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Chrissstrahl

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#1 10 years ago

I'm very upset :mad: and I have to let you know that this is clearly one of the BIG reasons why ppl do not stay in STEF2 if they try the game and get handled like this!

The past 5 weeks I've got a lot reports of bad behave, but this time you guys did really go to far, I ask you Dr.Breen The Host of the 'Nades Off' Server to Bann: Oberlerchner and Hawakee (aka HK47, Marauder etc, random blue only names) for disrespectful behave and braking the server rules, such as:

  1. Play Fair (Oberlerchner and Hawakee did team up against a Newbi with 380 Ping untill this player quit "he coudn't take this anymore")
  2. No Spawnfrags (Oberlerchner and Hawakee did spawnfrag and Chatfrag.
  3. Oberlerchner and Hawakee also called a Kickvote against a old legend STEF2 player the most of the old scool Players know him to be the best player ever existed in ef2 Desintegration, Mystiqe.

Unfortunlay I do not have all the screenshots of the countless insults and Spawnfrags.

This should tell you why no one plays ef2 any more!

I have a friend living near by and sometime he plays STEF2, today I've received a E-Mail which had some screenshots attached and he asked me if I really do Modding for this community. I think he's right I should move on to Quake4 and Prey, instead doing stuff for this disrespectful and arrogant community!

As consequence I'll immediately discontinue my Work on all STEF2 related Projects I'm evolved in; HZM Co-Op Mod 4.1, Shuttle V2s second Version, Schiessstand Map, and Forgotten Danger Mod. See for your self, what upsets me enough to decide so, I've uploaded the screenshots:

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#2 10 years ago

LOL ok? i just read the screenshots and they are insulting us. :confused: Give me one line where i insult them. :uhm: It started on SFI FFA with Val and Spectator (thats the name he wasnt spectating). Val kept chatfragging and me and Hawkeye complained. We went to Nades OFF, and Val followed us and started chatfragging again. We complained and Val left. Later . (. is playername) joined and also started chatfragging, we told him to stop, and Spectator called me a Nazi... I didnt chatfrag anyone, i have to admit Hawkeye did a few chatfrags, but i think thats understandable, because they chatfragged him all the time. (Well i made one chatfrag because he started chatting with my torp on the way :rolleyes: ). One question is it that bad to call for a kick vote for someone who just wont stop chatfragging?, and i knew it wasnt going to work because Spectator would vote no. And Chriss before you complain about bad behave look at yourself. Telling a 10 year old:

You f***ing a**shole you are not welcome on my server.

and kicking him. (i think ppl can replace the * by themselfs...) That guy kept coming crying to me ''nobody likes me'', and ended up leaving EF2... And always saying some stuff to make ppl think they are stupid and you are smart. Just because you know a lot about the game, doesnt mean you should treat ppl like that. I think its sad that you stop working on Co-Op, i like Co-Op, but with what you did today, i can sure say i wont miss you on EF2.




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#3 10 years ago

Chriss, aside from the incident on the server that you have screenshots from, what other factors have made you decide to leave? =[




Chrissstrahl

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#4 10 years ago

oberlerchner123;4750648And Chriss before you complain about bad behave look at yourself. Telling a 10 year old: 'You f***ing a**shole you are not welcome on my server.' and kicking him. --- I think its sad that you stop working on Co-Op, i like Co-Op, but with what you did today, i can sure say i wont miss you on EF2.[/quote]

1. If he's 10 years old he's not suppose to play ef2 it's esbr rating 17+ in Germany it's 16+. 2. This dude keept on crashing my server spawning and after 3 warnings I kicked him and he reconnected and continued, and did not stop so I got upset and told him to leave my server, after this I passworded the server. It's logical that you don't be nice to somebody who terrors you for about an hour while you are busy with code and then your server crash cuz this dude spawned stuff which isn't meant to be spawned or votes for maps which are not yet co-op ready. 3. Your qoute does not legitimate your behave. 4. What I did is to talk about thinks like this, everyone else is just standing arround and doing nothing, it's a sickness of this generation I belive, look how inactive the forums are! 5. I've been in this community since the game was relased, and I tread ppl as they desrve it, if you behave like a**h*** I handle you as such. I know I'm not allways mr perfect guy, but I wouden't go so far as you guys. 6. Stop faking my name in STVEF I don't play this game so what's the point anyway ?

Here is the log which leads to the Issue we are supose to talk about in this thread: ^4Hawkeye^8: ich seh das chattsymbol net ^4Hawkeye^8: ich will mich nur schnell an so nen chattfragger/noob raechen dauert ne runde ^4Hawkeye^8: dann komm ich auf dich zurueck ^4Hawkeye^8: also bis denne ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8: bis denne ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8: oder nicht ^4Hawkeye^8 connected ^4Hawkeye^8 entered the game SV_GetChallenge: New challenge added : -301976389 ^4Oberlerchner^8 connected ^4Oberlerchner^8 entered the game ^4Hawkeye^8: so ich steh frei sonnenscheinchen ^4Oberlerchner^8: val kommt sicher gleich hinten nach lol | I'm sure val will come too soon ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8: ????????????????????????????????????????????? ^4Oberlerchner^8: hi ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: dann kriegt der stress mit sahne oben drauf | then he'll get stress with cream ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8: hi ober gesundes neues ^4Hawkeye^8: und....rostzwiebeln ^4Oberlerchner^8: danke dir auch ... rostzwiebel? ^4Hawkeye^8: bah rostzwiebeln da ziehts ------ Server Initialization ------ Server: dm_ctf_voy1 AAS shutdown. Closed log botlib.log Opened log botlib.log ------- BotLib Initialization ------- loaded weapons.c loaded items.c loaded syn.c loaded rnd.c loaded match.c loaded rchat.c ------------ Map Loading ------------ trying to load maps/dm_ctf_voy1.aas loaded maps/dm_ctf_voy1.aas found 116 level items ------------------------------------- 25 bots parsed 0 arenas parsed Loading level strings for level: dm_ctf_voy1 AAS initialized. ----------------------------------- Hitch warning: 778 msec frame time $$ServerName$$: score ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8 entered the game $$ServerName$$: score ^4Hawkeye^8 entered the game $$ServerName$$: score ^4Oberlerchner^8 entered the game ^0[^1L.o.W^0]^1Spartan117^8: verdammt ich muss weg schoenen tag die damen ^4Hawkeye^8: damen??? ^4Oberlerchner^8: es nicht nicht Mittwoch lol ^4Hawkeye^8: ja ^4Oberlerchner^8: nervig... ^4Hawkeye^8: ping 145 ^4Hawkeye^8: laedst du was runter? ^4Oberlerchner^8: nein ^4Hawkeye^8: ruckler du ^4Oberlerchner^8: geht die radgun auch? ^4Hawkeye^8: ne ^4Oberlerchner^8: brauch mal einen tester lol ^4Hawkeye^8: die wand SV_GetChallenge: New challenge added : 280152902 Val connected ^4Hawkeye^8: oder die rostzwiebel Val entered the game ^4Hawkeye^8: LOL!!! ^4Oberlerchner^8: hab ich doch gesagt | I told you so ^4Hawkeye^8: da ist deine wziebel | here is your onion ^4Hawkeye^8: komm den machen wir platt | come let us take him down ^4Oberlerchner^8: ist es nicht eine sie? | Isn't he a she ? Val $$MOD_ASSULT_RIFLE$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: mir wurst | I don't care ^4Hawkeye^8: lieber es | better call her 'it' Val $$MOD_VAPORIZE$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: noob Val $$MOD_ASSULT_RIFLE$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol Val $$MOD_ASSULT_RIFLE$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_FIRESWORD$$ Val ^4Oberlerchner^8: mist | damn ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: LOL ^4Oberlerchner^8: du hasst mich von hinter getroffen ^4Hawkeye^8: DER NERVT | HES SO ANNOYING ^4Oberlerchner^8: hinten ^4Hawkeye^8: ja und? Val $$MOD_SUICIDE$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8: ... SV_GetChallenge: New challenge added : -73335206 ^0Spectator^8 connected ^4Hawkeye^8: rennst doch staendig rein wenn der schuss ausn rohr is ^4Oberlerchner^8: kill steal der anderen art lol ^0Spectator^8 entered the game ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Oberlerchner^8: hey das war ich lol ^4Hawkeye^8: lol Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: au Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: rennt der vor meiner nase rum Val: are you two a group? ^0Spectator^8: seid stolz jemanden mit einem 400 ping zu zeit zu rippen wa | You are proud to rip someone with 400 ping eh ^0Spectator^8: yes they are ^4Hawkeye^8: ... ^0Spectator^8: they are heros Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^0Spectator^8: me and u team up val Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: ohkacke ^4Hawkeye^8: ober vorsicht! Val $$MOD_SUICIDE$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8: hab schon bemerkt der name is schwarz... ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: chattfargger auch Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_VAPORIZE$$ ^0Spectator^8 Val $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: chattfragger ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol Val: i cant take it,cya ^4Hawkeye^8: yes run ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: her fault if she keeps chatfragging lol ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: hehe ^4Oberlerchner^8: danke hatte nur mer 92 health lol ^4Hawkeye^8: team blau gewinnt | team blue winns ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: beide namen blau ^4Oberlerchner^8: wir brauchen einen TDM server ^4Oberlerchner^8: ist viel besser als DM ^4Hawkeye^8: lol wnenn ich hosten koennte ^0Spectator^8 connected ^0Spectator^8 entered the game ^4Hawkeye^8: du koenntest drauf zocken aber ^4Hawkeye^8: wenn ich reinkomm ^4Hawkeye^8: zerlegts meinen server ^4Oberlerchner^8: wie den das? ^4Hawkeye^8: ka ^4Hawkeye^8: 3sek nach dem join ^4Hawkeye^8: kommt das lag zeichen ^4Hawkeye^8: und hoert nicht mehr auf ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: nervigen teleporter lol ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: uff ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: ich glaub dem hats nicht gepasst und jetzt hat er seinen groBen bruder gehollt | I think he didn't like it so he send his big brother ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: der ist genauso klein :) | He is exactly the same little ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: reines glueck ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: der hoert nicht auf in die teleporter zu rennen lol ^4Oberlerchner^8: danke... ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^4Hawkeye^8 $$MOD_SUICIDE$$ ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_SWORD$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: haha ^4Oberlerchner^8: lol ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_VAPORIZE$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: ^lol ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Oberlerchner^8 ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ^4Hawkeye^8: im blind feuern bin ich der groesste ^4Oberlerchner^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^0Spectator^8 ^0Spectator^8 $$MOD_EXPLOSION$$ ^4Hawkeye^8 ^4Oberlerchner^8: der rennt anderend in die teleporter... ^4Hawkeye^8: das koennt ich den ganzen tag machen :) | I could do that the entire day ^4Oberlerchner^8: nervig | anoying ^0Spectator^8: you guys suck ^4Hawkeye^8: lol ------ Server Initialization ------

[quote=The Tenth Doctor;4750670]Chriss, aside from the incident on the server that you have screenshots from, what other factors have made you decide to leave? =[

Such things are happening almost every day in ef2, this is not the community I grow up with, I don't see the point to make a Mod for ppls like this. I don't work for ppl like that...

So many ppl have reported bad behave latly, I'm sick of it getting messages of ppl who used to play the game telling me how stupid I am to mod for this game. I've been admin 3 years of the ef2 leauge so MANY players do have my messenger contacts.

Every week ppl stop playing this game more and more, It's pointless, I try since over two years to attract players to the game, and then things like this happen. Can you imagine how much time we all spend to keep the game going, how much the servers costs, do they believe they are for free?

All I want is a little more respect as we all should have for each other, but instead ppl are trying to crash servers and slow down every development this community could reach in positive means.

That's what's pissing me off, I've been playing the game for so long time, and then I went to modding to give back something to the community. And now ppl are destroying the work I do, what is a stupid co-op without players ? What are all the mods without anyone playing them ? :barf:




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#5 10 years ago

It would really be sad to see you leave the EF2 community based on other player's actions, and whilst there arn't many regular EF2 players, it would be a shame for you to give up on the Co-op mod, to which you've put in a lot of work.




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#6 10 years ago

I was going to watch this from the sidelines for a bit but I somehow feel I need to intervene.

This is an unsettling development but I would like to have a say on the matter at hand.

First of all. Bad behaviour is indictative of FPS gaming, especially multiplayer. Anytime I go on XBox live I get abused but I couldn't care less. Once I even had to fight against 7 higher ranked players in Halo 3 who were all clan members against me in FFA. Kept getting insults and taunts and getting pushed around yet I still fought on and played.. Just get back up, dust yourself down and keep playing. Now some people might say EF2 is not xbox live and the community is miniscule in comparison but its a matter of principle rather than numbers. Verbal and cyber abuse is just part of Multiplayer..

Secondly, pulling a mod over this is not the way to respond to this issue. You never give up work on a mod over something not related to a mod. I do not understand the motives of pulling mods over issues that are not that important.. That is correct, I said not important - lets be really honest about this, this behaviour is rampant everywhere on online gaming, its not the be all and end all. Therefore we should act accordingly to counter it. Conducting a scorched earth policy is certainly not the way to act/react to this.

Chris you do the mod for your own benefit in my opinion, most genuine modders do.. Doing it for others is the wrong approach and I have been modding several games for years to know what I am talking about. the Co-op mod is yours and yours alone. A few bad apples do not spoil a garden

Lastly, the only true way to rectify this issue that has arisen is to contact the administrator of this server and to speak with them about it. If they are unwilling to remedy the situation then simply do not use his/her server again.

Simple as that really.




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#7 10 years ago

Chriss. Listen it's me Data, your friend. I normally don't honor these sort of threads but you honored mine when I made one so I'll honor yours. Listen we all know the way the community is I do almost as well as you do. It is a dying community a sensitive community. But it still has a chance. It is people like you and me that can give it that chance. We understand the game we understand the community. We know there is still a chance. But us doing things like this is not going to help. If anything it will make EF die off even faster. Now I'm not going to take sides in this battle. It is not my way. But I'm trying to be your voice of reason here like you have been to me. You once told me in an email a long while ago that I should not worry about what the others say. I should instead worry about whether or not I liked what I was doing what I cared about. I send that advice back to you. Don't worry about what someone says or does. They are not truly your friends if they disrespect you. What they say or do is their bad decision it does not reflect on you. We are all just taking this all too seriosly. Do what I do just take a break for a while relax think, ponder what you want to do. If you really don't enjoy working on EF then I would say you should not do it. But if you do keep doing it with every ability you have. Because in the end it does not matter about the others. What matters is you.




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#8 10 years ago
IKS;4750713Lastly, the only true way to rectify this issue that has arisen is to contact the administrator of this server and to speak with them about it. If they are unwilling to remedy the situation then simply do not use his/her server again.

hi i'm the host of the server where this incident happened(excuse my strange nick this account was created years ago, in EF2 i use the name [SFCHH]Dr. Breen)

your idea about asking the host to solve this situation (perhaps by banning these player's) is great and would work in almost any game except this one. the only thing i could do was to set up a password, but that would also keep regular players away which don't know the password yet, and of course i can kick them when i'am on.

in other words there's nothing i can do against them without affecting other players as well (except if you can give me a usful hint, does ef2 have some kind of hidden punkbuster?)




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#9 10 years ago

@ 9. I wish so but if there is I am not aware of it. Another option is to set up a site or portion of a site where people could register for your server therfore recieving the password for it. This way if improper actions were taken then the user taking them could be removed from the site and the password could be changed. I know it's a bit extreme but sometimes it takes extreme measures to fix this sort of problem.




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#10 10 years ago
data079;4750876@ 9. I wish so but if there is I am not aware of it. Another option is to set up a site or portion of a site where people could register for your server therfore recieving the password for it. This way if improper actions were taken then the user taking them could be removed from the site and the password could be changed. I know it's a bit extreme but sometimes it takes extreme measures to fix this sort of problem.

Or people can just ingore the punks and brats who do this stuff. Strangely that works too.