FF so I don't have to deal with FN BS anymore (thank god). If any of you are having any forum problems (meaning your forums, not these forums that already have moderators) then feel free to let me know. I'd be more than willing to help you out.

As for files, you could always submit files directly to filefront. You will not be getting the same amount of publicity you get from JK2Files.com but at least your files are up. I recommend you upload to JediKnight.net if you still are having these kinds of problems with JK2Files.com. JK.net gets more publicity anyways.[indent]FilesNetwork is a middle man so with Cool Mods, I am just cutting them out of the picture which works out better for me than the way it was in alot of ways. If any of you are setting up you're own project, you may want to consider doing the same but keep in mind that if you get hosted with JK2Files.com, you get FTP access for hosting web sites as part of the deal (which is owned by Pro-Filer), you do not with the way I am doing it.

JK2Files.com & JediKnight.net each have their own individual ups & downs. JK2Files has a more laid back environment, the forums are not anywhere near as restrictive, you don't have to deal with as many ads (especially pop-ups), etc; etc. With JK.net, they have more traffic. Their forums have more traffic, their site has more traffic, so that's the #1 thing JK.net has going for them, more traffic; However, GamingForums covers a variety of games & topics, JediKnight.net is just JediKnight.net & other games by LucasArts (hence the name LucasForums).[/indent]Bottom Line You have a few options...

  • Keep uploading to JK2Files.com & hope for the best. You could also do as ShroomDuck asks & help out, I'm sure they could use it.
  • Upload to FileFront but again, keep in mind that there is not as much publicity with doing it this way.
  • Upload to JediKnight.net. They do get more traffic than JK2Files.com.
  • Upload to pcgamemods.com & massassi.net. If it were me, I'd upload to all of them, the more publicity the better if you ask me. Perhaps there is some way to upload to FileFront then have the JK2Files reviewers review it from there.

On a side note to ShroomDuck, Asty used to do weekly quotas that everyone had to meet. If you don't meet the quota, you're out of here - that simple. Perhaps the same thing will work for you. The main thing is this needs to be treated like a real job & not a hobby - *THAT* is what got Asty the respect he recieved.

Time for the replies...

xgamerxIf I do that, then will you stop complaining to Shroom about this and you can complain to me it's more my fault than Shrooms because I am an actual Reviewer unlike shroom he does reviews, but his actual job is to Keep the site together. So just bug me from now on and stop attacking at shroom for this.[/QUOTE]While I admire you for your commitment to take on responsibility, I think the point that's trying to be stressed here is files need to get posted - period, end of subject. Now if the existing staff is too busy to take care of that, then fine, hire more staff. Wade was trying to point out that he wanted to get hired & couldn't. I'm glad he eventually reached the goal he had set out to do.

The bottom line is files need to get posted. It's Shroom's job to solve that problem so if it's not solved, yes it is Shroom's fault. Maybe not at first but if it goes on as long as everyone is saying it has, then yes - absolutely, that's his fault. In all reality though, I don't think anyone cares who's fault it is. They just want the problem solved. I hope it is.

Chrono_MOTI sincerely think you have some kind of grudge problem - and this is directed at you as well Mad-Dog.

Just because you had a disagreement with Shroom and I came down on you is no reason to continue acting like such a child.[/QUOTE]GOD I LOVE THIS. It would have been so much sweeter coming from ShroomDuck, but this is still funny as hell also. LMFAO.

Chrono_MOTI have many jobs at jk3files for one, but for another I also do mods and many other things that keep my life busy.[/QUOTE]No offense but modding isn't your job, helping out with running JK2Files.com is. If your hobbies are interfering with your job too much, then perhaps you should re-prioritize yourself by spending less time modding or changing your staff position.

This is why Asty left, he knew he couldn't keep doing a good job as Site Admin with all the other responsibilities he had to maintain; Granted, Asty's thing was his hobbies were causing some financial problems, so it's not exactly the same thing but it is the same concept.[QUOTE=Chrono_MOT]You have no idea what someone is busy with or even if it has anything to do with personal or professional life.

It's irrelevant, a job is a job & the impression I am getting is that is not how some people are treating their staff position (like a real job). If you told your boss "hey sorry I didn't get that situation taken care of but I had more important things to do" then you would get fired. Plain & simple.

Quotas should be drawn up & met. If they are not met, whomever should be removed from staff or should get their staff position changed - that simple.[QUOTE=WadeV1589]Right people, in the last 4 1/2 hours I have got 10 files done from the beginning of the back log. I will get at least another 10 done tomorrow...

lol. This is what I am talking about, people not treating their staff position like a real job. Again, you guys should have weekly quotas.[QUOTE=tFighetPilot]I gave this thread a rate of 5. Drama, action, advanture, love story, this thread got it all :D

Now tell me those aren't the words of a natural born file reviewer.




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#3 14 years ago

ShroomDuckMarker: while we appreciate your 'advice', things are going to stay the way they are. I'm extremely happy with my staff, and they have been pushing out a huge number of files.

You seemed to complain about files that take a while to get posted. Well, when I took over from Asty, we were left with a large backlog in our inbox. Slowly but steadily, we were able to get rid of this backlog, and I'm very happy to say that it's been gone since the New Year.

Out of the 69 files currently waiting to be reviewed, the oldest is from January 31/2004. That means that we're at a 7 day delay for files right now, which I feel is acceptable.

You also again claim that I fired you for personal reasons. This is so rediculous. I didn't even know who you were before the events that lead to your dismissal happened. You threatened a law suit against Files Networks, and you were caught hosting illegal files on one of our servers. (And yes Marker... you didn't actually sue FN, you just had a lawyer contact me and FN regarding the suit itself... that point you keep bringing up is trivial... so let it go). THOSE are the reasons you were fired. If I wanted to be personal about it, I would have banned you. :)




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#4 14 years ago
ShroomDuckMarker: while we appreciate your 'advice', things are going to stay the way they are. I'm extremely happy with my staff, and they have been pushing out a huge number of files.[/QUOTE]The only advice I gave was that staff should have weekly quotas & that's Asty's idea, not mine. I'm just passing along the info because appearently your users aren't happy with the current system. It's a good idea any way you look at it, if you want to not use it because it's coming from me or you just think it's not necessary or whatever, that's between you, PF, & your users. I don't really care tbh; Well maybe a little, not much anyways.
ShroomDuckYou seemed to complain about files that take a while to get posted.[/QUOTE]I'm not complaining about the files, hell I didn't even know they were backed up. 90% of my time is consumed by modding. Everyone else was complaining about it. I only knew about it because of this thread.
ShroomDuckWell, when I took over from Asty, we were left with a large backlog in our inbox.
When Asty was here, files were posted within 48 hours & that IS A FACT. You can ask Amy or whomever else was around in those days, Asty did his job. If you were left with some backlog, it must have been the files that piled from the time Asty left to when you got hired, that's not Asty's fault.[QUOTE=ShroomDuck]You also again claim that I fired you for personal reasons. This is so rediculous. I didn't even know who you were before the events that lead to your dismissal happened.

You knew who I was because I introduced myself & explained the situation when I first contacted you. You wanted me to let the site that Lee stole from me stay up until he got a new site up (which took months btw) - I said no. I also said discussing the lawsuit with you was a moot point, now I didn't mean to be offensive, I just didn't feel like arguing with you, nor do I now.

Fact: You said you removed me from FN staff because I was a "liability", yet at the same time you kept infringed software hosted. Does that make sense?

Fact: Pro-Filer is the one who had to worry about the lawsuit because that was his butt on the line & he was TOTALLY willing to let everything go & let me stay on staff, yet you wanted to pursue it anyways. Does that make sense?

Fact: I wasn't "caught" with illegal warez on any FTP. PF knew about it BEFORE & AFTER it was on the FTP, PF was the first person that I told it was there FFS. Now appearently there was some miscommunication there because PF didn't want it on there, so it was removed, no one had downloaded any of the proggies I had on there, no harm done. The point is, this topic was water under the bridge. PF is fine with that situation but months later he changes his mind about it? Does that make sense? Bringing it back up is a total copout.

Fact: You claim to "wish nothing but the best" for me & the CM project but you don't want to be liable for anything that we do, yet at the same time, you refuse to sport the CM button on the JK2Files.com site. Does that make sense?

You say you "wish nothing but the best" for me in the publics eye, yet when we're chatting online I'm a "late bloomer". Unlike some people, I do what I think is professional & say EXACTLY what I mean - not say what makes me look good & do what I want.

Now I apologize for being so derogatory but I had to get that off my chest. Perhaps you even think you didn't can me for personal reasons but perhaps you should look at the facts - you did. Again, that is just my opinion.

I still support JK2Files.com regardless of our own personal differences because whether I like it or not, JK2Files.com is a valuable asset to the JK community. So I do my best to keep them informed - THAT is what being a professional is. Seperating business from personal. I still support the Duelers project & hate Lee. I just dislike you, I $*ing hate Lee, but I still support the project because he is a very talented coder & he put together the BEST server & client side mod available for JK2.[QUOTE=ShroomDuck]If I wanted to be personal about it, I would have banned you.

Ban me from what? The forums? lol, in case you hadn't been reading this (which wouldn't surprise me considering you obviously didn't read the Notice), THESE FORUMS DO NOT BELONG TO FILESNETWORK. That's what the GF/FF staff have been telling me because in case you didn't know, I've been friends with GF/FF staff for almost 2 years (not to mention most of the FN staff) & I'm now an affiliate of GF/FF.

Ban me, lol, you crack me up.

Anyways, this is a pointless dispute, you're going to see things your way & I'm going to see them mine & more importantly, we're getting off topic here. I suppose that's more my fault that anyone else's so for that I do apologize but lets just let it lie. If you really want to continue this dispute, let's take it to The Melee because that's where disputes belong.

This thread was about the file posting problems on JK2Files.com, not the personal differences ShroomDuck & I have with each other. I hope your problem is solved people. Cheers.