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Mr. Matt Advanced Member

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#221 9 years ago

Stargate Universe suffered from a number of issues that, had they not manifested already, they would have done after a couple more seasons anyway.

First and foremost, many of its plotlines are heavily convoluted. To the point of absurdity. This isn't unusual in science fiction, but it was pronounced in SGU.

Secondly, it suffered from Farscape Syndrome. Those convoluted plotlines were dragged out for a long time, and even after they'd seemingly been done and dusted, they'd suddenly pop back up again half a series later. People just tuning in half-way through a season, or people who stopped watching and fancied returning to it at a later date, wouldn't have understood what the hell was going on if they didn't go back and watch everything they'd missed, and this would have gotten worse as the series progressed. As the show goes on, more viewers leave and cannot return without a significant time commitment, and the show dies.

Series like 24 and Lost can have long running plots like this, because they're not science fiction. At least not overtly. Your average audience will not regularly tune into sci-fi shows like Stargate in a dedicated fashion, however - it's still a niché genre - so an episodic format, like Stargate used to be, is better for grabbing their attention.

And lastly, but not least, quite a few Stargate fans expecting more of the same were gutted when SGU came on, and it was clearly an attempt to cash-in on this new trend in TV - dark, gritty and heavily character driven. TV producers think it's cool and trendy to do this, and viewers think they're smart for watching it, but it's not and they're not, especially if the writing isn't up to snuff, and certainly not if the progenitor was the exact opposite of this.

SGU had its moments. Occasionally. After several poorly-written (but disguised with dim lighting and the occasional moody montage) episodes of clichéd characterisation and build-up. But it wasn't Stargate, and at the end of the day, it wasn't particularly good. The writers were better off sticking to what they were best at, but the producers wanted to make it cool and dark and gritty and moody and Twilighty instead.

Hopefully, SGU will serve as a lesson to other IP owners hoping to turn their property into the next BSG (which got even more convoluted towards the end than SGU was doing).

stargatep90;5546949I read it would have been the start of the Earth-Romulan War and such if Enterprise continued.

It would have been the Trekkies vs B&B war if Enterprise had continued. It was a complete and utter failure commercially and critically. They drove off the old Star Trek fans, those who remained after Voyager anyway, and nobody outside of the old Star Trek fans was particularly interested in watching Star Trek regularly, if at all.

That's one of the reasons why the new film happened. They wanted to rebrand Star Trek as something more like Star Wars - something that people wouldn't be embarrassed to admit seeing to their friends. We ended up with a nonsense special-effects action extravaganza - Star Trek is now a credible summer blockbuster.

That's not a good thing. That's a dumb thing. Think about that for a second. Star Trek is now on the same level as Transformers.




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#222 9 years ago

[QUOTE=Mr. Matt;5547696That's one of the reasons why the new film happened. They wanted to rebrand Star Trek as something more like Star Wars - something that people wouldn't be embarrassed to admit seeing to their friends. We ended up with a nonsense special-effects action extravaganza - Star Trek is now a credible summer blockbuster.

That's not a good thing. That's a dumb thing. Think about that for a second. Star Trek is now on the same level as Transformers.[/QUOTE]

That's part of the reason I'm nervous about the supposed Star Trek sequel next year. It has a lot to live up to (coming from someone that loved the 2009 film), and if it flops, I'm not sure what's going to become of Star Trek.




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#223 9 years ago

Mr. Matt;5547696Those convoluted plotlines were dragged out for a long time, and even after they'd seemingly been done and dusted, they'd suddenly pop back up again half a series later.[/quote]You are right with what you say, though I feel that Stargate needed this. SG-1 and Atlantis simply weren't doing the desired job that the producers had hoped for them; least Atlantis didn't. SG-1 was stopped because it had ran its course, and they wanted to focus on Atlantis.

Universe was different, and I think, deep down, that's what SG needed; something different. It's no different from BSG (the new series) or the latest season of Torchwood. It's a single story spread across an entire season, with a few 'filler' episodes.

Mr. Matt;5547696Series like 24 and Lost can have long running plots like this, because they're not science fiction. At least not overtly.[/quote]Heh, I watched Lost (still despise the ending). Suffice to say, if an episode or two was missed, you wouldn't have been able to follow suit. One skipped episode, and you miss some very important answers.

Mr. Matt;5547696It would have been the Trekkies vs B&B war if Enterprise had continued.[/quote]It might have driven old fans away, but it kept a lot of them around too, and by all accounts, gained a few. The problem with Enterprise is that it re-wrote everything we know as 'Trek'. The simple solution here was to think of it as events from a different universe. It's that simple. No different from Abrams' Trek film.

[QUOTE=Mr. Matt;5547696]That's one of the reasons why the new film happened. They wanted to rebrand Star Trek as something more like Star Wars - something that people wouldn't be embarrassed to admit seeing to their friends.

If you truly believe that people think it's okay to be a fan of Star Wars, and not the older Trek, then you are mistaken. :nodding:

[QUOTE=Mr. Matt;5547696]We ended up with a nonsense special-effects action extravaganza - Star Trek is now a credible summer blockbuster.[QUOTE=Totes McTurner;5547751]That's part of the reason I'm nervous about the supposed Star Trek sequel next year. It has a lot to live up to (coming from someone that loved the 2009 film), and if it flops, I'm not sure what's going to become of Star Trek.

Has the 2012 film actually been given the green light yet? I know they want to do it (they want to make a trilogy) but last I read on the matter, nothing had been made solid.

Either way, you're right. If the 2nd Abrams' Trek film flops, that's it. Trek's destroyed. That is, until another genius comes along and reboots it again.




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#224 9 years ago

Ok, I love the shows/movies and what it's about but I'm not too much in the knowledge about every single thing like most fans are.