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Flash525

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#11 11 years ago
ShadowSteelDragon;4932306Ironhide and Ratchet didn't have major roles in the first movie, either.[/QUOTE]Compared to the first movie, Ironhide and Ratchet didn't get half as much screen time. In the first movie, they spoke a fair bit, and were on the scene more. In this movie, we only really saw them at the start (interacting) and at the end. They were pretty much replaced by the twins.
Anson357;4932415Since this is for people who saw the movie, I see no need for spoiler tags, just saying.
A good point. [QUOTE=Anson357;4932415]I also think they should've formerly introduced the new Autobots too, but when I saw Optimus Sky Dive from a plane, transform mid fall, and utter "Autobots, I'm in pursuit," then transform back into truckmode on a highway, all was forgiven.

The introduction thing was one of the major hits with me. I loved how the autobots were introduced in the first one, with Optimus stating who they were, and what they were (weapons expert etc). Suffice to say, I didn't like the fact that these new autobots weren't introduced. Sideswipe, Acree and Jolt. Acree and Sideswipe had a bit of action, and a little speech, though not much. As for Jolt, I read up a lot on him, how he was full of electric and loved close combat (and some electric whips), yet we only actually saw him at the end when helping Optimus, and to top that, he never actually spoke. Was a wasted oppertunity I think. And according to some sites, Acree is 'dead' though that was never actually confirmed in the film. In the first movie, when Jazz was killed, it was made obvious. In RotF, it wasn't actually stated whether Acree made it or not. If she was killed, they should have said "we've lost Acree" or something to that extent.




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#12 11 years ago

I saw the movie just yesterday, and I was looking forward to see it with great anticipation, so it was evident that the movie will fail my anticipations. We should think about the movie as a standalone piece, not like a sequel, cuz the movie is a fail in the latter case, imo. But c'mon, it wouldn't be fair with the movie makers to expect a movie in the same qaulity both in storyline and action as the prequel. It's a tendency that the sequel has much harder time to convince the ppl, it needs to exceed the previous part in all categories. It's simply a no-go.

My concerns about the movie in overall: I had the feeling during all the time that the creators couldn't decide what to cut out and what to leave in the final version. Many scenes were totally unnecessary and a waste of time, stealing time for those scenes which deserved much more highlights. Such as that ridiculous Wheelie vs Megan Fox's leg moment.

Second, the whole storytelling didn't have a dynamism at all. Sometimes it was like standing in one point, without any advancing, and sometimes i felt myself out of pic cuz I couldn't follow the events. (Ok, due to the fast camera cuts, mainly, but the 1st part has fast scenes too) All in all, i couldn't feel the balance of the scenes, like I was watching to two different movies, one was an action packed 'you-don't-even-know-where-to-look' and the other was an 'oh dear, for how long will that scene last?' in an utterly crappy mixing.

That part where Sam's mom got high was one of the latter kind of moments, it was totally unnecessarily long.

How secure the military base was, is frakking ridiculous too. That guy at the perimeter guarding console recognized an intruded. Ok, so what? It was the military's best response time to move up to the already stolen All Sparks fragment? And no auto or controlled turrets to secure the outside area?

That wiseguy from presidency was indeed an idiot. Totally agree with Crisissuit3 on that matter. One word: Precaution. To make things sure. It doesn't require much of an IQ value to know every secured lines can be hacked. But the movie gave a pefectly spot on asnwer on why this guy wasn't aware of the risk factor: the usual American egoism. 'We'll win this war just like every others.' No comment :rolleyes:

But it's not about that question, I wouldn't like to hurt the feelings of ppl from the States, please don't take it a personal offence.

Ratchet was indeed left out from the whole beginning (half of the movie, in fact). Ironhide has some minor roles here and there, but the highlight was obviously on Optimus and Bumblebee.

And why did Starscream only draw circles on the sky around Sam and Mikela in the desert? He was flying around like being on an airshow, in nice, wide circles. Was he waiting for the boss to come and hear 'You've failed me yet again, Starscream' ? :)

To moving on the characters: The number of involved (and 'unintroduced') robots made them feel like cheap mass products imo, if you get what I mean. Not like something unique for sure. The story took place on Earth, not on Cybertron, for frak's sake, a giant robot is not so common around here. (yet=p)

Those twin/brother robots. (Mudflap and Skid?) Meh. The first thing I was thinking about: Jar Jar Binks. Enough to say, he was annoying character, way with way too much appearence. Just like with those two robots.

The roommate of Sam was also very annoying, without any important role in the storyline. Oh wait! He 'introduced' that ex S-7 guy to Sam...What a major role...:p sure it was impossible to get 'Rambo' in the picture any other ways:lol:

ok, these are my negative thoughts (more or less) about the movie.

Oh wait! The music! :lol: Well, apart from a few new soundtracks cut in for a few seconds, i've heard way too many soundtracks from the prev part. The soundtrack of the movie was much like a copy-pasta to me :(

The forest fight was absulutely well done, what a heroic battle! Maybe next time I'll write down the my positive thoughts too :nodding:




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#13 11 years ago

Who was the giant robot on top of the pyramid?




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#14 11 years ago

THe one that got shot by the Railgun?

Thats, name quite suiting, The Devastator.


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#15 11 years ago

I thought Megan fox was quite useless in this movie. She played a badass hot chic in the first one, and in this second one, she really didnt do anything except run slow mo with a spagetti strap top (which looked awesome), play the stereotypical "no sam come back to me" desperate girl, and stay remarkably clean running thru the desert at the end.

Wonder what they will do for the third movie. Was there anything badass at the end credits or after them? I left right at the end to sneak into the hangover.




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#16 11 years ago

Admiral_Antilles;4932952THe one that got shot by the Railgun?

Thats, name quite suiting, The Devastator.

Yeah that it. Thanks.




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#17 11 years ago

Admiral_Antilles;4932310

The airfield is behind the Building, if you pay attention, Jetfire hits the door down and the airfield is through the door. In real life, i have no clue if thats there, but doesnt matter, in the movie it was there for a reason, so what eves.

That airfield isnt there. Thats the Udvar Hazy Air and Space Museum. Its about twenty minutes away from me. The only thing behind it is a parking lot. Not a fuck ton of planes. Although, Jetfire was probably one of my favorite characters in the whole movie. So I dont mind the liberties they took with his locations.

But Mudflap and Skid. Oh god. I hated them. I hated them with a fiery burning passion. I was so happy when they almost died. I dont even care that it isnt in spoilers. They dont deserve spoilers.




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#18 11 years ago

The Body Popper;4932971That airfield isnt there. Thats the Udvar Hazy Air and Space Museum. Its about twenty minutes away from me. The only thing behind it is a parking lot. Not a fuck ton of planes. [/QUOTE] I was gonna ask about that...they seemed to be in a civilized area with grass and trees, and then they are in an entirely different climate.

[QUOTE=The Body Popper;4932971] But Mudflap and Skid. Oh god. I hated them. I hated them with a fiery burning passion. I was so happy when they almost died. I dont even care that it isnt in spoilers. They dont deserve spoilers.

The Transformers equivelent of Jar Jar. Fucking Micheal Bay, fucks up megan foxs' character to add 2 jar-jars.

I wanted more rail gun and I wanted an AC-130 spectre in there, like in the first movie.




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#19 11 years ago
Nitegriffin;4932612We should think about the movie as a standalone piece, not like a sequel, cuz the movie is a fail in the latter case, imo. But c'mon, it wouldn't be fair with the movie makers to expect a movie in the same qaulity both in storyline and action as the prequel. It's a tendency that the sequel has much harder time to convince the ppl, it needs to exceed the previous part in all categories. It's simply a no-go.

I think the movie fails more in the former case as opposed to the latter considering all the things left out in this film that would have you confused had you not seen the first film, things that just wouldn't work had there not been a first film, or things that would add to the already jumbledness of things had there not been a first film. In the last instance, a good example is Scorponok's last minute appearance. With the first movie there, you knew he wasn't dead, and that he was roaming the deserts in Africa somewhere for 2 years, it isn't so far fetched that he could've made it from Katar to Egypt in a matter of years. Had the first movie not been there, Scorponok would've just been another Decepticon that got in there at the las minute and posed no relevance.

I agree with you Nitegriffin, the roomate guy got annoying really quickly once the explosions started happening, and I've already stated the excessive humping by both the dogs and our little Decepticon friend was taking the already tired innuendo a little too far.

I disagree with Megan being useless in this film, though her role did change a varying degree. Instead of being the badass chick, she was the dependent/dependable girlfriend, which makes since to me. And I've already expressed my interest with her rack taking center stage in the last half hour of the movie, so :naughty:.




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#20 11 years ago

NiteStryker;4933129[...] I wanted more rail gun and I wanted an AC-130 spectre in there, like in the first movie.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that railgun was definitelly interesting, it offered much more possibilities than it finally got. But the movie could end up sooner with a good 20 mins if they fire that gun again =p. Anyone else had the railgun tank from Crysis in mind?:) It was funny how this ex S-7 guy ordered that fire command...I don't think it would happen that easy even if an evident Armageddon were on stake :cool: 'Don't care about who am I just fire! Think about zillions of lifes will be saved!' oh great reasoning :lol: I supposed Ac-130 Spectres will arrive on the scene too! But it could have ended up cutting out the exactly same part of the prequel, just like the moviemakers did with the inbounding Predator UAV cut. (from aft view, splattering dust on the camera as it flies into the viewing angle)

Oh, and I found interesting how Optimus disabled that doomsday machine with a single shot...If it weren't placed inside the pyramid, I bet the whole machine would have exploded into microscopic pieces. :) Also, he seemed a bit overpowered even with the 'heritage' of Jetfire imo. The Fallen was owned pretty soon...Maybe if producers didn't waste time with annoying scenes, they could have focused a longer final battle.

Just to continue mentioning questionable parts, from the very moment Optimus got pwned in the forest, I instantly assumed he'll be resurrected by the All Sparks fragment, which was available at that time. (the timeline of the movie is starting to blur in my mind, but I do remember, one of the Sparks fragments was at hand, right?:uhm:)

The other interesting part was the reactivation of Megatron. I thought the cold and great pressure makes it impossible even for the robots to reach him..:confused: At least according to the end of the 1st part. And the area was only guarded by one single Carrier and a submarine?:uhm: I thought CV/CVA groups are always stalking in full strenght...Destroyers, supporters, mulitple submarines, etc.

Anson357;4933133I think the movie fails more in the former case as opposed to the latter considering all the things left out in this film that would have you confused had you not seen the first film, things that just wouldn't work had there not been a first film, or things that would add to the already jumbledness of things had there not been a first film. [...] Had the first movie not been there, Scorponok would've just been another Decepticon that got in there at the las minute and posed no relevance.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't make much of a difference in that way either, if you ask me. :lol: And Scorponok would only be one more Decepticon being unintroduced =p.

[QUOTE=Anson357;4933133]I agree with you Nitegriffin, the roomate guy got annoying really quickly once the explosions started happening, and I've already stated the excessive humping by both the dogs and our little Decepticon friend was taking the already tired innuendo a little too far.

:nodding: [QUOTE=Anson357;4933133]I disagree with Megan being useless in this film, though her role did change a varying degree. Instead of being the badass chick, she was the dependent/dependable girlfriend, which makes since to me. And I've already expressed my interest with her rack taking center stage in the last half hour of the movie, so :naughty:.

:naughty: Tho I found it the most ridiculous how a chick like her (overrated or not) could be that dependent for a guy like our little hero :lol: The 1st part offered a reason at least: did you see her shining eyes upon the all new Camaro? =p