I just watched Saw III last night and I'm somewhat a fan of the Saw series...
Awhile back I was on another forum and joined in on a thread from ranting and arguing artsy-intellectual movie lovers that did nothing but bash the series and on that note all horror/thriller/and suspence films.
They just couldnt understand why someone would go see such "trash" and couldnt comprehend the idea of going to see movies like those or stupid action flicks like Rush Hour just for fun...
While I take in pride in my ability to tell whats a good movie and whats a bad movie I still love to watch those films that just have over the top and gratuitous violence and gore...it's something that most people love to see in movies, games, and whatever else.
The first Saw gained popularity and praise for it's originality and engaging twists and turns, yet the 2nd one was sub-par to what the first one gave us...the third installment was somewhere between the two and I found was actually entertaining and just when I thought I had the surprise ending figured out...things got turned upside down...
So what I'm asking here is your opinions on the Saw series, slasher/horror films in general, and just people's love for gore and violence in media forms...
I think the love of death and pain is just something that's human nature...you yourself may never kill someone or take pleasure in stabbing someone to death but you may get sheer joy out of watching someone else pretend to get shot in the face or actually shooting someone in the face through a video game. While I'm not saying the average person surrounds themselves with violence and death it's human nature to flirt with it and explore it every now and again.
The Romans had REAL people kill and die for their entertainment...now we're more "civilized" and just watch pretend people kill each other...
Well, I'm no fan extreme violence and gore. But I can tell you that despite the pleasure I take in inflicting pain and death in videogames, or watching it happen through other forms of entretainment, I will by no means display the same feeling in a real situation, where real lives hang in the balance. Behind the keyboard I'm a killing machine, but I'm just as frail as an average person in real life. You see, they are like two different worlds, and only one of them you should take seriously. I am well aware of the impossibility of accomplishing in reality what happens in the virtual or cinematic world. I just call it "entretainment", a way to briefly escape the dull, mundane conventions of real life. And of course, I am criticized by my parents ocasionally for liking this sort of entretainment (mainly playing WWII videogames, and I can see more of it coming now that I got Kill Bill for my b-day). I just can't quite explain why the superficial sadism. Anyways, regarding film, I understand what you mean and I also have a hoot when I watch elaborate violence in movies. I smile and giggle at, for instance in the Kill Bill movies, when people get their limbs hacked off and blood shoots out like a hose. Or when people get their eyeballs plucked out. Or when the Bride is just staring down at the bloodsoaked, disemboweled, amputated, moaning misery of 80-something people she has just singlehandedly left in her wake (quite dramatic too). These films too have their fair share of twists that leave you shocked. The same can be said for Pulp Fiction and the like. However, that doesn't mean that I don't take realistic movies like SPR or the Pianist seriously. I also like intellectual movies, documentaries and anything I can learn a great deal from. It depends on its quality. I have not, however, seen any Saw movie, so I can't tell you my view on that one in particular.
I loved the saw movies not for their violence but for their storylines. Yes, the gore was a draw, but I wouldn't do that or like that in real life
No, I liked saw for 2 reasons. First, it had an awesome storyline with twist and turns everywhere. Second, it had the best villian ever. Jigsaw is a genious, and it's actually interesting to see what "games" he comes up with. I'd rate him as the best horror movie villian ever. He's not a anti-social psyco killer, but just a man with a good idea but a very warped way of teaching people his idea.
I liked Saw 2 better than the first. At first, it seemed like a teenage horror flick (like Scream), but as it progressed, it became what Saw 1 was and was a unique movie. I haven't seen Saw 3 yet, but I would love to see it.
No, it's the intelligence and uniqueness that drew me to love the Saw movies, not the gore and violence. Right now, the Saw movies are my top 2 favorite horror flicks ever (with Saw 2 in the lead).
The Saw movies do have great plot twists and stories, and Jigsaw is an amazing killer (since he technically doesnt actually kill someone) but I really didnt think the 2nd movie was any good...I mean...I own it and like to watch it but I still think that it's not as great as the very first installment.
I do like them for their uniqueness and story but the gore is another factor that I really like the films for...simply...I LOVE GORE. I would never ever actually bring myself to take someone I dont know and torture them to death using maniacal tools and traps but I still just plainly love seeing someone get slip open while blood flies all over the place....so Saw pretty much delivers on all of those fronts and thats why I like them so much.
The Romans had each other, we have GTA & Manhunt. As for Saw, I've only seen the first one, I do want to see the other two though. Though someone can tell me, is anything said of the first two 'survivors' in the first film?
Use spoiler tags please.
Though someone can tell me, is anything said of the first two 'survivors' in the first film?
The only survivor I know of was Amanda. I don't know what happened to the doc. His fate was not told in Saw 2, but Ryan (the other guy that was lock in the bathroom with the doc) was.
Anyway, his games aren't meant to kill people. They only kill if they lose. Unfortunately (as with the doctor and that (I think it was a) public informant), you sometimes have to inflict crippling permanent damage to yourself in order to win.
There is gore, but it's not over-the-top. That's not what makes the movies great. It's the storylines and the characters that make the movies great.
I don't know what happened to the doc
Yeah they actually dont explain that too much in saw 3 either but theres something that you're told in saw 3 that probably is meant to make you assume something
in response to your second spoiler...
in response to your second spoiler...Spoiler: Showthey tell/show you in the movie saw 2 that he puts the key behind his eyes when he's knocked out...meaning that jigsaw was actually able to pull the eye out of the heads enough to get the key back there...the guy was unconscience so there was no pain on his part at the time...when he's awake tho he has no choice...doing it with the knife or doing it how jigsaw did it would require a lot of pain...
Yeah. I saw that part.